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[Blair]

Which part do you disagree with?

And what agenda do you believe I have?

(Hint: My agenda is to lynch Gamma)

[Quick]

For some reason, I had a scum read on VPB, but it seems like you guys think that is unrealistic

If VP is Scum, then it's going to be between:

Gamma
Blair
Atarashi
R2R (outside chance)

For the other two.

Still, if it IS Gamma, then it's never with R2R or Blair, but everyone else is fair game. As far as that goes, I'd much rather lynch R2R over Gamma to rule the other out. It would also be nice to semi-crear mav here, because mav is a valuable asset if Town.

Votato is interesting because the only people they REALLY can't be Scum with is VP and to a lesser extent, Puppy. But R2R and votato can totally be SvS as far as I can see. That's why I would really prefer the wagons be between those two. Votato has pretty good Scum equity and R2R has actually been pretty damn Scummy.

[Quick]

Which part do you disagree with?

And what agenda do you believe I have?

(Hint: My agenda is to lynch Gamma)

I thought your agenda was to "sort" Gamma. It's a lynch now? Why? I think your reasons for wanting to lynch there are bad and you'd be better off on the R2R wagon I think.

[midwaybear]

i think r2r is town based on tonereads

[Quick]

i think r2r is town based on tonereads

Tone reads are shit.

[midwaybear]

work for me
i successfuly toneread you before

[Blair]

Which part do you disagree with?

And what agenda do you believe I have?

(Hint: My agenda is to lynch Gamma)

I thought your agenda was to "sort" Gamma. It's a lynch now? Why? I think your reasons for wanting to lynch there are bad and you'd be better off on the R2R wagon I think.

This is a distinction without a difference. I do not vote for people I am not willing to lynch.

Do you?

[Quick]

Which part do you disagree with?

And what agenda do you believe I have?

(Hint: My agenda is to lynch Gamma)

I thought your agenda was to "sort" Gamma. It's a lynch now? Why? I think your reasons for wanting to lynch there are bad and you'd be better off on the R2R wagon I think.

This is a distinction without a difference. I do not vote for people I am not willing to lynch.

Do you?

Don't understand why you phrased it that way. If that's the case, then NPOM really seemed like a compromise lynch to me. I didn't see a whole lot of conviction from you that they were Scum.

Unless you can prove me wrong and pull up some posts that do show some conviction that NPOM was Scum? Like I said, the post where you voted NPOM was fishy and smells gross.

[Blair]

Are you implying I was not willing to lynch NPOM?

Good luck defending that one.

There are many posts that demonstrate my interest in lynching NPOM, but if I had to single out the clearest one - it would be the one you said you hated when you initially voted for me today.

It's interesting that you thought my NPOM push was fake and my vote was gross but... decided not to mention it or imply it at all until Day 2?

[Quick]

Are you implying I was not willing to lynch NPOM?

Good luck defending that one.

There are many posts that demonstrate my interest in lynching NPOM, but if I had to single out the clearest one - it would be the one you said you hated when you initially voted for me today.

It's interesting that you thought my NPOM push was fake and my vote was gross but... decided not to mention it or imply it at all until Day 2?

I said conviction and you know it. Are you dropping context on purpose or what?

[Quick]

VOTE: Blair

[Blair]

In the context of a vote, what on EARTH does "conviction" mean other than "to lynch"?

[Quick]

In the context of a vote, what on EARTH does "conviction" mean other than "to lynch"?

You say it but I don't feel it. I don't feel that edge that you were out for blood on NPOM. That is deeply concerning since it DOES make it look like it was just a compromise wagon. But maybe you are not actually talking to me, but talking to the rest of that game and not really trying to convince me, but them. I will point this out since no one else is likely to.

[midwaybear]

can i get some quotes?

[Blair]

Quick, buddy, this is how I know you didn't double back and check what post I was referring to.

If you had, you would know why I wanted to lynch NPOM.

[Quick]

can i get some quotes?

From who?

[midwaybear]

can i get some quotes?

From who?

about the conviction

[Blair]

Here you go, Midwaybear:

@Blair...

We totally smoked 'em.

Fine, but only because you pinky-promised you'd help us lynch scum even if you are scum!

VOTE: NPOM

The case being decent (and finally coherent) didn't hurt, either. Even if he was null reading me at that point, why move your vote off of a null read on to a random "one of these three is probably scum, I guess this one will do"?

NPOM, you are welcome to commence flailing in abject terror and/or despair. I'm not fussy.

[Quick]

Still like my vote!

I did state a case on NPOM but not one person commented on it. Not really sure why that is.

OK, I give up, I can't find it. Please link your NPOM case?

All I found was this:

This is more or less my reads at this point.

Atarashi
mav, Gamma, Puppy
Dany, VP, Blair
votato
NPOM
R2R

But I would like to see what R2R brings to the table.

So this is my vote after analysis (seperate from what I have said ITT).

VOTE: NPOM

Unless your NPOM case came before your NPOM vote. I didn't go back much farther than that.

Plus, it means either his SR on Blair dissopated (with no progression) and that he is ignoring the VP wagon while even saying the people voting there are likely Town -1. At what point does NPOM make the "logical" choice just vote VP here? Does he TR VP or is the Town -1 mean there is no possibility of Bus or what? Cuz I am pretty sure NPOM knows Scum would for sure sit on a Scum early game if they don't intend to be active.

The sentence structure is botched as well, which would normally feel like a petty objection, but here it is actually obstructing understanding.

I'm trying really hard to put my "Nice Blair" hat on here and help you articulate this, I'm just not sure where to begin. That "either," for instance, in the first sentence: Is that vestigial? (It feels like a relic of an earlier, edited version of the sentence)

@Blair...

We totally smoked 'em.

Fine, but only because you pinky-promised you'd help us lynch scum even if you are scum!

VOTE: NPOM

The case being decent (and finally coherent) didn't hurt, either. Even if he was null reading me at that point, why move your vote off of a null read on to a random "one of these three is probably scum, I guess this one will do"?

NPOM, you are welcome to commence flailing in abject terror and/or despair. I'm not fussy.

My vote was on a very weak townread because i liked Quick's answer -- should i leave it there while i look for a better one?

Your non-answer and abject terror are noted.

The thing is... you were never picking up what I was laying down until several other people decided my case had merit.

[Quick]

can i get some quotes?

From who?

about the conviction

Yeah, but who were you asking to fetch the quotes?

[midwaybear]

wasn't ur case based on his avatar? I don't remember clearly. I will go back it time. Not making conclusion yet

pedit: you lol

[Blair]

That is the moment I moved my vote off of Quick onto NPOM.

I literally said exactly why I was doing it, but Quick wants to play dumb for some reason.

I wanted to flip NPOM because he was either scum or town who isn't scumhunting - but mostly

I wanted to flip NPOM to sort Quick.

P-edit: You're deliberately trimming out the multiple posts in which I explained your case to other players. (Why would I do that, thus helping your wagon, if I didn't believe in it? Especially if it puts a target on me when NPOM flips town, which I would know if I were scum?)

[Quick]

That is the moment I moved my vote off of Quick onto NPOM.

I literally said exactly why I was doing it, but Quick wants to play dumb for some reason.

I wanted to flip NPOM because he was either scum or town who isn't scumhunting - but mostly

I wanted to flip NPOM to sort Quick.

P-edit: You're deliberately trimming out the multiple posts in which I explained your case to other players. (Why would I do that, thus helping your wagon, if I didn't believe in it? Especially if it puts a target on me when NPOM flips town, which I would know if I were scum?)

No. I am not playing dumb. YOU are doing that now by not adequately addressing what it is I am saying here.

[Quick]

That is the moment I moved my vote off of Quick onto NPOM.

I literally said exactly why I was doing it, but Quick wants to play dumb for some reason.

I wanted to flip NPOM because he was either scum or town who isn't scumhunting - but mostly

I wanted to flip NPOM to sort Quick.

P-edit: You're deliberately trimming out the multiple posts in which I explained your case to other players. (Why would I do that, thus helping your wagon, if I didn't believe in it? Especially if it puts a target on me when NPOM flips town, which I would know if I were scum?)

I only went UP TO THE POINT that you voted for NPOM. Sure, you can hammer him as Scum AFTER THE FACT, but that means jack shit at the time of your vote.

[Blair]

You're reading my posts to respond, instead of reading them to understand.

Scroll up and reread them, I have already addressed what you are saying.

I can spell it out more plainly if you really want me to, but it feels condescending at this point.