Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

UNVOTE: because out of RVS

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

^this. There isnt much scum motivation to breezing into a thread, giving a quick townread, and disappearing. It felt careless/uncalculated. Thats why its a town ping.

I don't know about you, but there's a lot of motivation for doing that for me. It:
- doesn't take much effort
- shows that you have an opinion

[72offsuit]

Touche, but I feel like you played off of my question as a joke. Let me ask it a different way; do you think that people saying "I hope you aren't scum" is a phrase that would likely come from scum or not?

I open the floor to anybody who wants to answer because naturally GB would say it doesn't matter because he was the one who said it.

NAI. Next question pls.

[72offsuit]

I think you're right, but my question was a bit more than "I hope you're not scum". Teacher did something specific last game I played where he was scum asked questions to everyone as an introduction. That was my first ever game, and since then I've only ever seen scum do that. So it's the only grain of meta I have on him.

Reasonable response.

[72offsuit]

Town points to Pozin for being active.

Town points to Quick for awarding town points.

And I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

Disagree. Scum points for throwing out town points early for lame reasons.

[Quick]

Town points to Pozin for being active.

Town points to Quick for awarding town points.

And I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

Disagree. Scum points for throwing out town points early for lame reasons.

I guess we will see...,

[GeorgeBailey]

@bailey chill out man either gibus is like voting me for me to get immunity on day 2 for either obviously making a mistake or obviously being in plain sight or you're just overthinking and reading because it's not cool being voted and all, I can't tell when you're sarcastic skeptical or serious so you have no reason to make me a suspect unless I'm talking too much right now.

Alright, i'll retract that because I think this mindset comes from a newer player, which I disregarded because you were in a game I modded.

Gibus is RVSing you, which is why it's strange to ask him to unvote you.

RVS is sort of customary in games and isn't meant for serious voting, it's meant to apply pressure to players to get them talking, or see how they react under pressure. Usually I like to start wagons during it, but I think it's a little late for that now.

If someone holds on to their RVS vote too long, it's an indicator that they aren't actively scumhunting and probably is scum too.

[72offsuit]

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

[GeorgeBailey]

@GB: You got rid of your psychedelic holographic avatar :O

People were saying it was making them nauseous lmao. Now i'm a blue boi.

[72offsuit]

I hope no one is scum and this is an all-town game.

Wild goose chase doesn't sound like fun to me.
An all scum game, with several scum factions, now that would be interesting

[GeorgeBailey]

And good to see you again 72, last game was quite the show.

[72offsuit]

Yo you can't be playing mind games this early seriously

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

Then teacher agrees with both

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

notajumble offsuit and marashu aren't present yet settle down

And what do you intend to do now, that all players are present?

[GeorgeBailey]

Wild goose chase doesn't sound like fun to me.

But we would all win and everyone would be happy. (That's actually a game setup called conspiracy and it's really fun tbh)

[72offsuit]

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like the aggressive push here, but not really seeing what you are seeing.

In all my games, I've rarely seen "casting shade" actually used by scum. In particular not as early as in post #17.

[72offsuit]

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

Biggest generalisation in the history of humankind ^

[GeorgeBailey]

This feels like a bus.

Could you expand on why you think this is a bus?

[Quick]

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

Wanted to see how you would react to being called town for tryharding.

No response, ftr.

[72offsuit]

Scum is much more easily able to read other players as town, as they KNOW who is actually town.

[Quick]

This feels like a bus.

Could you expand on why you think this is a bus?

Too much effort too early to be a real read. More or less.

[Quick]

Scum is much more easily able to read other players as town, as they KNOW who is actually town.

[72offsuit]

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

^this. There isnt much scum motivation to breezing into a thread, giving a quick townread, and disappearing. It felt careless/uncalculated. Thats why its a town ping.

Why not?
I easily see it as awkward scum not knowing how to contribute, throwing out townie points, in order to buddy up to a player and appear as though they are contributing.

[Quick]

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

^this. There isnt much scum motivation to breezing into a thread, giving a quick townread, and disappearing. It felt careless/uncalculated. Thats why its a town ping.

Why not?
I easily see it as awkward scum not knowing how to contribute, throwing out townie points, in order to buddy up to a player and appear as though they are contributing.

You should probably check my meta before you say something like that. Just saying.

Also, this:

[72offsuit]

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Explain.
You can't throw out a statement like this without clarifying.

[72offsuit]

@bailey chill out man either gibus is like voting me for me to get immunity on day 2 for either obviously making a mistake or obviously being in plain sight or you're just overthinking and reading because it's not cool being voted and all, I can't tell when you're sarcastic skeptical or serious so you have no reason to make me a suspect unless I'm talking too much right now.

Alright, i'll retract that because I think this mindset comes from a newer player, which I disregarded because you were in a game I modded.

Gibus is RVSing you, which is why it's strange to ask him to unvote you.

RVS is sort of customary in games and isn't meant for serious voting, it's meant to apply pressure to players to get them talking, or see how they react under pressure. Usually I like to start wagons during it, but I think it's a little late for that now.

If someone holds on to their RVS vote too long, it's an indicator that they aren't actively scumhunting and probably is scum too.

Hm. Yes and no. Last game i was in, I still had my vote on my RvS voter up until close to hammer time.

[72offsuit]

(i was town)

[72offsuit]

@GB: You got rid of your psychedelic holographic avatar :O

People were saying it was making them nauseous lmao. Now i'm a blue boi.

And good to see you again 72, last game was quite the show.

Lol. And you kowtowed to the masses. tsk tsk

Likewise, I did enjoy that game, even though I don;t normally like playing as scum.