Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Bingle]

Spoiler: every player who posted on the page I repped in, sans mod.

Youre being run up in high pace bingle and need to fullclaim

I think your slot is extremely mafia. You should full claim with bonus points on how quick you do.

I pretty much agree with you dave yea

Ideally id like to give iDany-Bingie another day and reevaluate. If we mislynch town!idany down the line we got more info too

hia Bingie!

The mod stated there could be multiples, I think? So a CC doesn't automatically mean one is each alignment.

That's not the basis of my hesitation though, un-CC'd isn't essential. Claims just make me stop in general, mostly because of golden rule and hating it when the shoe is on the other foot and people don't stop when I'm the town who trueclaims. My TM game is a perfect example. A CC would reduce that hesitation but would just leave me with a 1v1 to solve.

The "only in the Police hood" thing is an aspect that makes fakeclaim a real possibility for me. If scum needed to eliminate someone from "police" at a critical juncture with a fake guilty it would be the best kind of cover. Plus it's good cover for not investigating scummy people outside that hood. And I certainly don't see town in iDany's posting. I would have said that it's just as likely to be fake as real, but I think we're on the same page there.

VOTE: idanyboy

As a note, most of these are still alive.

Everyone suspected me, no one was willing to vote me because my predecessor claimed cop.

[Titus]

Also worth noting I was at L-3 for quite a while without being lynched. Which suggests at least 1 or 2 of Titus/BBmolla/Firebringer are scum (otherwise they could theoretically have hammered).

And ABR has been l-4 for a significant amount of time as well (with you and mod confirmed town voting). So there actually is most likely a difference between you and ABR, and I don't get MT/others' insistence that that isn't the case. Its been, like, 24+ hours, and I'm pretty sure everyone's been online.

@MT, Piss never voted Battle Mage I don't think. Just pushed there.

I think BM has a decent chance of being scum, but coordinating 4 or 5 votes for a quick hammer is hard.

[Morning Tweet]

Oh I think you're right eddie, PK didnt actually vote

Yeah if BM/Vault/ABR are all town, the game would have ended huh?

[davesaz]

Thanks, I have a (perhaps bad) tendency to type stuff up in the quick reply window, which makes it a lot more difficult to research and write at the same time.

[Morning Tweet]

Coordinating 4 votes would be hard though yeah so I suppose maybe not.

[Battle Mage]

Did nobody else comment on the fact that ABR replaced out, rather than risk getting lynched? Not dissimilar to earlier in the game when he asked to replace out because he was under scrutiny. Pattern?

[Battle Mage]

co-ordinating votes to quick hammer in LyLo as scum is incredibly easy - I literally just won a game as scum doing that.

[SirCakez]

ABR did not commit a tactical replace-out i;e to avoid getting lynched.
Stepping in as to clarify that no site rules were broken.

[Bingle]

So dave, can your role detect Jigsaw? Like does this mean Ircher is in fact a key holder and cannot be jigsaw

Not necessarily. We don't know what Jigsaw's role is named, only that my role and Hectic's role can't see jigsaw. (And VD's, I think?) It could well be that Jigsaw wasn't even informed of his cop immunity since it was a part of our roles, and there's a slight chance Jigsaw is a red herring that isn't even in the game.

[Battle Mage]

ah sorry Mod, I wasn't alleging he'd broken a site rule - merely that the timing didn't look great, on top of everything else. Am sure we had a similar discussion about Danyboy earlier.

[Battle Mage]

Hey Bingle - I definitely suspected you! But never keen to lynch in the cop-hood.

Spoiler: every player who posted on the page I repped in, sans mod.

Youre being run up in high pace bingle and need to fullclaim

I think your slot is extremely mafia. You should full claim with bonus points on how quick you do.

I pretty much agree with you dave yea

Ideally id like to give iDany-Bingie another day and reevaluate. If we mislynch town!idany down the line we got more info too

hia Bingie!

The mod stated there could be multiples, I think? So a CC doesn't automatically mean one is each alignment.

That's not the basis of my hesitation though, un-CC'd isn't essential. Claims just make me stop in general, mostly because of golden rule and hating it when the shoe is on the other foot and people don't stop when I'm the town who trueclaims. My TM game is a perfect example. A CC would reduce that hesitation but would just leave me with a 1v1 to solve.

The "only in the Police hood" thing is an aspect that makes fakeclaim a real possibility for me. If scum needed to eliminate someone from "police" at a critical juncture with a fake guilty it would be the best kind of cover. Plus it's good cover for not investigating scummy people outside that hood. And I certainly don't see town in iDany's posting. I would have said that it's just as likely to be fake as real, but I think we're on the same page there.

VOTE: idanyboy

As a note, most of these are still alive.

Everyone suspected me, no one was willing to vote me because my predecessor claimed cop.

[Morning Tweet]

co-ordinating votes to quick hammer in LyLo as scum is incredibly easy - I literally just won a game as scum doing that.

did you coordinate 4 votes in a large theme game? That could go horribly wrong and wouldnt be that easy to set up

[Titus]

Did nobody else comment on the fact that ABR replaced out, rather than risk getting lynched? Not dissimilar to earlier in the game when he asked to replace out because he was under scrutiny. Pattern?

I didn't sub in specifically because I knew ABR was here. Let's just say ABR is a bully fmpov and takes it personally when he gets wagoned. He makes the game as toxic as possible. Hence why my first post was an apology but I haven't read the entire game.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Firebringer

I feel more comfortable with this.

given the situation, this makes me more comfortable with a Titus-BBmolla pair, and Firebringer just being town, of the early wagonners.

Hmm, what do you have to say about my VCA. Wildly accurate or inaccurate?

You came up with me as a top suspect right? So not particularly accurate - although from a skim, wasn't your analysis mostly just:

"VC1.1

BM looks bad"

?

Apologies if I'm doing a disservice, still catching up. You have all my sympathies for replacing into a very tough spot.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

I feel more comfortable with this.

if ur scum ur better off just bussing Battle Mage here Titus.

[Bingle]

Hey Bingle - I definitely suspected you! But never keen to lynch in the cop-hood.

I know, you just didn't express that on that page.

I think the only one who actually thought I was solidly town yesterday was Irch. Similar to how I was the only one who actually thought Drixx was town.

[Battle Mage]

co-ordinating votes to quick hammer in LyLo as scum is incredibly easy - I literally just won a game as scum doing that.

did you coordinate 4 votes in a large theme game? That could go horribly wrong and wouldnt be that easy to set up

I mean, really, it was Titus who inexplicably referred to "4-5 votes". In reality, I was at -3, so it would only require a further 3 votes. And my game was only a small one, so we did it with 3 people. But it doesn't really matter - the principle is exactly the same, and it's something I expect every half decent scumteam to be agreeing well before LyLo.

[Titus]

Yes, my analysis is largely my conclusions right now. I have an appointment in roughly 30 minutes and then I'll be out the rest of the day.

[Battle Mage]

Hey Bingle - I definitely suspected you! But never keen to lynch in the cop-hood.

I know, you just didn't express that on that page.

I think the only one who actually thought I was solidly town yesterday was Irch. Similar to how I was the only one who actually thought Drixx was town.

Erm dude, I've been saying Drixx was town since like page 20, and never wavered from that.

[Battle Mage]

Yes, my analysis is largely my conclusions right now. I have an appointment in roughly 30 minutes and then I'll be out the rest of the day.

I can't really blame you - it's a tough spot.

[Titus]

co-ordinating votes to quick hammer in LyLo as scum is incredibly easy - I literally just won a game as scum doing that.

did you coordinate 4 votes in a large theme game? That could go horribly wrong and wouldnt be that easy to set up

I mean, really, it was Titus who inexplicably referred to "4-5 votes". In reality, I was at -3, so it would only require a further 3 votes. And my game was only a small one, so we did it with 3 people. But it doesn't really matter - the principle is exactly the same, and it's something I expect every half decent scumteam to be agreeing well before LyLo.

I was basing it off the number of living scum, not the size of any given wagon. Quick hammering gets easier as the wagon size goes up.

Pedit: Hi Fire.

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler: every player who posted on the page I repped in, sans mod.

Youre being run up in high pace bingle and need to fullclaim

I think your slot is extremely mafia. You should full claim with bonus points on how quick you do.

I pretty much agree with you dave yea

Ideally id like to give iDany-Bingie another day and reevaluate. If we mislynch town!idany down the line we got more info too

hia Bingie!

The mod stated there could be multiples, I think? So a CC doesn't automatically mean one is each alignment.

That's not the basis of my hesitation though, un-CC'd isn't essential. Claims just make me stop in general, mostly because of golden rule and hating it when the shoe is on the other foot and people don't stop when I'm the town who trueclaims. My TM game is a perfect example. A CC would reduce that hesitation but would just leave me with a 1v1 to solve.

The "only in the Police hood" thing is an aspect that makes fakeclaim a real possibility for me. If scum needed to eliminate someone from "police" at a critical juncture with a fake guilty it would be the best kind of cover. Plus it's good cover for not investigating scummy people outside that hood. And I certainly don't see town in iDany's posting. I would have said that it's just as likely to be fake as real, but I think we're on the same page there.

VOTE: idanyboy

As a note, most of these are still alive.

Everyone suspected me, no one was willing to vote me because my predecessor claimed cop.

How many pushed you vs pushed iDany and then backed off when you subbed in?

Oh I think you're right eddie, PK didnt actually vote

Yeah if BM/Vault/ABR are all town, the game would have ended huh?

I think BM has a decent chance of being scum, but coordinating 4 or 5 votes for a quick hammer is hard.

co-ordinating votes to quick hammer in LyLo as scum is incredibly easy - I literally just won a game as scum doing that.

Pretty much. I dunno if MS allows discord pinging maf partners but either way, scum who know they're in lylo (should) check the site frequently, and I think every player has posted since the votes have been out.

[Morning Tweet]

ABR's replaceout doesnt strike me as scum indictative, scum is very close to winning the game and i dont think they're fearing BM right now.

Definitely see town!ABR replacing out. Town is having extremely little fun right now, and now we were threatening to lynch ABR for the lose. It's very tempting to throw in the towel so you dont have to play any longer

I think if the pool of {Titus, Ircher, BM, Vault} came together and agreed on a wagon, thatd be pretty appealing

[Firebringer]

Pedit: Hi Fire.

hi Titus.

I townread ur predecessor and automatically don't like ur entrance. How r u?

[Bingle]

Eh. I stopped listening to you when I decided that even if you/ABR weren't TvT it wasn't worth parsing yesterday.