Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Titus]

I mean... He also said that he may or may not be able to clear Drixx on being the godfather and then never brought it up again and didn't actually claim, but yeah, that's the rough gist of what happened.

Why is a Jingle cop a claim worth extremely protecting? Second, where are his results?

[Morning Tweet]

I mean... He also said that he may or may not be able to clear Drixx on being the godfather and then never brought it up again and didn't actually claim, but yeah, that's the rough gist of what happened.

lol i forgot that part. I am very regretful Drixx was who we chose. I wonder if I could have swapped it if I had tried

[Bingle]

Farside town N1, GE (Ircher) town N2.

I was only two shot and didn't really fight my lynch yesterday. Didn't claim the two shot in the hopes of being put in a trap.

[Titus]

I mean... He also said that he may or may not be able to clear Drixx on being the godfather and then never brought it up again and didn't actually claim, but yeah, that's the rough gist of what happened.

lol i forgot that part. I am very regretful Drixx was who we chose. I wonder if I could have swapped it if I had tried

Who was Drixx's result?

[Morning Tweet]

Bingle's claim itself isnt worth extremely protecting. However, if we mislynch its game over. So every townie needs to be not lynched today

It's still feasible that Bingle could be scum I suppose. But I would prefer the other options

[Morning Tweet]

Drixx had a non investigative role. He could force other players to make choices in games the way he wants.

[Morning Tweet]

Dave still hasnt told us who he's investigated, despite claiming yesterday...

[Bingle]

When the point of my approach is to avoid revealing role information at all, it's kinda hard to do that.
If I had information that someone like

Drixx

for example isn't Jigsaw, it doesn't help with knowing if they're scum or not.
I was

Determined

to not give any clues that I had an important ability until the info was actually useful.
I can perhaps give enough information that someone may be able to confirm the capability, without revealing what else I might know.

Oh, hey. Dave is a rolecop.

[Titus]

Farside town N1, GE (Ircher) town N2.

I was only two shot and didn't really fight my lynch yesterday. Didn't claim the two shot in the hopes of being put in a trap.

Bingle, what do you have to say about my suspicion of you RE: idanyboy?

[davesaz]

Morning Tweet - Escaped a trap, doesn't appear the stated negative consequences are true
Ircher - Gamma was Key holder, said he gave the key to ABR
VaultDweller - IC, Investigator {Bingle did not set N1/N2 traps, BM did not set N2/N3}
Bingle - 2 shot internal affairs, Innos on 2 flipped town right?
Eddie Cane - don't remember if he has claimed
davesaz - Investigation role that can detect godfathers.
Battle Mage - Don't remember claim, escaped

2

traps?, one of which gave 2 NKs
BBmolla - don't remember claim
pisskop - claimed to be trap immune, tried to use this ability to disable 3-person trap, unexpected result that killed the other two town in trap?
Titus (ABR) - ABR claimed "vanilla"
Firebringer - don't remember if there was a claim here

I have used two shots. I get some but not all role information.
Gamma/Ircher role (n1) is called key holder. I don't remember if the specific role has been mentioned.
I was aware that the key gets people out of traps, that it is essentially one shot, and that it can be
passed on.

Drixx role (n2) was Determined. You can find out I knew this by looking for determined in my iso.
I was a little surprised that Drixx never acknowledged it, or at least I didn't see it.
I was aware that the role allowed him to change someone else's action in a multi-player trap.
That seemed like it had both town and scum utility. For example if there were a trap where the players vote who to save and who to die, town could use it to essentially vig scum, where scum could use it to survive. That's the underlying reason I was OK with the drixx lynch but didn't push it myself. I was unsure of my ability to read him on posting. I thought that town!Drixx would either ask me what was up or confront me, either in main thread or hood, and left as much time as possible for that to happen.

Y'all scumreading me have had me in the nice position of being mislynchable enough to not get targeted.
I do have (limited) remaining shots. Same strategy as the TM game, maybe I'll tough it out in the future instead of going bonkers.

As for a solve, I'm working on it. We have to get this right.

[davesaz]

I see it took me long enough to write that, that Bingle finally found the results soft.

[Titus]

Davesaz, who have you checked?

[SirCakez]

Votecount 4.1

Titus (2) - Battle Mage, VaultDweller
Battle Mage (2) - Firebringer, BBmolla
davesaz (1) - Ircher

Not voting (6) - Titus, pisskop, Morning Tweet, davesaz, Eddie Cane, Bingle

(expired on 2020-06-01 14:16:00) remain until day end

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

"Who's that? Talk to me! Talk to me!"

[Bingle]

Everyone and their mother suspects my slot. The page I replaced in was literally 6 people saying "let's not lynch him because claim but he's still probably scum."

I'm reserving judgment on you until you're all the way caught up, but I think it likely that there was only one scum in the small hood based on very basic setup spec.

I honestly haven't looked hard at my slot's vote history, but from the way people talk about it I can believe that it's scummy.

[Morning Tweet]

So dave, can your role detect Jigsaw? Like does this mean Ircher is in fact a key holder and cannot be jigsaw

[Titus]

VOTE: Firebringer

I feel more comfortable with this.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Claims

Morning Tweet
Ircher - Can escape traps, gave ability to ABR.
VaultDweller - Checks whether people have set traps on previous 2 nights, 3 shot. Checked me N2, BM N3.
Bingle - Cop who can only check in hood, 2 shot. Role PM says Jigsaw is a godfather.
davesaz - Softed hard that he's a cop that checks if someone is Jigsaw. Maybe innocent result on Drixx? (God Drixx wagon was awful.)
BBmolla - Confirmed Reporter
pisskop - Breaks out of traps, kills people in trap with him.
Eddie Cane
Battle Mage
Titus
Firebringer

Spoiler: Hoods

Cops

Ircher
VaultDweller
Bingle
Eddie Cane
davesaz

Hood w/ deadscum

Battle Mage
Titus

FBI Hood

Morning Tweet
Firebringer

No Hood

BBmolla
pisskop

Spoiler: Clears

VaultDweller - Town
Ircher - Town or Jigsaw
Battle Mage - Did not trap N1 or N2.
Bingle - Did not trap N1.
Morning Tweet
Eddie Cane
davesaz
BBmolla
pisskop
Titus
Firebringer

{Morning Tweet, Eddie Cane, davesaz, BBmolla, pisskop, Titus, Firebringer} Contains 1-4 scum from a public PoV. I'm going to assume 0-1 erroneous clears for now. Definitely want to lynch outside of the clears. Thinking a little bit more, it would make sense thematically that the one with control of the loudspeakers would be Jigsaw, but I think scum with that role would be too self conscious about it to self confirm immediately. Maybe?

I'm still wigged the fuck out by MT, but I think I'm alone there. Dave needs to firm up his claim and out results. He shouldn't have been allowed to not do that yesterday with the shitty ass soft. We also probably need a full massclaim at this point, especially if we're in likely MYLO.

You might be right about BBMolla flavour-wise. The claim is substantiated, and it seems that scum are given flavour fakeclaims only - we haven't yet seen one flip with a fake role which can be substantiated. However, Jigsaw might be the exception. And I did say aaaages ago, I thought Jigsaw would not be in any hood.

Also worth noting I was at L-3 for quite a while without being lynched. Which suggests at least 1 or 2 of Titus/BBmolla/Firebringer are scum (otherwise they could theoretically have hammered).

Agree with your read on MT, but also agree that we can't be going there today, and it's one to watch for future.

[Eddie Cane]

Everyone and their mother suspects my slot.

I wish this was true. Yesterday getting votes on you was like pulling teeth. It was virtually just myself, GL, and MT, and MT is not pushing you today.

[Titus]

Everyone and their mother suspects my slot. The page I replaced in was literally 6 people saying "let's not lynch him because claim but he's still probably scum."

I'm reserving judgment on you until you're all the way caught up, but I think it likely that there was only one scum in the small hood based on very basic setup spec.

I honestly haven't looked hard at my slot's vote history, but from the way people talk about it I can believe that it's scummy.

No one seems to suspect your slot that's alive.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Firebringer

I feel more comfortable with this.

given the situation, this makes me more comfortable with a Titus-BBmolla pair, and Firebringer just being town, of the early wagonners.

[Bingle]

3413 is a more complete claims post, dave.

[Morning Tweet]

I think you were L-2 BM

Battle Mage >> Pisskop, ABR, BBMolla, Firebringer

[Titus]

VOTE: Firebringer

I feel more comfortable with this.

given the situation, this makes me more comfortable with a Titus-BBmolla pair, and Firebringer just being town, of the early wagonners.

Hmm, what do you have to say about my VCA. Wildly accurate or inaccurate?

[Eddie Cane]

Also worth noting I was at L-3 for quite a while without being lynched. Which suggests at least 1 or 2 of Titus/BBmolla/Firebringer are scum (otherwise they could theoretically have hammered).

And ABR has been l-4 for a significant amount of time as well (with you and mod confirmed town voting). So there actually is most likely a difference between you and ABR, and I don't get MT/others' insistence that that isn't the case. Its been, like, 24+ hours, and I'm pretty sure everyone's been online.

@MT, Piss never voted Battle Mage I don't think. Just pushed there.

[Titus]

What are your thoughts on Firebringer specifically BM?