Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3550 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:31 pm

In post 3533, Alisae wrote:
In post 3531, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3529, Alisae wrote:
In post 3525, Raven Branwen wrote:Scum can’t NK their buddies
is this a rule
I’ve never seen a game where this has happened but I want the mod to confirm it just in case. Wouldn’t that make the game bastard?
its how i got my don corleone win in 2017 and ABR did it in that same year. He shot Kuribo and we won the game

So you’re saying it’s actually possible that Ame could be scum here?

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3551 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:33 pm

In post 3536, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3526, Raven Branwen wrote:If he hadn’t claimed to vig Farkset with no CC, I’d 100% be with you on this but scum!Ame can’t kill Farkset or this game is insane.
Wait...
Actually, what happened to Farkset?

They got treestumped.

This means whatever killed them is
not the mafia factional kill
.
There is actually no gurantee that this treestump wasn`t compulsive.
If Ame is scum, what were her options?
Kill a scumbuddy and get towncred...
or kill a townie and not only get less towncred but
also get a permanent unkillable IC into this game
!
Why was Raya the kill?
To obfuscate that Ame is still alive by making a nonsense kill!
And we followed her blindly, like sheep...
VOTE: Ame

That is true but I’m still having trouble wrapping my brain around this.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3552 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:35 pm

In post 3550, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3533, Alisae wrote:
In post 3531, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3529, Alisae wrote:
In post 3525, Raven Branwen wrote:Scum can’t NK their buddies
is this a rule
I’ve never seen a game where this has happened but I want the mod to confirm it just in case. Wouldn’t that make the game bastard?
its how i got my don corleone win in 2017 and ABR did it in that same year. He shot Kuribo and we won the game
So you’re saying it’s actually possible that Ame could be scum here?

What Ame had was not a standard Mafia nightkill. It was a treestump. Even if mafia is unable to perform the standard nightkill on their buddies... then that doesn`t mean that a mafia with a 1-shot treestump is unable to treestump their buddies(especially as treestumping town has negative consequences)

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3553 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:36 pm

In post 3548, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3547, Raven Branwen wrote:I would only venge Ame, no one else because he’s scumsiding by lynching obvtown Creature.
You cant. They got a lot of xp due to gifting people.

What if I refuse to venge anyone? What would happen then?

Alisae · Post Post #3554 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:36 pm

In post 3546, Not Known 15 wrote:Look, upgrade can be done at any time during the day. You are informed about the result at the end of the day. This means that upgrade is instant, you just have no idea what you are until the phase ends.
Me having 0 xp due to this simply means if you want to get rid of me lynch someone else who is suspect and let them vengekill me.

Stop making excuses and just cancel it

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3555 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:37 pm

In post 3554, Alisae wrote:Stop making excuses and just cancel it

I cannot cancel it.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3556 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 pm

The rules explicitely say that it is instant:

During any day or night, any player may PM us to spend some XP to upgrade their role. Each role has a different unique upgrade, and each role has an upgrade cost that is between 2 and 4 (and is known to the player). When a player
upgrades during a phase
, they will learn their new role at the end of that phase.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3557 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:40 pm

And even if I

could

and the mod tells me that it is a bad wording in the rules...

I won`t.

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3558 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:40 pm

In post 3552, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3550, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3533, Alisae wrote:
In post 3531, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3529, Alisae wrote:
In post 3525, Raven Branwen wrote:Scum can’t NK their buddies
is this a rule
I’ve never seen a game where this has happened but I want the mod to confirm it just in case. Wouldn’t that make the game bastard?
its how i got my don corleone win in 2017 and ABR did it in that same year. He shot Kuribo and we won the game
So you’re saying it’s actually possible that Ame could be scum here?
What Ame had was not a standard Mafia nightkill. It was a treestump. Even if mafia is unable to perform the standard nightkill on their buddies... then that doesn`t mean that a mafia with a 1-shot treestump is unable to treestump their buddies(especially as treestumping town has negative consequences)

Ame has 100% been scumsiding. He has tried to wagon town: Hectic, Raya, Creature, me. Is Ame’s horrible play here means he could be scum?

But what is really super weird to me is how Ame is still alive. Why does scum kill Raya > him?

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3559 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:42 pm

Am I crazy for considering it actually could be Ame? NK15 sounds really town as does TSE.

Someone tell me.

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3560 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:53 pm

In post 3559, Raven Branwen wrote:Am I crazy for considering it actually could be Ame? NK15 sounds really town as does TSE.

Someone tell me.

@Titus, @PB, do you think this is possible? Ame is acting the scummiest today and yesterday but I auto assumed he just had to be bad town because of Farkset.

Alisae · Post Post #3561 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:58 pm

In post 3555, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3554, Alisae wrote:Stop making excuses and just cancel it
I cannot cancel it.

You are lieing

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3562 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:59 pm

@mod, can scum kill a buddy if it happens outside of the factional kill?

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3563 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:03 pm

In post 3561, Alisae wrote:
In post 3555, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3554, Alisae wrote:Stop making excuses and just cancel it
I cannot cancel it.
You are lieing

@mod can an upgrade be cancelled once you receive the request?

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3564 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:10 pm

In post 3561, Alisae wrote:
In post 3555, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3554, Alisae wrote:Stop making excuses and just cancel it
I cannot cancel it.
You are lieing

I haven`t tried it, and I

won`t

. It would be pro-scum to cancel upgrade.

Alisae · Post Post #3565 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:18 pm

In post 3564, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3561, Alisae wrote:
In post 3555, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 3554, Alisae wrote:Stop making excuses and just cancel it
I cannot cancel it.
You are lieing
I haven`t tried it, and I
won`t
. It would be pro-scum to cancel upgrade.

Not if we lynch u

Alisae · Post Post #3566 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:21 pm

That literally just reads as I don’t want to
Even if I make something up along the lines of “you’re lieing” like I did (because knowing SS I think you would be able to cancel it), for whatever reason, you just don’t want to, and I am trying to expose that.

Alisae · Post Post #3567 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:23 pm

Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3568 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:44 pm

In post 3566, Alisae wrote:That literally just reads as I don’t want to
Even if I make something up along the lines of “you’re lieing” like I did (because knowing SS I think you would be able to cancel it), for whatever reason, you just don’t want to, and I am trying to expose that.

yeah why should I cancel? It just denies town info on flip.

Titus · Post Post #3569 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:52 pm

Ame could be theoretically be scum but it's not worth discussing until lylo. Being wrong =/= being scum.

Not Known 15 · Post Post #3570 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:53 pm

In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.

No it is...
today we lynch then there is a vengekill and a nightkill and its 1v4.
then another lynch and a vengekill. Then IF mafia can do another nightkill it is over(dont forget that that one costs 1 xp)
If not it goes to another lynch and a vengekill.
vs.
today we lynch and if there is a kill its 1v5
then another lynch and another kill it is 1v3
then we capture and... the captured person gets killed resulting in 1v2 without confirmed town.
That`s 4 checks plus potentially 2 others... vs 4 checks...

Titus · Post Post #3571 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:55 pm

It's probably nk15 or ABR anyway but I won't vote ABR with the big shot up in case I am wrong.

Titus · Post Post #3572 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:55 pm

*big = venge

Titus · Post Post #3573 (ISO) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:56 pm

VOTE: no

Raven Branwen · Post Post #3574 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 12:18 am

In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.

Good vote, this is why I think PB is town, we don’t need to help scum when they already get to NK.