Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Formerfish]

I thought you meant that the group that’s on my wagon would know to kill me or not...I didn’t want to die so I thought, claim your role. I cracked. I don’t know what to say.

Yeah, but you cracked in such a way at a specific time where you are making an attempt to explain why you werent killed tonight.

Follow me here.

If we just lynched Waves after your whole "how do I claim" stuff then scum could look at you and think to themselves that he was ready to claim, so therefore maybe he had something to claim other than a vt, so we should still kill him tonight in case he is a PR and we get lucky.

By claiming after the lynch went through all you are doing is taking your name out of the hat because now scum knows youre a vt and wouldn't target you for the nk because they would be PR hunting among the unclaimed people.

You just explained why you are alive tomorrow even though you really shouldnt be. Scum should have killed you tonight so that they could throw shade over all the people who were pushing you since they would have been pushing a townie right?

But you arent town, so your team mate told you to claim vt so you wouldnt die tonight and have a reason to point to when youre still alive.

Scum caught, i rest my case.

[Formerfish]

well fish you did go fishing for claims pretty hard

In no way shape or form can you blame me for someone claiming after a hammer was made.

Look at the first post, there is a whole section on proper play for newbies about just these types of things.

[Formerfish]

Voting, L-x, and Hammers
L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see L-2 and L-3 (2 votes away from a lynch and 3 votes away from a lynch, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being lynched, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

[Formerfish]

Claiming Your Role
It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

[Formerfish]

And you literally told him not to, in a post he quoted while claiming.

[Formerfish]

I cant stop that kind of bad play, and can not believe it is coming from anyone who is town, and im sorry Freddie if you realy are town, but that is play that needs to die regardless of what you are.

[Formerfish]

[Nauci]

wait no its not a hammer, he was already on the wagon

[Formerfish]

wait no its not a hammer, he was already on the wagon

If that made you faceplam i feel bad for your face in the next page and a half.

[Nauci]

@Freddie why aren't you voting FF? And what about FF do you find scummy?
Do you scum read Copycat/Me? But I'm most interested in your read of Copycat's posts. And do you scum read Osuka/Ironcat? I'm more interested in your thoughts on Osuka's posts though.

Freddie, can you answer this?

Ironcat was unvoted by me. We established that, I could have been wrong but it seemed reasonable to me so I acted on it. Osuka has been just shitting on everyone’s posts and being loud. The loudness may be an attempted substance but I can’t read it yet.

Fish, what’s a vanity vote?

I’m not voting fish atm because I think he’s scummy but it might be deliberate. It reminds me of the quote “I think a servant of the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler”. I’m still not sure enough to vote him, which is why I never voted him.

How do I officially claim my role? Do I send a screen shot of my message from Elmo? I’m not scum.

Vanity vote is a vote on a wagon that has no legs, you vote there because youre vain and think you know better.

You claim by saying what you are, if youre a town pr I would just say PR for right now, so we dont clue scum in anymore than needed.

do NOT send a screenshot. you cant quote or anything like that. you dont need to claim since no one has stated intent to hammer. a vanity wagon is one that doesnt have momentum, so basically wasting your vote on a non-wagon. also, are you feeling FF to know how foul he feels?

Okay, guys. My role is VT. I’m shit at lying. I’m just bad at this game! Did waves officially claim also?

Thanks for the vanity-vote explanation.

I’m trying to feel him. But I think he’s not scum. Gut feeling.

I think they are going to get me either way and I have no PR. Hahaha I’m so bad strategically. I’m like the squirrel in the Rose that gets killed cause I’m indecisive! Bye everyone

no words

[Nauci]

[Nauci]

you live in pittsburgh

ouch

this game is a vacation in comparison

[Nauci]

I was calling pittsburgh a shit show...actually used to live there until a couple years ago, so I'm allowed to joke about it

Was there for CMU. Can confirm, asshole of America

[Nauci]

@brassherald

ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ IF YOU WEREN'T SCUM THEN WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME BRUH ಥ_ಥ

[Nauci]

I just don't know how to believe the idea that Freddie successfully read that the fakehammer was fake but then failed to pick up on 2 pages of discussion that they should NOT claim immediately after

[Tuxedo Mask]

I just don't know how to believe the idea that Freddie successfully read that the fakehammer was fake but then failed to pick up on 2 pages of discussion that they should NOT claim immediately after

I don't know, Freddie seems to miss stuff often. It makes sense for Scum to be less careful like that or in this case lie. But if not

Freddie, if you're town you have to pay closer attention. Not only does it impact your ability to scum hunt, but it's impacting towns' ability to interact with you.

[Freddiethelady]

Yup, you’re right. I’ll do better next time! Good luck everyone!

[Freddiethelady]

I thought you meant that the group that’s on my wagon would know to kill me or not...I didn’t want to die so I thought, claim your role. I cracked. I don’t know what to say.

Yeah, but you cracked in such a way at a specific time where you are making an attempt to explain why you werent killed tonight.

Follow me here.

If we just lynched Waves after your whole "how do I claim" stuff then scum could look at you and think to themselves that he was ready to claim, so therefore maybe he had something to claim other than a vt, so we should still kill him tonight in case he is a PR and we get lucky.

By claiming after the lynch went through all you are doing is taking your name out of the hat because now scum knows youre a vt and wouldn't target you for the nk because they would be PR hunting among the unclaimed people.

You just explained why you are alive tomorrow even though you really shouldnt be. Scum should have killed you tonight so that they could throw shade over all the people who were pushing you since they would have been pushing a townie right?

But you arent town, so your team mate told you to claim vt so you wouldnt die tonight and have a reason to point to when youre still alive.

Scum caught, i rest my case.

What will happen to this theory when I flip town?

[Nauci]

Why are you acting like you've been killed?

[Formerfish]

What will happen to this theory when I flip town?

When are you dying?

[osuka]

What on earth just happened

[osuka]

Fish has done and said some very questionable things over the last 3 or 4 pages but I struggle to see some of his posts as coming from scum

[Formerfish]

Quote them or stfu

[osuka]

Freddie has to be scum or just really, exceptionally badly misguided town. Strongly leaning towards the first

Pedit I’m currently taking a shit and posting from my phone but I’ll quote them in a second when I get back to my desk

[osuka]

I maintain that the wave lynch was bad. Good chance it’ll flip town