Micro 941 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

[HoldenGolden]

anyways I think

holden wifom'd

too much so i think i changed my mind about voting them VOTE: holden

How so? The mafia pt joke with Tuxedo?

Believe that is four votes on me BTW

[HoldenGolden]

Nope only 3 votes. All peachy

[DkKoba]

I'm just going to throw out a few notes on what I think.

1.) no claims d1 because variance in PRs is enough for scum to hide in either pile without really being able to pin it down, however, they cannot both hide in 1 pile without being confirmed to both be in that pile. (at least I think so? I need to go over the possibilities. at least theres certain cases where it would become immediately apparent).
2.) n1 analysis will be important if there are obvious non-scum kills.
3.)

idk bomb mechs but we can setup a slot code to make sure vigs don't all target the same person and we don't gain any info from a death. also don't want all vigs to suicide onto a single bomb if thats a thing LOL

this is an example situation where vig can self confirm themselves as a real vig, and thus can "claim" a kill for example if they are being lynched. (and this be clear). this is a niche case but its SOMETHING we can utilize if it happens, plus the vig in questiion would know they can aim to kill scum.

How does this confirm anything by having them shoot a SS (which we have to know exists) that scum would be forced to shoot or gungho on their lynch to avoid being placed in the hammer spot? How would you coordinate that without the risk of mafia simply expending their rb ability on the claimed vig?

I think the only way to "confirm" a claim like this would be post the vig shot, but nothing stops vigs stacking up on one target unless we come up with a system for it.

Also lol, mafia shooting the bomb

[HoldenGolden]

I know. I am asking how do you make a slot code vague enough to avoid mafia interference but focused enough to not only direct Vig shots, but also to different slots to maximize their effectiveness (and also allow the claimed vig shot to be more credible as a result of anti vig stacking)?

There's another way mafia can complicate things, but I rather not say it out loud since it may not be obvious to them.

[DkKoba]

I don't think that's important right now.

[Hoctac]

Are you feeling pressured by all the votes on you, Holden? I could ask people to unvote if that's the case.

[HoldenGolden]

I don't think that's important right now.

Then would you like to answer post 100 then?

[DkKoba]

anyways I think

holden wifom'd

too much so i think i changed my mind about voting them VOTE: holden

How so? The mafia pt joke with Tuxedo?

Believe that is four votes on me BTW

i do believe yes that is considered wifom.

[Kilgamayan]

imo what to do with someone that doesn't want to hammer depends on how they handle the situation. Someone that goes "no I'm townreading them and that's that" and shoves their fingers in their ears can be sent to the guillotine the next day because that reeks of scum wanting to avoid hammering a supersaint. I'd be substantially more willing to give leeway to someone that goes "I'm townreading this person for A B C reasons and I think the case against them doesn't fly for X Y Z reasons" and actually makes an effort to dissuade the lynch onto someone else they find scummier. (Assuming their argumentation isn't all bunk, of course.)

Too much word salad 2/10
VOTE: kilga

omgus

FWIW I tend to post little but word lots when playing in ~~~unfamiliar territory~~~

UNVOTE: DkKoba
VOTE: Night 3 Roses

Posts so far have given me a sense of playing a "safely helpful" game; decent post volume but all of the game content is focused around trying to solve the role puzzle or info dropping (such as details about a previous game that used this setup), which doesn't require any real alignment-related effort. Basically active lurking.

ED1 STRONG!

I could also vote for ceejayvinoya, 69 (nice) doesn't explain why Holden is the most awkward player at that point in the game and it's not really a conclusion I agree with (I would have said Hoctac or maybe Tuxedo Mask instead).

[DkKoba]

Are you feeling pressured by all the votes on you, Holden? I could ask people to unvote if that's the case.

my ego is in the on position right now there is no asking me to unvote right now

[HoldenGolden]

Are you feeling pressured by all the votes on you, Holden? I could ask people to unvote if that's the case.

Nah I've grown accustom to my starpower pushing me into the lynch candidacy quite early.

[HoldenGolden]

anyways I think

holden wifom'd

too much so i think i changed my mind about voting them VOTE: holden

How so? The mafia pt joke with Tuxedo?

Believe that is four votes on me BTW

i do believe yes that is considered wifom.

Yes it is. You stated it is too much implying the manner in which I did it exceeds the daily threshold of town allowed wifom. So why does that push me more into coming from a mafia perspective rather than a townie jesting?

[DkKoba]

there's no "town allowed wifom". town doesn't need to wifom that they are scum because they are not scum and wouldn't have any wine. do you see where I'mgoing with this?

[HoldenGolden]

there's no "town allowed wifom". town doesn't need to wifom that they are scum because they are not scum and wouldn't have any wine. do you see where I'mgoing with this?

No I do not.

Without any games particularly on my mind, I am sure I can find a post in a completed game where a townie on day 1 claims mafia (Scum mason claim) or jokes about being scum. Which, given the fact we are talking about the Tuxedo interaction, would be categorize as WIFOM.

I have no issue with you claiming that it is possible WIFOM, but the "townies never WIFOM" is bs both from a day 1 joking standpoint and other non-applicable examples such as gambitting, PR protection, etc. So explain how my banter has been excessively WIFOM which is likely to come from a scum PoV.

[DkKoba]

u are quite hung up on that huh.

well maybe u should note that you also fakeclaimed a role(even if it doesn't exist)(which i consider wifom) as well.

and maybe also note i'm not calling for your lynch since you seem to be toeing the line of overreaction but rather see u as a good starting point for beginning the gamesolve.

[HoldenGolden]

u are quite hung up on that huh.

well maybe u should note that you also fakeclaimed a role(even if it doesn't exist)(which i consider wifom) as well.

and maybe also note i'm not calling for your lynch since you seem to be toeing the line of overreaction but rather see u as a good starting point for beginning the gamesolve.

Yes a scum mason claim basically.

Why are you not answering the question of how it is more likely to come from a scum PoV than a town PoV directly given my counterpoint of townies doing stuff like that on day 1? You just gave me another example and told me to stop overreacting (?). I know you aren't calling for my lynch, and I see you as the first person to actually try to explain a non-RVS vote that I think has issues with the logic in it. Why should I not then inquire about your logic further?

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.3

HoldenGolden(3)

~ ceejayvinoya(3), Tuxedo Mask(11), DkKoba(33)

Tuxedo Mask(2)

~ HoldenGolden(25), Hoctac(11)

Night 3 Roses(1)

~ Kilgamayan(5)

Kilgamayan(1)

~ enomis(3)

clidd(1)

~ Night 3 Roses(17)


Not Voting (1): clidd(0)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-29 05:21:12)

[HoldenGolden]

What's your read then also on Tuxedo given his participation with the WIFOM?

I'm confused overall because:
-> You said I "WIFOM'd too much" which means that there is some threshold that a town should be able to WIFOM in your eyes.
-> Then you say that town shouldn't WIFOM at all.
-> into saying to me "Have good faith in me, I am trying to move town out of RVS. You are overracting and hung up on a question."

Do you see why I am curious about my question now?

[Hoctac]

I see people are trying to move us out of RVS. This saddens me, as I was quite enjoying the slow pace of the game, and arguments scare me T_T

[Hoctac]

Holden, could I ask why you use "->" rather than ">" or bullet points which can be accessed using BBcode? I found your choice peculiar.

[Tuxedo Mask]

My vote on Holden stays. Most awkward guy so far.

Talk about awkward.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

@DKKoba, I don't really get what you're saying about Holden? Do jokes count as WIFOM? and why am I not in the same level of consideration? Heck, I was the one who brought up the two of us being scum together.

As for the PR talk, I'm going to sit out. I took a semester of clowning at community college, all this math is way above my head. I'll just go with whatever the town consensus is.

P-edit: You and I can RVS as long as you like, but if you change your avatar you're dead to me.

[Hoctac]

P-edit: You and I can RVS as long as you like, but if you change your avatar you're dead to me.

I'm keeping this one until anyone proposes another avatar to me in any of my games :p

[Kilgamayan]

Frankly, I'm surprised the originally-suggested Sailor Moon image wasn't the Sailor Moon Redraw image that's been going around Twitter lately.

[DkKoba]

What's your read then also on Tuxedo given his participation with the WIFOM?

I'm confused overall because:
-> You said I "WIFOM'd too much" which means that there is some threshold that a town should be able to WIFOM in your eyes.
-> Then you say that town shouldn't WIFOM at all.
-> into saying to me "Have good faith in me, I am trying to move town out of RVS. You are overracting and hung up on a question."

Do you see why I am curious about my question now?

u are overanalyzing what was essentially a reaction test. its not that deep. learned that u are very defensive however, so noted.

[Tuxedo Mask]

P-edit: You and I can RVS as long as you like, but if you change your avatar you're dead to me.

I'm keeping this one until anyone proposes another avatar to me in any of my games :p