Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[teacher]

Because George said I wasn’t doing something, and you assumed that I was, and then George went along with your take. I don’t have post links right now, but to me it felt like you were misreading him (understandably) but he went along with that misunderstanding in a way that might have been trying to be meldy/blendy.

I apologize, but I don’t follow? When you’re off of mobile, I would appreciate post links. From there we can sort out any misunderstanding and I can continue with my train of thought.

Step 1: George says he hopes Im not scum because Im

NOT

asking questions in 17

• Meta-ish aside to explain the reference, last time George and I played, I rolled scum and asked 5 standard RQS questions.

Step 2: You say George thinks I

AM

acting similarly to our last game in 29 and 31, when George's original point was that I was different.

Step 3: Nonetheless, George does not point out miscommunication in 33 and 38.

[Poyzin]

to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher

EBWOP
“to the fact that ‘Teacher behaving similarly to a previous game where they were scum’ is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher”

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm not really pointing it out cause it was Page 1 RVS banter, and i'm surprised this is being taken so seriously.

Also,

Step 2: You say George thinks I AM acting similarly to our last game in 29 and 31, when George's original point was that I was different.

I didn't really catch this tbh.

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

What makes it good? Seemed like a surface-level summary without any commentary.

[Poyzin]

Oh ninja

Is my whole case based on wrong information aaaaaaa

[Poyzin]

Because George said I wasn’t doing something, and you assumed that I was, and then George went along with your take. I don’t have post links right now, but to me it felt like you were misreading him (understandably) but he went along with that misunderstanding in a way that might have been trying to be meldy/blendy.

I apologize, but I don’t follow? When you’re off of mobile, I would appreciate post links. From there we can sort out any misunderstanding and I can continue with my train of thought.

Step 1: George says he hopes Im not scum because Im

NOT

asking questions in 17

• Meta-ish aside to explain the reference, last time George and I played, I rolled scum and asked 5 standard RQS questions.

Step 2: You say George thinks I

AM

acting similarly to our last game in 29 and 31, when George's original point was that I was different.

Step 3: Nonetheless, George does not point out miscommunication in 33 and 38.

Oh well I’ll be darned. This whole time I thought that he said you aren’t scum BECAUSE you happened
to be acting similar to your scum game in the past. Thank you for the correction. I’m not sure how this changes my read on GB at this time, but I certainly feel better on your slot given that you saved me from completely pursuing GB based on faulty information.

What do you make of Step 3? I’m sure GB would have noticed the inconsistency during our conversation, unless he was making up the answers to my questions on the spot?

[teacher]

Then teacher agrees with both

I dont think I agreed with both. Just w/Bailey on Quick (not necessarily with Quick on Poyzin - thats going to take me a bit longer to get out of rand, as I have trouble reading pressurers, which is what I am certain Poyzin is going to be as the day wears on. They are often fishing for reactions rather than pursuing a genuine train of thought, so its harder for me to try to construct their thought process.

(Aside @poyzin re:Quick -- it's more of a ping than a read, and I understand your hesitance, but it felt pure.)

@QQ -- have you read many games here? You seem to have played a few, so why the sweat about one vote during RVS?

[Poyzin]

he said you aren’t scum

EBWOP
“he said that he hoped you aren’t scum”

(the disadvantages of mobile posting and ineffective proofreading)

I'm not really pointing it out cause it was Page 1 RVS banter, and i'm surprised this is being taken so seriously.

Also,

Step 2: You say George thinks I AM acting similarly to our last game in 29 and 31, when George's original point was that I was different.

I didn't really catch this tbh.

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

What makes it good? Seemed like a surface-level summary without any commentary.

I view it to be good because I share a similar mindset to Quasar, concerning Quick’s hasty awarding of town points and both yours and teacher’s hasty agreements. Quick is in no position to be given town points at this state in the game, especially with an unconfirmed slot that has not posted, and two who haven’t contributed beyond RVS.

[GeorgeBailey]

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

[teacher]

What do you make of Step 3? I’m sure GB would have noticed the inconsistency during our conversation

He now says he didnt.

As to what to make of it, like I said, I found it odd/weird. I can attribute scum motivation to it (to try to appear meldy with or hunty to you, especially given that your reasonable comment in 28), but Im not certain that's right given that the error felt (at least to me) pretty obvious. I wanted to call it out (since I ISO myself later in games) but not really make as big of a deal of it as it feels like it has become. Just an oddity that didnt feel right.

[teacher]

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

^this. There isnt much scum motivation to breezing into a thread, giving a quick townread, and disappearing. It felt careless/uncalculated. Thats why its a town ping.

[teacher]

Also, what is poe's law?

[Poyzin]

They are often fishing for reactions rather than pursuing a genuine train of thought, so its harder for me to try to construct their thought process.

They, as in me trying to fish for reactions instead of trying to construct a train of thought? Kinda offended tbh after #49 where I finished my train of thought, but whatever

Also point taken on Quick, I agree the slot does not look malicious atm

[teacher]

No offense intended at all (I am one of the nice players, or try to be )

What I meant was that you would case (with complete thoughts), but that you might purposefully overportray the thoughts just to see who jumped, as well as how the target responded. I may well be wrong - its early times yet - but its my guess that you like to be a town leader who wagon hops a bit over the course of the day just to try things on for size.

[GeorgeBailey]

Poe's law is basically "People can't tell if it's a parody or not if you don't provide any indicator (like a winky face or /s or whatever)"

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

If this isn't a joke, i'd say this is the most suspicious post so far.

[QuantumQuasar]

@teacher not the sweat, it's the vote I don't leave a vote on me unnoticed I used to trust the system and town to make the right decisions only to be bandwagoned super early when I didn't pay too much attention to an early vote on D1

@bailey chill out man either gibus is like voting me for me to get immunity on day 2 for either obviously making a mistake or obviously being in plain sight or you're just overthinking and reading because it's not cool being voted and all, I can't tell when you're sarcastic skeptical or serious so you have no reason to make me a suspect unless I'm talking too much right now.

[QuantumQuasar]

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

[Quick]

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

This feels like a bus.

[Poyzin]

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

[Quick]

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

[Quick]

Sorry, forgot:

[Poyzin]

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

[72offsuit]

VOTE: QQ

Because QQ is an abbreviation for Quick Quiller aka Kwik Killer

[72offsuit]

With regards to this playing roster, I've played with GB twice and Jumble once before

[Quick]

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

Wanted to see how you would react to being called town for tryharding.

[72offsuit]

@GB: You got rid of your psychedelic holographic avatar :O