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[Quick]

like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?

There are really only two explanations:

1. Gamma is town; Blair is scum with Ready2Rock

2. Blair feels more confident in her Gamma read.

Occam's Razor might be prudent here.

I don't recall so much snark y'day, but ok


@quick - you saying the case on gamma is better for town today or that Blair might be scum on a go nowhere wagon? Or something else I'm not interpreting correctly?

Gamma/R2R is never SvS. That is why Blair want to lynch Gamma instead. That is why R2R is a better push rn. Plus that whole lying about the vc is pretty damning I would say. That's a way better thing to push than whatever Blair is pushing about how Gamma is Scummy for being off wagon when the off wagon has a better chance to be on Scum. My read is that Blair is trying to push something creative here and that doesn't really fly when we have a lot of other leads we could follow like Dunn's hammer or mav's flippity floppity on votato. If votato is Town and R2R is Scum then that actually makes it look like there is not a whole lot of coordination going on in Scum Chat if mav is Scum with R2R, which I am not ruling out as I have mav as pretty dead Null at this point. Gamma is like way back in who I would be pushing if I was Blair, I think. Blair as Town I would push myself or R2R and possibly Dunn, but not much on Gamma who really hasn't misstepped much at all so far.

[Quick]

(If anyone thinks I'm scum on a go nowhere wagon, please reaction test me by sheeping me and running the Gamma wagon to L-1)

Quick, you've done it wrong. When you quote a giant wall post you're supposed to give your thoughts on it, THEN ask other people.

Since you didn't, I have no idea which part of it you're asking me about or why.

So you never commented on that post? Is that what you are saying? I was half expecting you to drag up your response to that post you made D1, but there

is

no response to it? That doesn't look good for you then.

:cheers:

[Blair]

You're speaking in riddles again.

If you're town, ask your actual question so I can answer it.

If you're scum, spell it out so at least other people can understand it and sheep your wagon.

Either way, being enigmatic isn't the right move here, it's just annoying.

[Quick]

You're speaking in riddles again.

If you're town, ask your actual question so I can answer it.

If you're scum, spell it out so at least other people can understand it and sheep your wagon.

Either way, being enigmatic isn't the right move here, it's just annoying.

Okay, you are Scummy for distancing yourself from VP's case on R2R. That's what can be inferred in what I posted, but you do you.

[Blair]

"This exists" was supposed to imply all of that?

[Blair]

I referenced VP's case *while talking to you* today discussing why I don't believe VP/R2R can be SvS.

Good luck pretending you forgot that conversation. It literally just happened.

[Quick]

I referenced VP's case *while talking to you* today discussing why I don't believe VP/R2R can be SvS.

Good luck pretending you forgot that conversation. It literally just happened.

How about D1? Did you have anything to say about VP's case on R2R D1? BTW, it still holds up pretty well even with R2R's defense of what there were doing IIRC. So no comment on the actual CASE on R2R then?

That's

a straightforward question.

[Blair]

Technically that's three questions.

1. Day 1 I was open to an R2R lynch, and said as much multiple times.

2. Yes, I said I agreed that it appeared he had lied about the vote count. See #1.

3. The case was strong enough for early Day 1, but we have significantly more information now and R2R's defense was the exact defense I referenced on Day 1 (when I said I could only think of one possible excuse), so I'm not sure if it was really a lie.

Do you realize how easy it is to play this little game you're playing? I can pluck things out of context and ask vague, leading questions, too. (Your ISO is rife with them, for instance you've stated a billion times today you believe the optimal lynch is someone you are not voting for)

I'm not doing it because it's not genuine scumhunting, and because today we are pushing Gamma.

[Gammagooey]

866 - I’m not sure I like Gamma jumping right on the opportunity to jump on the next most popular wagon from yesterday in me. Feels like wanting to push the scumread on me to end the day even faster on day 2. Kind of similar for Mavs jumping and suddenly shifting to reading votato as scum, but gamma jumps out to me more since I’m 100% in my town alignment, vs only leaning town-neutral on votato, plus mavs later shifts back on this, which feels genuine

This is a dumb minor thing but you pretty clearly don't like my vote on you, phrasing it as "I'm not sure I like this" is just trying to look more ambivalent than you really are

Me voting you isn't a new thing caused by you being the other major wagon yesterday - I voted you yesterday initially because it felt like you glossed over VPB's reasons for voting votato while it seemed like you also didn't like votato's play for a really similar reason. You posted this:

Spoiler: ready's 403

OK hey everyone

-Overall thoughts on votato are that I don't love some of the things he's saying, for instance, I find it kind of amusing how in post 80 he's talking about how there's "so many votes to place" and that he's suspicious of a ton of people, then a few pages later keeps repeatedly insisting that it's way too early to determine anything. Also not a fan of 301 when he misinterprets what puppy is saying. On the other hand, his overall style and tone feels too abrasive and overly defensive, which I feel like would be really bad for scum to do this early. Not sure what to make of him atm.

-Agreed on Quick v Blair being TvT

-Do agree that more scum may be hiding among the more inactive, and yes I realize that's coming from me leave me alone it's been a long day and I'm tired

-Among active people, I think my biggest suspicion is on VP, as he seems to be trying to jump on minor more obvious things people say

pedit: OK was about to vote and wanted to look for the last vote count first and 2 new votes on VP happened, brb gonna go count

and VPB had just posted this maybe 3 or so pages earlier

Spoiler: VPB's 324

Can u elaborate on the exact moment when u decided this was for u a serious vote?

I have, but happy to repeat myself. My vote on him happened here:

VOTE: Puppy

Be advised, I have exited RVS.

in that case: justification? hopping on a wagon without justification post RVS seems bad

*Checks vote count before this*

A wagon you say?

unvote: puppy
Vote: votato

And my reasoning was him accusing Blair of jumping on a Puppy "wagon"...which was just my RVS vote (see above). It wasn't a wagon. Felt like a scummy way to characterize it at the time, so I moved my vote. Since then, I've gained some good reads by continuing push people and votato to take more concrete positions.

Did/Do you think that VPB's reason of votato mischaracterizing a wagon is substantially different/scummier than you thinking that votato could be scum for misrepresenting what Puppy said? It felt weird to me that you two both had what I saw as similar reasons to scumread votato and you dismissed VPB's when voting him.

[ready2rock]

@Quick/Blair: was there anything deeper behind your motivation to push each other so much aside from your suspicion of each other?

Uh, this is what he asked though. Weren't you guys fake tunneling on each other to try to catch scum?

That was my thought in skimming through thread again, at least as a possibility, glad someone else might've gotten that impression

[Blair]

Wow, you, like, totally stole Midway's 998.

[ready2rock]

@Gamma The difference there is that I haven't scumread votato all game, I considered those minor phrasing things in my analysis of him, but said I wasn't sure what to make of him because he's also done other things that I like, and put him on my neutral list later. People who are saying I'm scumreading him are mischaracterizing what I actually said.

The issue I have with the vote is the timing. You posted it right when the day started, with no comment on the NK or the flip at all, and from my perspective makes it feel like scum trying to push another fast mislynch on a wagon that they know had traction yesterday.

VOTE: Gammagooey

Pedit @Blair: And now I'm stealing your content by voting gamma, you happy?

[Gammagooey]

@Blair - I'm going to make the assumption that you're town for this post for the sake of not convoluting it with hypotheticals

You are/were right that my argument for NPOM being town because he had a better reason to vote r2r than 'he was one of the three non-active people voting VPB' was wrong/flawed/whatever you want to call it. I thought I saw him see the same thing I did in r2r's posts and immediately vote r2r for it and I assumed he gave that reason for his vote with the implication that he thought r2r was the scummiest of the three he mentioned when there wasn't actually anything he said to really back that up.

In retrospect I probably should have actually posted something to say that at the time when NPOM ultimately cleared it up near my last post of game-day yesterday instead of logging off but at the time I felt like saying 'hey I was totally wrong but I'm still not confident in NPOM flipping scum but I need to re-evaluate him I guess' wouldn't have actually added anything useful to the conversation. I doubt this will change your opinion of me but I am town who made a dumb assumption on behalf of someone I thought was town and I think you can see why if you look through my iso alongside NPOMs.

[ready2rock]

NPOM's reason for voting me was that he decided about 24-48 hours into the game that I was lurking. And then some terrible meta argument that I couldn't even follow. Am I missing something here? You claim he had some solid reason

[Quick]

I am beginning to feel that Town is in a really bad spot and maybe R2R just has a really Scummy meta...

[Quick]

@Blair - I'm going to make the assumption that you're town for this post for the sake of not convoluting it with hypotheticals

You are/were right that my argument for NPOM being town because he had a better reason to vote r2r than 'he was one of the three non-active people voting VPB' was wrong/flawed/whatever you want to call it. I thought I saw him see the same thing I did in r2r's posts and immediately vote r2r for it and I assumed he gave that reason for his vote with the implication that he thought r2r was the scummiest of the three he mentioned when there wasn't actually anything he said to really back that up.

In retrospect I probably should have actually posted something to say that at the time when NPOM ultimately cleared it up near my last post of game-day yesterday instead of logging off but at the time I felt like saying 'hey I was totally wrong but I'm still not confident in NPOM flipping scum but I need to re-evaluate him I guess' wouldn't have actually added anything useful to the conversation. I doubt this will change your opinion of me but I am town who made a dumb assumption on behalf of someone I thought was town and I think you can see why if you look through my iso alongside NPOMs.

Yeah, but it's a chain argument that I really don't like...

"Lurkers on such and such means that such and such is Town. As such, lurkers are Scum because so and so is Town. So I will vote the player that voted such and such last because they are Scummiest for being on that wagon."

It's both convoluted logic based on generalities AND makes assumptions without probing before voting.

[votato]

how are people not pressuring midway yet? midway's scum meta is to coast by fluffposting and posting IIoA. midway has been lurking and is now posting pure fluff/mild sheeps.
VOTE: midway

is anyone else having trouble reading quick and blair's posts? i just glaze over.

[Quick]

how are people not pressuring midway yet? midway's scum meta is to coast by fluffposting and posting IIoA. midway has been lurking and is now posting pure fluff/mild sheeps.
VOTE: midway

is anyone else having trouble reading quick and blair's posts? i just glaze over.

Your content is pretty Town motivated, I have to say. I will actually take you up on this rn!

VOTE: midway

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 2.2

Gammagooey

(3): Blair, Dunnstral, ready2rock

ready2rock

(2): Gammagooey, mavsfan41

midwaybear

(2): votato, Quick

Not Voting

(4): CantLynchAPuppy, Atarashi Hajimari, VP Baltar, midwaybear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)

Notes:

• Atarashi Hajimari has (expired on 2020-05-21 13:06:00) to pick up their prod from yesterday.

[Quick]

VOTE: R2R

[votato]

VOTE: R2R

your midway vote didnt last long... what happened there?

[Quick]

VOTE: R2R

your midway vote didnt last long... what happened there?

I'd kinda prefer Gamma not getting lynched and I really don't like any of the people voting there. Not because I dislike those people, just that I think they all have a pretty decent chance at being Scum here.

[Quick]

Also, I doubt people will follow us on midway at this time and I really don't deserve to lead another lynch this phase.

[ready2rock]

VOTE: R2R

your midway vote didnt last long... what happened there?

I'd kinda prefer Gamma not getting lynched and I really don't like any of the people voting there. Not because I dislike those people, just that I think they all have a pretty decent chance at being Scum here.

These posts were about an hour apart though with literally a vote count in between, why this sudden conclusion?

[Quick]

VOTE: R2R

your midway vote didnt last long... what happened there?

I'd kinda prefer Gamma not getting lynched and I really don't like any of the people voting there. Not because I dislike those people, just that I think they all have a pretty decent chance at being Scum here.

These posts were about an hour apart though with literally a vote count in between, why this sudden conclusion?

Oh, I also replied to Gamma and didn't get a response. Also, Midway didn't react at all to my vote on them or they went to sleep or something. It wasn't really doing anything. I still have midway as pretty Null and I would much rather vote for you. You actually gave a reaction.