Micro 940: A Normal Blitz II - Game Over

[HoldenGolden]

Holden, summarize your reads on Shiki, it doesn't have to be something big. If you're mechanically town, I think we can work together to solve this.

I actually already have in the Mason PT.

I dont feel Shiki was as much as a force they were in the first blitz game. I feel Shiki is quite passive in numerous posts outside of VCA analysis and tend to display commentary on events rather than direct constant investigation.

Ironically, when compared to chain of command (a scum game of hers), I see this similar tonal aspect as well. I need to revisit the first blitz game to confirm my suspicions as well.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm going to be 99% honest.

If I had a gun I would pick a machine gun so I could just mow down all of you tonight. No survivors.

[clidd]

Expect the way you did it is leading.

You clearly did not know I was confirmed town given your posts at that time. The way you worded it to HEM suggests that I would be furious to lose against him again, which I wouldnt think much of until I factor in HEM earlier concerns of my accusatory tone. That coupled with your expression of me being extra paranoid of HEM doesnt make sense when considering your TvT stance. If I was paranoid and frustrated, shouldnt I be more critical of him.

This is of course your logic when considering a SvS interaction between me and HEM, which begs the obvious question, why ask to begin with? Why ask my supposed scum buddy to gain his reaction rather than pursuing the suspicion with other players? I doubt the scum reaction would of told you anything.

That, and I do not remember you using such language typically as well.



PS. I was scum reading your predecessor.

I think you're underestimating the purpose of my posts. My post was aimed at instigating Monkey's sense of greatness and trying to diminish the cautious instance in the Scum!Monkey scenario, something that is indifferent to your connection with him in the SvS theory I mentioned. I didn't understand your inference.

[clidd]

Holden, summarize your reads on Shiki, it doesn't have to be something big. If you're mechanically town, I think we can work together to solve this.

I actually already have in the Mason PT.

I dont feel Shiki was as much as a force they were in the first blitz game. I feel Shiki is quite passive in numerous posts outside of VCA analysis and tend to display commentary on events rather than direct constant investigation.

Ironically, when compared to chain of command (a scum game of hers), I see this similar tonal aspect as well. I need to revisit the first blitz game to confirm my suspicions as well.

And Umlaut, what is your impression of him ?

[shiki]

I dont feel Shiki was as much as a force they were in the first blitz game. I feel Shiki is quite passive in numerous posts outside of VCA analysis and tend to display commentary on events rather than direct constant investigation.

i think perhaps what you are picking up on here is my frustration with myself and with mafia in general. i only played this game to honor my pre-in and because it was a blitz game. at the time of the first blitz game i hadn't yet been notably wrong so many times. i don't have any idea how to get anyone to listen to me here and i'm not even sure if they should. this games feels identical to hungarian 2 to me, in which i was sure eve was scum on day 1 someone else was lynched and i was sure eve was scum on day 2 and i was ignored and then i was nightkilled. the only difference seems to be that i am alive for day 3. a very large part of me wants to simply vote for umlaut. i can bear the weight of being wrong again and that feels preferable to being ignored if i am right.

[shiki]

i feel like hoctac's gambit basically caught us one mafia and gave us two confirmed town on day two and still we're in this position.

[HoldenGolden]

Expect the way you did it is leading.

You clearly did not know I was confirmed town given your posts at that time. The way you worded it to HEM suggests that I would be furious to lose against him again, which I wouldnt think much of until I factor in HEM earlier concerns of my accusatory tone. That coupled with your expression of me being extra paranoid of HEM doesnt make sense when considering your TvT stance. If I was paranoid and frustrated, shouldnt I be more critical of him.

This is of course your logic when considering a SvS interaction between me and HEM, which begs the obvious question, why ask to begin with? Why ask my supposed scum buddy to gain his reaction rather than pursuing the suspicion with other players? I doubt the scum reaction would of told you anything.

That, and I do not remember you using such language typically as well.



PS. I was scum reading your predecessor.

I think you're underestimating the purpose of my posts. My post was aimed at instigating Monkey's sense of greatness and trying to

diminish the cautious instance in the Scum!Monkey

scenario, something that is indifferent to your connection with him in the SvS theory I mentioned. I didn't understand your inference.

Do you not think then he was aggressive enough in his interactions with Hiraki?

[HoldenGolden]

i feel like hoctac's gambit basically caught us one mafia and gave us two confirmed town on day two and still we're in this position.

I'll admit amiss everything I did forget that post.

Do not feel so bad as either alignment. Being wrong is fully fine, and that's the point of a game like mafia. Merely learning how to turn errors on each alignment into new abilities is what important.

I'll take your statement at face value and believe you. Is there a section if Hoctac's gambit that outs who he was (which was the grevience I had in the PT). Was the game reference it?

What do you make of ulamants stance during the Hiraki wagon?

[clidd]

I superficially read his aggression in the game. My intention was based on specific information that I had absorbed from a quick reading of the game. Generally, I expected Scum!Monkey to act cautiously by default when answering me.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm going to be straight; I refuse to believe the NK was just a random choice. Datisi expression of tone in the later half of day 2 would make him a much more optional choice to bring into mylo/lylo than me. Well scum, guess what? You got my attention. You are now locked with a naked mason covered head to toe in honey, ready to wrestle you into submission! You have effectively locked yourself in mylo with an insane devil!

You, scum, have 8 hours to concede and maintain some honor left in your miserable lifes.

"Oh Holden, why would we concede? We are too busy mocking you in our shitty tin can we call a scum PT."

WELL, I say to you rotten pieces of crap that I may not solve this game correctly. You may very well have a victory. But I will make the next 72hours a living hell hole! I will finish my investigation into the noble Datisi's death and then proceed to SLAM this thread with extremely prejudiced and cold hearted LOGIC! This game will quickly soar to the heavens in post count as I turn up every virtual ROCK UNTIL I BUILD A TOWER JUST SO I CAN TIP THAT TOWER ONTO YOUR SCUMMY HEADS!

AHAGAGHAHAHAHGAHHAHAVAGAHHGAHAHAHAV

[HoldenGolden]

I superficially read his aggression in the game. My intention was based on specific information that I had absorbed from a quick reading of the game. Generally, I expected Scum!Monkey to act cautiously by default when answering me.

Based on what example?

Do you think that defensiveness is represented in his intial push day one on me?

[clidd]

I'm going to be straight; I refuse to believe the NK was just a random choice. Datisi expression of tone in the later half of day 2 would make him a much more optional choice to bring into mylo/lylo than me. Well scum, guess what? You got my attention. You are now locked with a naked mason covered head to toe in honey, ready to wrestle you into submission! You have effectively locked yourself in mylo with an insane devil!

You, scum, have 8 hours to concede and maintain some honor left in your miserable lifes.

"Oh Holden, why would we concede? We are too busy mocking you in our shitty tin can we call a scum PT."

WELL, I say to you rotten pieces of crap that I may not solve this game correctly. You may very well have a victory. But I will make the next 72hours a living hell hole! I will finish my investigation into the noble Datisi's death and then proceed to SLAM this thread with extremely prejudiced and cold hearted LOGIC! This game will quickly soar to the heavens in post count as I turn up every virtual ROCK UNTIL I BUILD A TOWER JUST SO I CAN TIP THAT TOWER ONTO YOUR SCUMMY HEADS!

AHAGAGHAHAHAHGAHHAHAVAGAHHGAHAHAHAV

Same as you did on Newbie 1996 after I replaced out of the game ?

[HoldenGolden]

I'm going to be straight; I refuse to believe the NK was just a random choice. Datisi expression of tone in the later half of day 2 would make him a much more optional choice to bring into mylo/lylo than me. Well scum, guess what? You got my attention. You are now locked with a naked mason covered head to toe in honey, ready to wrestle you into submission! You have effectively locked yourself in mylo with an insane devil!

You, scum, have 8 hours to concede and maintain some honor left in your miserable lifes.

"Oh Holden, why would we concede? We are too busy mocking you in our shitty tin can we call a scum PT."

WELL, I say to you rotten pieces of crap that I may not solve this game correctly. You may very well have a victory. But I will make the next 72hours a living hell hole! I will finish my investigation into the noble Datisi's death and then proceed to SLAM this thread with extremely prejudiced and cold hearted LOGIC! This game will quickly soar to the heavens in post count as I turn up every virtual ROCK UNTIL I BUILD A TOWER JUST SO I CAN TIP THAT TOWER ONTO YOUR SCUMMY HEADS!

AHAGAGHAHAHAHGAHHAHAVAGAHHGAHAHAHAV

Same as you did on Newbie 1996 after I replaced out of the game ?

Worse. I may even bring back gay erotica writing to further the game state.

I'm working on a NK theory right now but I'm about to get hit by a thunderstorm.

[clidd]

[clidd]

I'll take a break here, see you later.

[shiki]

Is there a section if Hoctac's gambit that outs who he was (which was the grevience I had in the PT). Was the game reference it?

my realization that hoctac was hectic was a joke referencing my earlier post saying i thought hoctac was familiar to me but i couldn't put my finger on who. i assumed from the name and the playstyle but this:

hello friends!

or should i say,

hi guys i am town

confirmed it to me as it is a reference to a game datisi and i played together that i talked to hectic about while we were hydraing together.

What do you make of ulamants stance during the Hiraki wagon?

i thought he was staying open and pseudopushing umlaut. like he was fine with the lynch but he'd be fine with any other lynch too.

[shiki]

this:

here is the post: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11669803

[shiki]

pseudopushing umlaut.

*hiraki

[HoldenGolden]

Is there a section if Hoctac's gambit that outs who he was (which was the grevience I had in the PT). Was the game reference it?

my realization that hoctac was hectic was a joke referencing my earlier post saying i thought hoctac was familiar to me but i couldn't put my finger on who. i assumed from the name and the playstyle but this:

hello friends!

or should i say,

hi guys i am town

confirmed it to me as it is a reference to a game datisi and i played together that i talked to hectic about while we were hydraing together.

What do you make of ulamants stance during the Hiraki wagon?

i thought he was staying open and pseudopushing umlaut. like he was fine with the lynch but he'd be fine with any other lynch too.

Hmm you have a point there. And I see now how you knew who it was.

What do you make of HEM's progression on Ulmant and switch to Hirakis wagon day two?

[HoldenGolden]

Say what you will, I believe I've cut half of the possible scum teams down which means technically I've contributed much more importance than I did in the Newbie

(Though let's be honest that 5 page VCA analysis was a good attempt and it was my drive/time crunch that prevented me from being able to at least find a scum HEM. That and he did play well)

[HoldenGolden]

my gut reaction when i saw hectic die was that the neighbors were both town because i'd lowkey expect someone else to get shot if one of them is scum (like i thought my reactions were plainly obvious if you knew they weren't masons) but holden disagrees with me so idk anymore

pedit: fine with massclaim, sure

I agree with that and I can see it happening.

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

How did you not see me as the second Mason since there is multiple posts by both me and Datisi on the same page saying I was the second mason btw?

[humaneatingmonkey]

good morning

[humaneatingmonkey]

re-read after I wake up

i have some shit to do so i dont think so

[clidd]

I'm back.

[clidd]

my gut reaction when i saw hectic die was that the neighbors were both town because i'd lowkey expect someone else to get shot if one of them is scum (like i thought my reactions were plainly obvious if you knew they weren't masons) but holden disagrees with me so idk anymore

pedit: fine with massclaim, sure

I agree with that and I can see it happening.

I have an example of a game where the mason + town-hood scenario occurred: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

How did you not see me as the second Mason since there is multiple posts by both me and Datisi on the same page saying I was the second mason btw?

I remember reading the ISO of Datisi quickly. I did not follow all the pages chronologically.