Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

[mavsfan41]

I wanted to flip NPOM because he was either scum or town who isn't scumhunting - but mostly

I wanted to flip NPOM to sort Quick.

How did you sort Quick from NPOM’s flip?

[Quick]

I still like my votato case, but we have some time and I want to try something else on for a moment

VOTE: ready2rock

Let's not forget this post. What do you [all] think of this post now that NPOM has flipped green?

Might as well come out here with a big fat poster saying you are hard defending R2R at this point.

[Blair]

1. Day 1 Blair was scumreading Quick

2. Blair observed Quick has an enormous ego and claims to follow a brilliant "scumhunting system" to the letter, regardless of alignment, that "definitely works"

3. Blair decided that Quick actually believed this.

4. Blair inferred that scum!Quick believed town!Quick would nail scum.

5. Blair concluded that if Quick is town, NPOM is a decent enough Day 1 lynch who might flip scum and was definitely anti-town, but if Quick was scum he was probably bussing because

brilliantly catching scum with great confidence

is what scum!Quick believed town!Quick would be doing.

6. Blair doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth and knows a win/win when she sees one, so she helps push the NPOM wagon.

[Blair]

That post from Puppy still looks bad post-lynch, Quick. It is amazing to me that you would disagree.

[Quick]

That post from Puppy still looks bad post-lynch, Quick. It is amazing to me that you would disagree.

For you, yes, totally. Looks really bad for you.

[Blair]

You don't believe that scum try to distance themselves from wagons that are about to roll into mislynches?

[Blair]

I've caught many scum and solved many games by "hunting among the naysayers," so to speak.

[midwaybear]

that isn't always true though

[Blair]

You've literally watched me hunt among Day 1 mislynch naysayers as town before, Quick. It just occurred to me we can finally talk about that game.

So why pretend this is weird or scummy somehow now?

[Blair]

that isn't always true though

Well of course not.

But Quick is implying it is unheard of, by pretending he doesn't understand how it could still look bad.

[midwaybear]

wasn't puppy pretty towny before
maybe puppy words matched mouth

[Blair]

Many people have townread Puppy, yes.

I haven't, though. What do you mean by that?

[midwaybear]

like maybe puppy wasn't distancing, but actually wanted to pressure r2r

[Dunnstral]

Puppy, have I played with you before on your old account?

[VP Baltar]

Also, where is VP so far today? I really want his take on all this since he is a fairly stron Town Lean for me rn.

Sorry, I'm just now finishing a 12+ hour day at work. I've been trying to periodically skim along on my phone when I can, but things have been moving too fast for me to stay on it well enough. I'll be catching up tomorrow in a real way (work allowing).

My initial thoughts are that the flip made me still feel good about my r2r scum read. I'm more skeptical of Blair now (like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?) and I'm less certain of votato scum.

Everything subject to change when I have a chance to read closely, of course.

[Dunnstral]

@Dunnstral: with regards to 980, I’ve stated this in an earlier post, but I didn’t have an issue with the hammer. My issue (and I think others feel the same way here) was the lack of conviction and underwhelming catch up for the hammer. That post read more like a “let’s start a wagon/add some pressure here” and not like “this dude is straight up scum!”

*shrug*

I found a lot of things I didn't like from his posting, I felt I should make a vote following my catchup and that was where I was leaning & I had blessings to hammer

[midwaybear]

yeah NPOM's posts were pretty odd, but he was also newbie

[Dunnstral]

I wondered about his level of experience - he didn't talk like a newbie, he talked like he played on another forum.

(like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?)

Where did she say that r2r is prob scum?

[VP Baltar]

Yesterday she did

[Blair]

like maybe puppy wasn't distancing, but actually wanted to pressure r2r

Do you find "We have some time and I want to try something else for a moment" particularly... pressuring?

[Blair]

like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?

There are really only two explanations:

1. Gamma is town; Blair is scum with Ready2Rock

2. Blair feels more confident in her Gamma read.

Occam's Razor might be prudent here.

[Quick]

like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?

There are really only two explanations:

1. Gamma is town; Blair is scum with Ready2Rock

2. Blair feels more confident in her Gamma read.

Occam's Razor might be prudent here.

R2R is a better push since it appears Gamma is the better player.

[Quick]

VP also completely ignored all the questions asked of him. interesting.

Pardon? I've tried to answer all questions directed my way. I'm sure there are things that have been missed along the way though due to the river of content, so feel free to point them out.

going through your ISO, I see this in post 244:

puppy and VP, what are your reads? what do you think of atarashi? you're both asking questions without actually offering up any thoughts of your own.

this was at the time with your name calling match with puppy, which i found quite silly and passed through relatively quickly since I was also working at that time. I've given reads at this point, so that answers that question. I do find your effort to slide in a completely unfounded remark like I'm not "offering up any thoughts of your own" complete cum BS. I'm 100% out in front here pushing your wagon to get people to weigh in, and it's not exactly like it's the most popular position to go after a likely scum who people think is too wreckless to not be town.

As far as I can see, I've directly addressed every other question you've put to me. This again fits with the pattern I identified when I first had a weird twinge about you and voted: You mischaracterize because you are fake scum hunting.

Hi again VP!

it's ur responsibilit to not get NK'd, not mine!

It's your responsibility to be good town. A mild reading between the lines of my words, which you accurately did, revealed where my head was at about possible busing. My point was there wasn't a benefit to the town making that more explicit there than it needed to be.

Quick: Blair is saying you were lying because you, on 3 separate occasions, claimed you purposely post enigmatically/mysteriously, and then in the 4th post claimed that you were NOT trying to be cryptic, which totally contradicts the previous 3 posts

Blair: I think that Quick both meant what he said the first 3 times, and what he said with that last bit, because A: the part about him NOT trying to be cryptic was referring to a very specific subset of his posts, and B: he sometimes owns the fact that he's unintentionally cryptic because he doesn't explain his theories well enough, but sometimes he also says that this happens because he's intentionally being mysterious. It's the sort of thing that has gotten him mislynched many a time. I think that if you're going to scum read him, you have to go a bit deeper than surface contradictions.

Major town points on Nauci here for me. I had been eyeing her carefully, but only town would defuse this pointless fight that well. Not looking great for you iDany.

Atarashi are more likely town than scum

What led you to determine this before he has come back today and responded to the scum reads on him?

Atarashi won me over with his initial flurry. Obviously I could be wrong and I want to hear more from him. But I got solid town vibes from what i have seen.

Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

Two things here. First, the fighting between them later definitely enforced my sense of TvT. Second, the point of me asking that question was to try to get Quick to articulate his case, which at that point felt very flimsy and undefined (at one point his reasoning to Puppy was that Blair seemed "off" because Puppy said she was good). I had hoped that by asking Quick to explain, he would be forced to acknowledge the case was weak and he might move on to a more productive path. I'll admit i did not have thorough follow through, in part because Quick's playstyle is a little exhausting for me to read.

Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

So at the time of this question, Blair’s VC was 2, NPOM and Quick. NPOM voted Blair way back in 189. Quick voted Blair closer to this post in 270 while baiting “feel free to ask me for my reasoning” which makes me believe that VP Baltar is directing the above at Quick.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

this is what i was talking about when i said i was waiting for juicy/tasty posts. atarashi is not off the hook, but VOTE: VP

I am jack's complete lack of surprise at this vote.

-Among active people, I think my biggest suspicion is on VP, as he seems to be trying to jump on minor more obvious things people say

Oh really? elaborate on this please..because literally just above in this post, you literally sheep my reasoning for voting votato...which is that he mischaracterizes posts.

for reference:

Also not a fan of 301 when he misinterprets what puppy is saying

And then there is this hilarious turn:

OK so I can't read today and there's only 1 vote on VP, so let's make it 2

VOTE: VP Baltar

Which is "DINGALINGALING, here comes the scum counter wagon to votato because he can't quite shake the pressure."

mavs and votato had just voted me. In fact, here is WHAT YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID IN THE PREVIOUS POST:

pedit: OK was about to vote and wanted to look for the last vote count first and

2 new votes on VP happened, brb gonna go count

Bold emphasis mine. So you knew there were two votes, and then you immediately cast a vote and tried to avoid any attention for hopping on that scummy as hell wagon by saying "oh I haven't read" and then intentionally misstated the vote count on me so people would believe you hadn't read.

Unvote, Vote: ready2rock

@Blair...

This exists... Any comment on it?

[VP Baltar]

like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?

There are really only two explanations:

1. Gamma is town; Blair is scum with Ready2Rock

2. Blair feels more confident in her Gamma read.

Occam's Razor might be prudent here.

I don't recall so much snark y'day, but ok


@quick - you saying the case on gamma is better for town today or that Blair might be scum on a go nowhere wagon? Or something else I'm not interpreting correctly?

[Blair]

(If anyone thinks I'm scum on a go nowhere wagon, please reaction test me by sheeping me and running the Gamma wagon to L-1)

Quick, you've done it wrong. When you quote a giant wall post you're supposed to give your thoughts on it, THEN ask other people.

Since you didn't, I have no idea which part of it you're asking me about or why.