Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[lilith2013]

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

here is another one if youre interested

here is another one of osuka's scum games.

Since when have you been scumreading osuka?

[gibus]

I also found an Osuka scum game to later case while browsing through Brass's games

here is another one if youre interested

here is another one of osuka's scum games.

Since when have you been scumreading osuka?

It was a light hearted post.

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Lilith where you at? You said Votato hasn't been seriously pushing, but I'm not seeing a major push on him from Wave or you, and you guys have a lot more work cut out for you on that slot.

[votato]

lilith, lets compromise on this brass/wavesarc lynch? you can lynch me some more tomorrow. itll be hot.

[lilith2013]

@Lilith where you at? You said Votato hasn't been seriously pushing, but I'm not seeing a major push on him from Wave or you, and you guys have a lot more work cut out for you on that slot.

What I’ve been doing doesn’t count as a hard push...? Anyway I agree, votato wagon is not gaining any traction. I need to reread the thread tonight and I’ll figure out who out of the viable wagons I would be okay with lynching. I haven’t formed a really strong read on either freddie or waves, so I’ll ISO them and see how I feel

[votato]

I dont feel that I've been hard pushed by lilith. Except last night

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Lilith where you at? You said Votato hasn't been seriously pushing, but I'm not seeing a major push on him from Wave or you, and you guys have a lot more work cut out for you on that slot.

What I’ve been doing doesn’t count as a hard push...? Anyway I agree, votato wagon is not gaining any traction. I need to reread the thread tonight and I’ll figure out who out of the viable wagons I would be okay with lynching. I haven’t formed a really strong read on either freddie or waves, so I’ll ISO them and see how I feel

I feel like you two aren't doing enough to try and sell people that Votato is scum, which would take a lot of work. Votato "not pushing" isn't something I really agree with, and if that's everything there are certainly way more lynches that I prefer. But I think you're doing a better job than Wave who's most recent post seems more like a backdown than anything.

[Freddiethelady]

I have far more knowledge of freddie than anyone else (no, not what you're thinking), so I hope that, at least for today, we can put more weight on my read. I was townreading brass pretty confidently

I've played more with Brass than almost any other player on the site except for The Worst, so I hope you can understand that my meta-read on him contributes to it as much if not moreso than your meta read of Freddie.

He was very curt and brief with posting his views and I've never seen town!Brass be so cagey about explaining his reasoning, yet I

have

seen scum!Brass be very low participation and then replace out.

Town!Brass is typically a town leader who not only has good reads, but is good at explaining them in ways that effectively builds pushes.

when i say theres no hardpushing, i mean there's no one doing big wallposts with post-by-post analysis, no one is really hard tunneling

I still think that there have been multiple posts by a few people which fit this description

Also, I dislike you hopping off my wagon. I think consolidating things with this little time left is best.

Why? There's WAY more content from your slot now than there was when I really really really wanted to lynch there, enough so that your interactions with Freddie make me want to re-evaluate when I can, so I am pushing a different slot that I scum read, especially since it has a replacement who hasn't contributed AI content or enough content to go into day 2 with. Besides, I said that while I'm de-prioritizing this game, I'd be checking it before time runs out and can move if town really needs to consolidate.

nausi is one of my strongest TRs, as was feather. if i were her, and i were mafia, i wouldn't post stuff like this - it seems genuinely in the interest of town. the fact that you make the meta reads available to everyone so can see you have an evidence based claim is excellent. i would say its enough but eternal vigilance is paramount to survival, so i did scroll through the games. thanks for that.

i found some examples of comments by bass that were hollow, vague reads where he was enormously underwhelming as nausi described:

I'm cool with where my vote is. I feel like there's lots of noise from Kat but not much else. Feeling good about it.

I'm cool with where my vote is. I feel like there's lots of noise from Kat but not much else. Feeling good about it.

Ok, you care to comment on anything else, or are you good with that being your contribution given everything else that has been going on?

I feel like people might have been a little too fast to trust Feathers. Still not sure about you.

Ironcat and Lilli is my best guess at a TvT argument if there is one.

Votato I'm comfortable saying he's either town or got me pocketed hard.

I don't know about Freddie at all legitimately forgot he was in the game

Reads change over time. It's part of playing a game

You just said that you pivoted away from ironcat to find his partner though

Right, because there are 2 people who are scum, and now since that slot is being replaced i am looking for the other person who I think could be scum.

Brass has shown an inconsistency in his posting and seemingly forgot about his Gib sr when he explained why copy was doing the same stuff as gib.

Do you want to talk about anything relevant or keep pushing things that dont mean anything?

I said Kat was scummier at that time. I only have one vote my man

hmm. this isnt good. where are the people? what do they think about formerfish and lilith?

Scum lean on Fish. Still prefer a Kat lynch

So now I'm in a catch-22

gibus clarified 264+265 for me and Its not the scum slip I thought it was but if I unvote I'll probably be scumread for it

There are two people who the scum do not want lynched. Otherwise, the only reason they want a slot to keep around is if they think they've got them pocketed.

You clearly do not have anyone pocketed.

So am I scum in this or is scum trying to keep me around? I genuinely confused

You are the scum.

it wasn't hard to find evidence. he had very little to say in general, and what he did say was of little substance for someone who was clearly opinionated.

okay people im announcing that i am putting waves into l-1.

i bolded, underlined and italicized the quote from nausi in the first block that summed it up - fits the description of his behavior exactly. If nausi is telling the truth, which i am assuming she is otherwise i'm a huge sucker and i probably deserve to be lynched for my suckerness. but then this too: Town!Brass is typically a town leader who not only has good reads, but is good at explaining them in ways that effectively builds pushes. again, another massive giveaway.

VOTE: wavesarc/bassherald

[Freddiethelady]

@tux thanks for asking. Fiiiiishie is my scummiest read right now. maybe its the murky water he's swimming in....so punny right?

This is scum behavior.

You are trying to seem nonchalant and easy breezy with your jokes about my name and all the puns you have about it as well, but you arent doing that with anyone else. You are focusing on me and disparaging me to the thread but you aren't voting me or even really pushing for me to be lynched, you are just shading the fuck out of me and poking the bear begging for a reaction by repeatedly calling me a dick for a situation that had 2 sides to it and Lil never even gave half as much of a shit as anyone else has, so i kinda think that if the person who i called a cunt isnt mad at me for it because she called me an asshole and then we spoke and figured out that there was a miscommunication that we addressed and moved past no one else should be able to use that against me or continue to call me a dick without fear of repercussions.

you don't have to threaten me with repercussions to get your point across, i'm sorry. you're absolutely right. my bad!

[Freddiethelady]

Toe pick.

what is toe pick?

[Freddiethelady]

@nausi, i hope i didn't plagiarize again. i tried to cite you properly!

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Freddie why aren't you voting FF? And what about FF do you find scummy?
Do you scum read Copycat/Me? But I'm most interested in your read of Copycat's posts. And do you scum read Osuka/Ironcat? I'm more interested in your thoughts on Osuka's posts though.

Freddie, can you answer this?

[osuka]

okay people im announcing that i am putting waves into l-1.

bringing attention to this as it could be missed by someone skimming through the fairly long post and hammering by accident

[Formerfish]

Votecount 1.12

Freddiethelady (3)

- osuka, Formerfish, Tuxedo Mask,

Wavesarc (Brassherald) (3)

- gibus, Nauci, votato,

Votato (2)

- Wavesarc, lilith2013,

Not Voting (1) -

Freddiethelady,

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-05-21 11:05:00)

[/quote]

Why is scum Wave staying off the competing wagon of Freddie and vanity voting Vota?

If Wave flips scum, Freddie is his partner.

[Formerfish]

Toe pick.

what is toe pick?

[lilith2013]

Okay I'm mostly read up.

By play alone I think freddie and brassherald/waves were equally scummy. But considering the timing of the two wagons, I think the freddie wagon may be a counterwagon to the wavesarc wagon, which makes me think wavesarc is scum and either tuxedo or osuka is the partner pushing the counterwagon, and possibly also that wavesarc himself was trying to gain traction on a votato wagon so as not to be on the freddie wagon with his scumpartner.. I also have a guess as to who waves' scumpartner would be based on the two slots' reads on each other being a bit cagey, but preflip associatives are bad so I will save them for after the flip.

wavesarc, can you claim please?

[lilith2013]

If Wave flips scum, Freddie is his partner.

I don't think freddie is waves' partner, I'd assume that they would be double bussing if they knew they were the two biggest wagons and that one of them would be lynched.

[lilith2013]

Regardless, this is intent to hammer waves, pending claim.

[Formerfish]

And i know that Freddie just voted Wave, but thats a bus vote if ive ever seen one. Its clear that its coming down to Freddie or Wave, and one of them is the scum PR (if they have one) which means even scum wants to keep someone alive on their team over the other.

Scum PR Freddie is bussing his goon partner in Wave.

[Formerfish]

I think the freddie wagon may be a counterwagon to the wavesarc wagon

Can you show how you came to this conclusion?

[lilith2013]

And i know that Freddie just voted Wave, but thats a bus vote if ive ever seen one. Its clear that its coming down to Freddie or Wave, and one of them is the scum PR (if they have one) which means even scum wants to keep someone alive on their team over the other.

Scum PR Freddie is bussing his goon partner in Wave.

Okay that's fair, I didn't consider that the scum PR could affect bussing decisions

I think the freddie wagon may be a counterwagon to the wavesarc wagon

Can you show how you came to this conclusion?

let me go find the votes again

[wavesarc]

Hi, I'm vanilla townie.

@formerfish I don't think freddie is scum. Would vote for them over myself but I'm not going to vote for someone I'm reading town for any other reason.

re: why I think votato is scum. Look at his ISO with copykat's. Votato isn't *pushing* copykat. Their posts on copykat are almost entirely replies to her. If she's his main scumread, why isn't he redirecting the topic in the thread to her? Instead the wagon stalls as formerfish/ironcat/kinda lilith go back and forth with each other. I look at votato's posts throughout the game and I see someone who is present, but spending a lot of time providing information over analysis, going after easy targets *visibly* but not really pursuing them beyond replying directly to them.

[Formerfish]

@formerfish I don't think freddie is scum. Would vote for them over myself but I'm not going to vote for someone I'm reading town for any other reason.

Well, you are at l-1 and have given us no reason to not lynch you, soo....

[wavesarc]

Look, I know my contributions have been shit. I've explained why I've had trouble getting into this game. But I'm an easy mislynch that doesn't really provide the town with much information.

[wavesarc]

VOTE: freddie