Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Titus]

VOTE: Yes

I am in favor. The goal is to create conftown, I'm in.

I have 3 XP, sabotaged night 1.

[Titus]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

XP list:
Pink Ball -
Albert B. Rampage - 5
TrueSoulEnergy -
Alisae -
Raven Branwen -
Not Known 15 - 4
Titus - 3
Ame -

[Raven Branwen]

We can even confirm that somebody didn`t lie about the xp they have! And because scum died Night 1/Day 2 they cannot have gotten ANY xp from their scumpartners(Yes Farkran is a treestump but all treestumps can do is talk, they cannot perform actions).

@mod, is it possible for scum to have transferred XP to a buddy?

Yes; through the Gift public mechanic, or if they have a role-based or factional ability that allows it.

There has only been 2 NKs so far and my theory that makes Titus/Hectic’s sabotage likely true, is that based on Knight’s extremely suspicious claim wrt to his XP, it seems to suggest that he did the FotC kill.

[Raven Branwen]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

What? You were opposed to Ame lynching me before. What changed? And you know there’s only one player who can do that, which is of course ABR.

[Raven Branwen]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

What? You were opposed to Ame lynching me before. What changed? And you know there’s only one player who can do that, which is of course ABR.

Why do you need me to actually die to confirm me? When did you change your read on me? I’m starting to have doubts on you, because how is this a townie thought or are you that eager to lynch ABR? Because he is the only one who can shoot me.

[Not Known 15]

We can even confirm that somebody didn`t lie about the xp they have! And because scum died Night 1/Day 2 they cannot have gotten ANY xp from their scumpartners(Yes Farkran is a treestump but all treestumps can do is talk, they cannot perform actions).

@mod, is it possible for scum to have transferred XP to a buddy?

Yes; through the Gift public mechanic, or if they have a role-based or factional ability that allows it.

There has only been 2 NKs so far and my theory that makes Titus/Hectic’s sabotage likely true, is that based on Knight’s extremely suspicious claim wrt to his XP, it seems to suggest that he did the FotC kill.

Hm. It is very unlikely that xp has been transfered during Night 1. All scum but one were dead at the end of Day 2. However, it is STILL a good idea because non-lying town does NOT get shot. Which means that the scenario you made does not apply:
we can do lynch nokill(unless lying scum), with nightkill to 1:5
then lynch vengekill no nightkill(nightkill would be dumb) to 1:3, then lynch and vengekill.
Thats three lynches and two town driven kills plus one potentially deadly xp invest("do you have 4 or more xp?")

[Not Known 15]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

What? You were opposed to Ame lynching me before. What changed? And you know there’s only one player who can do that, which is of course ABR.

Why do you need me to actually die to confirm me? When did you change your read on me? I’m starting to have doubts on you, because how is this a townie thought or are you that eager to lynch ABR? Because he is the only one who can shoot me.

Nah, you dont understand. If you have 4 xp and I do, and I attempt to shoot you you don`t die.
If you have LESS than 4 xp due to being lying scum...well thats another story.

[Raven Branwen]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

Ame, suppose for a moment Raven's town. Would you lynch ABR or NK15? Normally, I would lynch ABR but

I have to have some self preservation knowing there's an innocent on me.

So, you were opposed to lynching ABR when you thought he might venge you but you’re fine with lynching him. if he venges me?

I’m losing my Titus tr now. :/

[Not Known 15]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

Ame, suppose for a moment Raven's town. Would you lynch ABR or NK15? Normally, I would lynch ABR but

I have to have some self preservation knowing there's an innocent on me.

So, you were opposed to lynching ABR when you thought he might venge you but you’re fine with lynching him. if he venges me?

I’m losing my Titus tr now. :/

Do you have 4 xp?

[Pink Ball]

I'm not understanding this plan. What if scum is telling the truth about their remaining XP?

[Raven Branwen]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

What? You were opposed to Ame lynching me before. What changed? And you know there’s only one player who can do that, which is of course ABR.

Why do you need me to actually die to confirm me? When did you change your read on me? I’m starting to have doubts on you, because how is this a townie thought or are you that eager to lynch ABR? Because he is the only one who can shoot me.

Nah, you dont understand. If you have 4 xp and I do, and I attempt to shoot you you don`t die.
If you have LESS than 4 xp due to being lying scum...well thats another story.

I do but I asked for an upgrade, which I’d have to cancel then, but fine.

[Raven Branwen]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

Ame, suppose for a moment Raven's town. Would you lynch ABR or NK15? Normally, I would lynch ABR but

I have to have some self preservation knowing there's an innocent on me.

So, you were opposed to lynching ABR when you thought he might venge you but you’re fine with lynching him. if he venges me?

I’m losing my Titus tr now. :/

Do you have 4 xp?

Yes, I did request an upgrade but I will cancel it if this is the plan. If I die I obviously can’t use it.

[Not Known 15]

I'm not understanding this plan. What if scum is telling the truth about their remaining XP?

The mafia nightkill costs 1 xp. Night 3 kill was done by the remaining scum.
Plus, even if they didnt lie because they got xp from another source - we are doing this mainly to NOT vengekill someone today because that messes up the numbers and costs us a lynch later on, AND a vengekill.

[Not Known 15]

#toolazytocheck

If Raven has 4 XP, I recommend shooting her to soft confirm her as town.

Ame, suppose for a moment Raven's town. Would you lynch ABR or NK15? Normally, I would lynch ABR but

I have to have some self preservation knowing there's an innocent on me.

So, you were opposed to lynching ABR when you thought he might venge you but you’re fine with lynching him. if he venges me?

I’m losing my Titus tr now. :/

Do you have 4 xp?

Yes, I did request an upgrade but I will cancel it if this is the plan. If I die I obviously can’t use it.

Please cancel. If you are scum you got caught(-1 xp) and nightkilled someone(-1xp). You should be definitely dead if you are scum, and not dead if you are town.

[Raven Branwen]

I'm not understanding this plan. What if scum is telling the truth about their remaining XP?

The mafia nightkill costs 1 xp. Night 3 kill was done by the remaining scum.
Plus, even if they didnt lie because they got xp from another source - we are doing this mainly to NOT vengekill someone today because that messes up the numbers and costs us a lynch later on, AND a vengekill.

Okay fine, shoot me then, I just cancelled my upgrade request. Sorry Titus. I clearly misunderstood you.

[Raven Branwen]

I'm not understanding this plan. What if scum is telling the truth about their remaining XP?

The mafia nightkill costs 1 xp. Night 3 kill was done by the remaining scum.
Plus, even if they didnt lie because they got xp from another source - we are doing this mainly to NOT vengekill someone today because that messes up the numbers and costs us a lynch later on, AND a vengekill.

Okay fine, shoot me then, I just cancelled my upgrade request. Sorry Titus. I clearly misunderstood you.

Okay, so it’s obviously not NK15, because he can’t shoot me without being lynched.

[Raven Branwen]

So, if NK15 shoots me I obviously won’t die but he will and I don’t see why scum!him proposes this plan because if scum, he loses, so can someone who actually has a snowball’s chance of actually being scum shoot me instead?

[Raven Branwen]

So, if NK15 shoots me I obviously won’t die but he will and I don’t see why scum!him proposes this plan because if scum, he loses, so can someone who actually has a snowball’s chance of actually being scum shoot me instead?

However if ABR shoots me I actually would die but I’m not scum and obviously neither is NK15 but if he’s onboard with this, I’ll vote venge and him, eventhough it’s pretty damned obvious, he’s flipping town here.

[Pink Ball]

I'm not understanding this plan. What if scum is telling the truth about their remaining XP?

The mafia nightkill costs 1 xp. Night 3 kill was done by the remaining scum.
Plus, even if they didnt lie because they got xp from another source - we are doing this mainly to NOT vengekill someone today because that messes up the numbers and costs us a lynch later on, AND a vengekill.

The second part I agree and I'm into it. The first part is what didn't add up 'cause they could tell the truth about their XP and lie about their role. Or lie about "I didn't train last night", or well many possibilities

[Raven Branwen]

@NK15, do you want me to vote for you and venge?

[Raven Branwen]

@NK15, do you want me to vote for you and venge?

So it’s kind of like a desperado, expect with numbered XP.

[Not Known 15]

The second part I agree and I'm into it. The first part is what didn't add up 'cause they could tell the truth about their XP and lie about their role. Or lie about "I didn't train last night", or well many possibilities

Yes, but Raven was captured Day 1. So thats 2 xp they need to get somewhere(capture+NK) from in addition to 4 claimed xp...

[Not Known 15]

The second part I agree and I'm into it. The first part is what didn't add up 'cause they could tell the truth about their XP and lie about their role. Or lie about "I didn't train last night", or well many possibilities

Yes, but Raven was captured Day 1. So thats 2 xp they need to get somewhere(capture+NK) from in addition to 4 claimed xp...

It is still possible though! We don`t know if scum gets 1 xp every time their partner dies or something dumb like that.

[Not Known 15]

@NK15, do you want me to vote for you and venge?

I first want to see the xp claims from others and how they fit in.
Why are you still voting no to vengeful?