Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[votato]

and nude photos. please send nudes too.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler: how do I look?

[osuka]

1. why did i explain it until now or why wasn't it obvious to me when i made the comment? ill answer both to save time: because i was too embarrassed to admit how stupid that comment was and im not sure why it wasn't obvious to me when i made the comment. i don't really know how to go back in time to point out why i didn't notice something...it just didn't didn't occur to me.

2. ugh, i don't know. when a lot of comments pile up i felt overwhelmed by how much i felt like i needed to respond to and underwhelmed by how little i felt i could add to the analysis.

3. it was just playstyle and articulation. fish was being a dick and she called him out point for point. i was impressed, but have no AI because of that particular comment.

poor attempt at deflection

[osuka]

I won't be lynching Freddie today. Yes there have been some bad posts. Freddie needs to do a better job explaining her thoughts. But i know her well enough that i think i can read her pretty well. Anyone on that wagon when it flips town gets major scum points for not listening to me and backing off. It sucks that brass replaced out. I trusted him and felt like i could work with him. Wave seems off in his own little world. If tuxedo isnt happening today i can compromise on osuka

speaking of bad posts, look

here's one of them

[osuka]

Which reminds me, @Osuka can you explain your read on freddie? All I can find in your ISO is that you called one of her posts bland? Also, are you scumreading formerfish?

i'll get you some post numbers from freddie in a second here, i'm still catching up to the thread.

i'm not sure how i feel about formerfish at the moment. i have thoughts there but im a bit conflicted

[osuka]

i'm not sure how i feel about formerfish at the moment. i have thoughts there but im a bit conflicted

more specifically, he clearly knows how to play the game and that kind of play, in general, is nai. I don't see anything glaring so far but i have to admit to not having delved too deep into his play at this point. regardless, he's a bad lynch d1 because if he is town (and statistically, that's bound to be the case) he's definitely someone i wanna have alive

[osuka]

Okay.

VOTE: Osuka

[osuka]

omegalul what on the planet is going on in tuxedo's head

[Tuxedo Mask]

I find it so weird that people can't follow the very simple evolution of voting and questioning my top scum read. Then after getting answers voting my other scum read who still hasn't answered my questions.

[Tuxedo Mask]

hahahah I was thinking to myself, ironcat reads as town before I realized that's my fucking slot

what a day

Can you explain what you town reading about Ironcat's posts?

gibus does not read mafia right now but I'd love to hear your reasons as to why freddie is town

What do you think of the defenses for Freddie raised? Also can you explain your scum read of Freddie? I see the vote on a post you call scummy, but that was a super early post. Anything else?

[osuka]

Which reminds me, @Osuka can you explain your read on freddie? All I can find in your ISO is that you called one of her posts bland? Also, are you scumreading formerfish?

i'll get you some post numbers from freddie in a second here, i'm still catching up to the thread.

345 is a bad post that

seems

good at first glance. it's not quite iioa but it's very shallow and feels fabricated, almost as if she was forcing herself to form something remotely resembling a natural read

585 is bad wifom. like wifom and bad reasoning had a kid and it was a terrible, terrible post

886 is a shit tier dodge

893 is unnecessarily defensive and clearly uncomfortable

898 is apologetic. the apologetic, almost friendly tone can be found in other posts and it screams "let me be your friend, fellow townie"

937 is full of bad justifications for bad decisions

969 brings back the apologetic tone in full force

[osuka]

hahahah I was thinking to myself, ironcat reads as town before I realized that's my fucking slot

what a day

Can you explain what you town reading about Ironcat's posts?

gibus does not read mafia right now but I'd love to hear your reasons as to why freddie is town

What do you think of the defenses for Freddie raised? Also can you explain your scum read of Freddie? I see the vote on a post you call scummy, but that was a super early post. Anything else?

i completely missed those, sorry about that

in order:

i originally felt like ironcat had a natural progression of reads and a townie-ish tone. you realize i'm in ironcat's slot, right?

i just explained my sr on freddie, if you have any specific questions about it you'll have to elaborate further. if by the freddie defenses you mean freddie's own defenses, they're bad deflections with a fake "haha im clearly town haha sorry for being a newbie townie"

[osuka]

if you mean someone else's defense of freddie, you'll have to point out which one you mean because i might honestly have missed it

[lilith2013]

I find it so weird that people can't follow the very simple evolution of voting and questioning my top scum read. Then after getting answers voting my other scum read who still hasn't answered my questions.

What happened to your scumread on wave/brass slot?

[lilith2013]

Why Lilith? PoE?

Lilith and fish are scummy together

Why are they scummy together?

that was wayyyy too long ago for that question to be super relevant. but it was their interactions. I didnt buy their fight as TvT. They seemed to be agreeing about a lot of reads, and I didn't particularly like their reads. that suggests orchestration. Fish has since said that his posts were somewhat intentionally scummy as a gambit. If anything that makes lilith even more scummy since her posts agreed with someone who was being scummy on purpose.

Where did fish and I have similar reads?
If you had all of these thoughts, why not say them in your original post?
Then there is 0 follow up on either my or fish’s slot in terms of pushing a scumread, building a wagon, or engaging to develop the read further. You haven’t even voted either me or fish.

[lilith2013]

Standing to the side of an argument and announcing scumreads on players without directly engaging with them is exactly the scumtell I’m looking for

[votato]

Standing to the side of an argument and announcing scumreads on players without directly engaging with them is exactly the scumtell I’m looking for

i guess i must be scum in most of my day 1s then.

[Tuxedo Mask]

if you mean someone else's defense of freddie, you'll have to point out which one you mean because i might honestly have missed it

Votato and Nauci are the ones most prominently defending the slot.

i originally felt like ironcat had a natural progression of reads and a townie-ish tone. you realize i'm in ironcat's slot, right?

I do realize, which is why I thought the initial comment was odd. I came off kind of forced, especially since how far off from my read of Ironcat. So I asked you to justify that read, because if you did come to it naturally and not because of your role PM you should be able to do that. What posts did you find have a townish tone?

I find it so weird that people can't follow the very simple evolution of voting and questioning my top scum read. Then after getting answers voting my other scum read who still hasn't answered my questions.

What happened to your scumread on wave/brass slot?

It mostly came from Brass' departure and drop in effort. At the time of the initial read, Wave hadn't done anything, so I was waiting on them. Wave's recent posts have positively impacted my read of the slot. Their questioning of Votato seems town motivated.

[Freddiethelady]

Which reminds me, @Osuka can you explain your read on freddie? All I can find in your ISO is that you called one of her posts bland? Also, are you scumreading formerfish?

i'll get you some post numbers from freddie in a second here, i'm still catching up to the thread.

345 is a bad post that

seems

good at first glance. it's not quite iioa but it's very shallow and feels fabricated, almost as if she was forcing herself to form something remotely resembling a natural read

585 is bad wifom. like wifom and bad reasoning had a kid and it was a terrible, terrible post

886 is a shit tier dodge

893 is unnecessarily defensive and clearly uncomfortable

898 is apologetic. the apologetic, almost friendly tone can be found in other posts and it screams "let me be your friend, fellow townie"

937 is full of bad justifications for bad decisions

969 brings back the apologetic tone in full force

You haven't provided reasons behind your reads just a list of hollow observations - you've made some funny comments about my posts re:the baby post (witty! nice one) but its hardly justification for your read. btw you've made the exact same comment about post 345 twice now. talk about dodging but it really speaks to my point that you have no substance. you replaced ironcat right? well tbh i wasn't SR your slot but i'd scum read you for your attitude and baseless accusations. its a good lesson to learn that people who are less then enjoyable fill VT slots too. obvi nice =/= townie but i like having living examples to harp back too as i learn the game.

[Freddiethelady]

Standing to the side of an argument and announcing scumreads on players without directly engaging with them is exactly the scumtell I’m looking for

sorry, who was this directed to?

[osuka]

Standing to the side of an argument and announcing scumreads on players without directly engaging with them is exactly the scumtell I’m looking for

i guess i must be scum in most of my day 1s then.

that's just a shitty way to play town

[osuka]

Which reminds me, @Osuka can you explain your read on freddie? All I can find in your ISO is that you called one of her posts bland? Also, are you scumreading formerfish?

i'll get you some post numbers from freddie in a second here, i'm still catching up to the thread.

345 is a bad post that

seems

good at first glance. it's not quite iioa but it's very shallow and feels fabricated, almost as if she was forcing herself to form something remotely resembling a natural read

585 is bad wifom. like wifom and bad reasoning had a kid and it was a terrible, terrible post

886 is a shit tier dodge

893 is unnecessarily defensive and clearly uncomfortable

898 is apologetic. the apologetic, almost friendly tone can be found in other posts and it screams "let me be your friend, fellow townie"

937 is full of bad justifications for bad decisions

969 brings back the apologetic tone in full force

You haven't provided reasons behind your reads just a list of hollow observations - you've made some funny comments about my posts re:the baby post (witty! nice one) but its hardly justification for your read. btw you've made the exact same comment about post 345 twice now. talk about dodging but it really speaks to my point that you have no substance. you replaced ironcat right? well tbh i wasn't SR your slot but i'd scum read you for your attitude and baseless accusations. its a good lesson to learn that people who are less then enjoyable fill VT slots too. obvi nice =/= townie but i like having living examples to harp back too as i learn the game.

kekW i was not ready to witness this meltdown of biblical proportions

[osuka]

i made the same comment about 345 because i was prompted about it. the way you behave is more than enough justification for a scumread, and 993 is prima facie of a scum role PM

you're WAY too defensive in a deflective way, characteristic of newbscum. talk about substance - what is the substance in your post (and with an omgus to top it off, no less)? I don't have to post a paragraph full of adjectives to justify my scumread, because your posts and tone speak for themselves

to all the newbies in the game, 993 does not come from town. I'm 100% ready to lynch this slot now

[Tuxedo Mask]

I have to agree, I don't like the look of 993. It's pretty handwavy of justified critique.

@Osuka 1: can you link those posts you town read of Iron Kat? I'm going ISO dive them tonight. 2: Besides Freddie who do you scum read and why? Have any town reads?

@Wave & Lilith: Are you both pushing for a Votato lynch today? We're running out of time and I'm not close to sold on it. Failing that who else would you two vote? Seems likely it's coming down to Freddie, Osuka, and me.

@Freddie: Seriously, what are your scum reads? Who do you want lynched today? It seems when people criticize you your first instinct is to imply they're scummy for it and move on.

[Tuxedo Mask]

@FormerFish can you explain your scum read of Freddie? We're almost out of time, and I'd rather have someone at L-1 today so we can have time to deal with a claim and stuff, and still have time to move to another wagon if something happens.