Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Formerfish]

Toe pick.

[wavesarc]

feathers at the beginning

I disagree about this being low hanging fruit since many players were town reading feathers. I think that's a major mischaracterization.

Eh, it's more a misrep because I failed at reading again--his feathers vote was in RVS. This doesn't change how I feel about him, though--I think he stuck with copykat because it was easy, and I don't think he pushed her. A lot of his posting re: copykat is in direct response to her or only prompted by her posts. It's the first major scum vibe when I re-read. I leaned town on votato when I skimmed the first time, but I don't think his posts held up when I read again and I can't shake that feeling.

This game has been exhausting to read through, honestly. I feel more comfortable in a game where there are multiple wagons and you can start to notice inconsistencies in actions or opportunistic votes, but this game barely has any of that. The middle of the thread revolves hard around blurred personal/game reactions to fish and ironcat and it's just a slog to parse. Beyond certain things that stuck out to me, I'm mostly going off vibes because that's all I got. It's not for lack of effort because I've spent too much time reading this thread, but it's hard to contribute much. I realize this is sounding really defeated, and I'm being honest when I say it's not in response to the votes on me and more as a result of general frustration, but eh--I'll be more grounded after we get a flip.

[Formerfish]

Why should you be around to see that flip happen, and not be entering the dead thread after you get lynched today?

[votato]

im not very convinced that tuxedo flips scum though. i think thats not a bad lynch because of information gained (there are a lot of meaningful interactions around that slot), but i dont know if its worth the chances of a mislynch there. that slot currently resides solidly in nullread limbo for me

that isnt the slot i asked about tho

[votato]

i think a proper committed read from you would be helpful in sorting you osuka

[Tuxedo Mask]

Also, I dislike you hopping off my wagon. I think consolidating things with this little time left is best.

Why? There's WAY more content from your slot now than there was when I really really really wanted to lynch there, enough so that your interactions with Freddie make me want to re-evaluate when I can, so I am pushing a different slot that I scum read, especially since it has a replacement who hasn't contributed AI content or enough content to go into day 2 with. Besides, I said that while I'm de-prioritizing this game, I'd be checking it before time runs out and can move if town really needs to consolidate.

This is just me being dumb. I really misjudged where people's reads were at, that's why I thought the wagons we should focus on are myself, Osuka, and Freddie. As those seemed to be the most consistent names coming up when people said where they'd be happy to lynch. So you're hop off me onto Wave felt like taking momentum out of the game. But I was wrong, so good job there.

How many games have you played with Brass? I wanna know since you're read seems pretty meta based. Votato has the same for Freddie but I don't understand how the unicorn is so sure from a half game.

[osuka]

I leaned town on votato when I skimmed the first time, but I don't think his posts held up when I read again and I can't shake that feeling.

this rubs me off the wrong way. why did your read change on what is coincidentally the player spearheading your wagon?

[wavesarc]

Nauci/freddie are town to me. re: the freddie wagon; I genuinely think this is a reaction to their tone--reserved, sort of a weird sense of humor. Like I said, I think their reaction to formerfish was genuine and vibed with their personality. They seem like frustrated/confused town, which I relate to.

Lean town on formerfish and osuka. Both slots (largely speaking to ironcat) have come off as genuine in their actions. formerfish has been active in pushing town, but seems comfortable/experienced enough to do this as scum, so I'm not fully convinced yet. The ironcat slot--I can't see them doing all that as scum. Like, the town wagons gibus and then the attention turns to copykat--if ironcat is scum, at least one of copykat/gibus is town. Why derail everyone with continuing the formerfish/lilith stuff?

Null on lilith and tuxedo/copykat. With lilith it's weird because I can really follow her thought process (especially her reaction to ironcat), but she does things like say "oh the gibus wagon fell apart fast" and....doesn't really follow up on that? I feel like the right move for scum!lilith is to hold back right now and that's what she's been doing. Copykat's turnaround on gibus was bad, but her reaction I could see as newbtown too? She doesn't have that many posts on the site--she wasn't very experienced and I can't really sort her actions. Tuxedo has been much more active and engaged, which is good but still makes the slot difficult to sort--this is what he would want to do as scum.

Leaning scum on gibus and still scum on votato. I've explained my read on votato--I just don't get the sense that he's really pushing his scumreads. Like, he's responding to copykat and she's clearly his top scum read after the focus turns to her post gibus wagon. But he doesn't *push* copykat, even though the wagon is stalling and formerfish/lilith/iron are interacting with each other/reacting to formerfish/ironcat. gibus is a roller coaster for me--he was super active in the beginning, then really stopped after he gained momentum on the wagon. His behavior and engagement during the beginning seemed natural. Everything after didn't seem so.

Obv I would prefer to lynch between votato/gibus. I agree that a flip on the copykat slot would be useful, and would be willing to go for tuxedo.

[wavesarc]

I leaned town on votato when I skimmed the first time, but I don't think his posts held up when I read again and I can't shake that feeling.

this rubs me off the wrong way. why did your read change on what is coincidentally the player spearheading your wagon?

I voted and explained my read before votato voted for me.

I don't like his behavior around the gibus wagon--he's scumreading copykat at this point, but doesn't vote for her until the momentum shifts from gibus to her.

It fits into his pattern of behavior so far this game--his posts lack content, and really a lot of his early stuff was just answering questions. I agree that the townreading questioning is something scum could be afraid to do, but I also don't think it's a big risk--it's just a lot of WIFOM tbh. I think votato's general vibe has been pretty cheeky and that he would be comfortable saying something like that.

I don't think votato has been pushing much at all. At least not in a way that would cause major direction. He's really just gone after low hanging fruit: feathers at the beginning, ironcat when they were in their feelings, copykat after her L-1 vote.

[osuka]

i am aware of that. please elaborate

[osuka]

i'm also curious as to what your read of

me

is, since youve said something about your ironcat read but nothing about me, for whatever reason. I can't speak as to ironcat's actions or reasoning, so that's fairly counterproductive

[wavesarc]

When I skimmed the thread after replacing in, I thought votato seemed present and insightful, but I noticed less analysis and push from him when I read the second time? I'm confused about your question because votato wasn't pushing on my slot at all at the time.

Re: you. Yeah ironcat was an oversized presence so I can't help but focus so much on them. I like your content--I think you're making a genuine effort to engage and scumhunt and nothing seems off. Though it's similar a bit to the tuxedo situation where a lot of people were focused on your slot and being heavily active and engaging would be what you'd want to do as scum.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.12

Freddiethelady (3)

- osuka, Formerfish, Tuxedo Mask,

Wavesarc (Brassherald) (3)

- gibus, Nauci, votato,

Votato (2)

- Wavesarc, lilith2013,

Not Voting (1) -

Freddiethelady,

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-05-21 11:05:00)

[/quote]

[Nauci]

im from Massachusetts so we didnt hang people)?

That depends. Are witches people?

[Nauci]

feathers at the beginning

I disagree about this being low hanging fruit since many players were town reading feathers. I think that's a major mischaracterization.

Eh, it's more a misrep because I failed at reading again--his feathers vote was in RVS. This doesn't change how I feel about him, though--I think he stuck with copykat because it was easy, and I don't think he pushed her. A lot of his posting re: copykat is in direct response to her or only prompted by her posts. It's the first major scum vibe when I re-read. I leaned town on votato when I skimmed the first time, but I don't think his posts held up when I read again and I can't shake that feeling.

This game has been exhausting to read through, honestly. I feel more comfortable in a game where there are multiple wagons and you can start to notice inconsistencies in actions or opportunistic votes, but this game barely has any of that. The middle of the thread revolves hard around blurred personal/game reactions to fish and ironcat and it's just a slog to parse. Beyond certain things that stuck out to me, I'm mostly going off vibes because that's all I got. It's not for lack of effort because I've spent too much time reading this thread, but it's hard to contribute much. I realize this is sounding really defeated, and I'm being honest when I say it's not in response to the votes on me and more as a result of general frustration, but eh--I'll be more grounded after we get a flip.

Crazy theory y'all, but maybe it's really hard for scum to fabricate reactions and theories and explanations in mafia...

[Nauci]

How many games have you played with Brass?

Newbie 1843

I was SE in his first game on the site, where he did very well (we were town and won)

Open 719: Stack The Deck!

We were town together in Stack the Deck and won

Newbie 1863

I was scum in Newbie 1863 and he replaced into my slot and then replaced out of it (still won tho, because Irrelephant11 and I had a grand old time with a Night 1 no kill crazy gamble back when that was viable, and it was glorious, even though I absolutely could not bring myself to post much because I am awful at scum and unintentionally replaced out via inactivity)

Newbie 1860

I wasn't in this game but I skimmed through it and read Brass's ISO while sorting him for a game we played in later

Newbie 1876

@Formerfish

you were in this game with town!Brass so maybe you remember what it's like as well

Starcraft Mafia: 2

I spectated a game where Brass was half of a hydra account, the last thing I remember participating in before I felt too burned out to keep hanging around MS

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

[Nauci]

@Elmo: Freddie has (3), not (4) votes on them

[Elmo TeH AzN]

@Elmo: Freddie has (3), not (4) votes on them

Names were right. Its what matters.

[Formerfish]

im from Massachusetts so we didnt hang people)?

That depends. Are witches people?

I'm not that old.

[Formerfish]

@Formerfish you were in this game with town!Brass so maybe you remember what it's like as well

I knew we played together but couldn't figure out the game, thank you.

[Formerfish]

@Elmo: Freddie has (3), not (4) votes on them

Let that ride next time, we can do some fake lynching shenanigans.

[osuka]

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

here is another one if youre interested

[gibus]

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

here is another one if youre interested

here is another one of osuka's scum games.

[osuka]

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

here is another one if youre interested

here is another one of osuka's scum games.

cute

unfortunately for you, you evidently can't read me

[Formerfish]

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

here is another one if youre interested

here is another one of osuka's scum games.

Dont talk about on going games