lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

[popopopopopopo]

thanks for getting on midway tho!

[Nahdia]

(the implication is that i think you're bussing)

[popopopopopopo]

????

[popopopopopopo]

ok lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am still reading, but let us get this out of the way:

VOTE: bob3141

I do not care about the meta. This is about the falseness, the whole everyone is wrong on their reads, that his bad posts are somehow prodges, and that once he landed in hot water, suddenly he is sorting farside22 as town, no problems here, no sir.

I will check out the midwaybear situation and defend my former vote on word321 in time.

All of this.
Idk why Albert claims the Bob wagon is so much weaker than the Midway wagon. This shit valid yo.
Anyway, i will not shed tears if Midway is lynched in the end. But this is a decent counterwagon either way. And that is always valuable for town once game get’s more flips.
VOTE: Bob3141

[NorwegianboyEE]

Someone is trying to pocket me and i will find out who!

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i’m low-key a bit salty about ABR calling me not the greatest player and now i wanna solve hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

votato can you explain your townreads

abr why am i town to you?

tia

VOTE: midwaybear

I’m curious why your earlier posts seem to indicate support for Bob being scum, yet you end up voting Midway? What was your progression here?

[ManateeDude]

Im gonna reread the thread bc its 3 in the morning and sleep is quite overrated imo

[NorwegianboyEE]

My basic stance on Bob/Midway wagons right now is that i believe Midways response to allegations was bad, but i could see it being town bad. Like he got a huge case dumped on him out of nowhere attacking his playstyle, that’s hard to respond at. Meanwhile Bob has been much more scummy, his responses has felt like his mask was slipping. He both townreads and scumreads Farside22. I think his real town response here would be to either tunnel Farside for perceived scummy push or see it as a town push and ignore it to find better ground to hunt. Instead we get what seems to be pure frustration at being scumread and not much else. Like gut just says to me strongly that this is a scummy AF reaction.

[farside22]

bob and nahdia didn't try to get you lynched for no reason.

And nahdia didnt vite for me.

i mean technically i did

Votato, who are your current townreads?

ABR, hoctac, popopopo?, schadd_, gobble

this is a truly odd townread list.

505 is true.
norway is right that bob cares more about other peoples' read on him than gamesolving. agree with p much all of 521.

Spoiler: responding quickly to popopo's case on me

also hate how nahdia says they are townreading too many people, feels like scum trying to be friendly and make everyone feel comfortable around them. do not like.

i actually said the exact opposite. read again:

game is strange. normally i feel like im townreading too many people and have to adjust, now i feel like im scumreading too many people. who would like to be part of the townbloc? apply now.

the buddying thing i dont really have a response to. it's valid but just in this case not right.

no way nahdia didnt read the damn thread before the first post made voting word.

i mean i had read hte whole thing? not sure i see your point here. i wasn't tryna be like "oh what a pleasant surprise" i was just outing a townlean on farside based on similar reads. sorry if mmy WHIMSY offended you

kind of mixed on popopo. i agree midwaybear is scummy for his lack of reads but a lot of the stuff popopo latches onto in his case just feels like textbook overjustification.

I Am Going To Be Very Suspicious if popopopopo suddenly loses interest in midwaybear.

Going to say I find these post gross. Again I don't see why a player can't change there reads. And suddenly your calling popopo out for bussing his buddy?
I find it hard to believe that you think scum bus that hard day 1.

It is a midwaybear push now, did the bob3141 train not get enough steam?

Last I looked you still liked word. Not that I disagree with both as scum.

1) Those games were just the ones i started with the first list toward the bottom here I listed 4 town games and a few scum games. I will ask you what I asked him. How is picking all those games cherry picking?
2) players can lie about self meta and if others see a difference are they lying too?
3) meta is a thing that you can use here. You can't use on going games.

This is pages back, so if this is not relevant anymore, my bad.

It was from among the games you chose that bob3141 responded that a player could pull a different spin from the same content and gave examples. I want you to admit that different people can make different interpretations from the same content. Some interpretations might better represent a player's meta than others, and that is what I wanted to highlight. While I am sure, farside22, that you have your stance on bob3141, I would ask that other people who responded to the wagon also look at bob3141's own take and ask themselves which interpretation feels better. I have the luxury of being able to see the counterargument prior to debating whether to vote, but others lacked that chance.

Yeah, people can use meta; I do not know why they would want that.

Pedit: ???

Well I do agree that players can do that. I have done that and even have manipulated the meta in the past. I will even push that meta aside and say okay ignore the meta. Here are what I know.

*puts on educators hat*
Scum tend to be more aggressive earlier then town. For some reason many a player I run across that act as bob did to latch onto something so trivial and call it scummy, comes from scum. It gives them a diving board where they can ignore the game as a whole while still looking like they are scum hunting. Which bob has done thus far.
In conclusion I based my knowledge and looked to see if said player was aggressive early to verify those facts and concluded bob to be scum.
Thank you.
*takes hat off*

I am still reading, but let us get this out of the way:

VOTE: bob3141

I do not care about the meta. This is about the falseness, the whole everyone is wrong on their reads, that his bad posts are somehow prodges, and that once he landed in hot water, suddenly he is sorting farside22 as town, no problems here, no sir.

I will check out the midwaybear situation and defend my former vote on word321 in time.

I'll take the vote.

If bob3141 is scum, farside22 is town, popopopopopopo is still a questionable (null) version of me, and I might have to move Albert B. Rampage to a more null state. NorwegianBoyEE is town, not just a lean.

I wish you said more about players or your scum reads at the very least.

[farside22]

By the way as a side funny note, my son is learning about inferences in text and I started laughing as I thought about playing this game and how many inferences we make. Hence the educator stick.

Back to work I have to get my midway notes together.

*sigh*

[farside22]

Spoiler:

hum, that post seems more townie than scummy than me
idk how good my tone reading is though

I like what he is doing so far. He is clarifying stuff and also trying to scumhunt(votato)
He said he was really good at scum though, but I still tl stan1ey

still not buying it
however, the one hole in my meta defense is that I have never seen a word scumgame

actually after checking some meta the word wagon is fine

I don’t like this

VOTE: Hoctac

Why dnt u like this? Whats ur take on Trecko?

His meta defense made no sense. He said that he found you to be natural in your past games, but then said that you were less natural in this game. First of all, most people found you to be more formal in your posting style not natural. Second, if you are playing different from your meta, how can he like your defense?

i see the same awkwardness in newbie 1999 where word was town that I see here. im not gonna get hung up on defending him tho

Who do you want to bandwagon then?

i dont really know. word ive said my piece on. manatee was caught in a strange contradiction but im not sure theres much else there. pick someone

I thought madonna's vote was pretty bad. Wanna lynch her?

VOTE: Madonna
oh yeah

So my town lean was based on the beginning of the game. He made a few stances and disagreed with votes. I thought his vote on Madonna came from the comment that Abr made about her vote and he joined the wagon.
Reading midway in iso it's easy to see his post are lacking and he reads lost and uncertain from my prospective. Not a scum tell with a newb to this site, I found 1 completed game as scum
So I just see the differences. He sure was more vocal that game and willing to put his reads on notice. *makes note for future games*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stamp of approval on those latest posts by Farside22.

Now let’s wrap this up. We all know Bob is scum, move on to day 2?

[stan1ey]

Two good lunches available happy with either and I have some town reads on either but overall I'd prefer bob

VOTE: bob

Which leaves them even at:

Bob(6):farside22, NorwegianboyEE, Aloratom, gobble, madonna, 1ey

Midway(6):manatee, popo, hoctac, alber, ndmath, nahdia

[midwaybear]

People said that scum me was not really putting out reads though lol. They said I was asking too many questions and reeked uncertainty

[Nahdia]

Going to say I find these post gross. Again I don't see why a player can't change there reads. And suddenly your calling popopo out for bussing his buddy?
I find it hard to believe that you think scum bus that hard day 1.

what

players can change their reads. changing reads can be towny. but scum often change their reads when they make a case on a partner to create distance, and towntell in the process.
and i think it's pretty transparent that my point was to try and make popopo stick to midway. it WAS a threat

votato can you explain your townreads

abr why am i town to you?

tia

VOTE: midwaybear

I’m curious why your earlier posts seem to indicate support for Bob being scum, yet you end up voting Midway? What was your progression here?

id be okay with a bob lynch. but im more confident about their being scum in midway/popopo. we get more info on the later lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

id be okay with a bob lynch. but im more confident about their being scum in midway/popopo. we get more info on the later lynch.

I'm more confident about midway though. Don't leave me!

[midwaybear]

They are voting for me lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

abr why am i town to you?

Should you not be?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Abandon ABR in that cold looking shelter over there, and join the GOOD wagon.

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Bob
Sure

[Aloratom]

It's day 1. We're going to have info with either. Plus night actions to supplement tomorrow's decision. It looks like there are decent cases for both. I think Bob is acting weird as hell, and I think that's the stronger case rn.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but im more confident about their being scum in midway/popopo.

Wtf is this?

[stan1ey]

VOTE: Bob
Sure

Dunno if its helpful info or not but bob is currently voting for Madonna and he hasnt changed that vote since post 198