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[Klick]

Especially since you went through that thought process yourself here:

unused. There wasnt much to go on, but i thought i'd probably be alive long enough to use it later with more info.

[Klick]

Scanning your ISO, you also don't seem to suspect me going into last night, and you acknowledge that I don't appear to be scum in the public eye:

If we think theres scum in there

and we think it isnt klick

we are pretty safe to lynch both paragon and pete here. Theyre both in my lynchpool here anyway

Why would you go into last night thinking that I was not only scum, but also the scum member who would submit a NK in a game with at least one Watcher for scum!Klick to dodge?

Enough things don't add up about that action that I'm finding it really difficult to swallow.

[Klick]

Basically, using the action last night in the way that votato did has no real town utility; his actions don't make sense if he's town. Meanwhile, they make a

ton

of sense as scum - claiming to have used it now instead of after his partner is lynched means he doesn't have to clear anyone as town. And he claimed he used the RB

after

Fwesnid claimed his guilty.

It's Pete/votato.

[Klick]

Also note how long it took votato to respond to each of my questions about his role.

unused. There wasnt much to go on, but i thought i'd probably be alive long enough to use it later with more info.

Do you still have your RB shot?

I ask here the first time, and he ignores it.

I then ask again in 1108, and he takes 13 minutes to answer.
I ask him who he used it on three minutes later, and it takes him ten minutes to respond to that.
I then ask him why he did it and he disappears.
Note that Pete is very likely to still be around, considering he posted 1107 three minutes before my 1108.

Conclusion: I think they were working out how to answer my questions in the scum PT.

[Paragon]

Agreed on votato always being scum. Only thing I'm town about right now is why scum wouldn't directly kill Fwensid, give he was widely townread, and there's no claimed protective/other watcher that could watch him. Unless eyestott claims to have not used his watch yet?

[Paragon]

*i'm torn about

[Paragon]

I’m a 1-shot watcher. I didn’t use it because I had no idea who the mafia would target with their night kill.
And hey, I’m 1-shot bulletproof too.
I didn’t really “crumb” this game, even though I’ve done so in the other games I’ve been in that are now finished
Other than me saying that the mod didn’t respond to my pms at the start of the game. I was asking him if
A) I can use my watcher ability to target myself
B) I’ll be informed if I lose my bulletproof ability
Dolly and Fwesnid should be able to confirm the answers to each of these are no.

Ah, OK, he claimed to still have his shot here.

[Paragon]

Confirmed:
QuantumQuasar - Town Jailkeeper.
Drew-Sta - Town 1-Shot Voyeur.
gibus - VT
Atarashi Hajimari - VT
notsci 1X weak follower
Dolly Parton Mafia Goon

claimed:
Fwesnid - Watcher
votato - 1-shot Roleblocker
Paragon - VT
Pete - VT
Klick - VT
eyestott - 1X BP 1X Watcher
drippinggoofball 1X voyeur

I'm not a setup guy so I don't know what makes sense and what doesn't. I don't know why there would be both a full-time watcher and a 1X watcher. Did fwesnid claim before eyestott?

This is a lot of power for town if I'm being honest.

Watcher + Voyeur + Jailkeeper all undated
1-shot Weak Follower + 1-shot BP/Watcher + 1-shot Voyeur

That does seem like too much.

[Paragon]

*ungated

[Paragon]

We need to hear from eyestott or his replacement.

[Klick]

I suggested eyestott use the Watcher shot on Fwesnid yesterday - obviously we don't know whether he actually did so yet.

PEdit: both Voyeurs are 1-shot.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I checked bc klick mentioned that he was on site, and eyestott's profile indicates his last site activity was about 6 hrs prior to daystart. The VCs indicate he was idle in this game overnight. I also think we should hear from eyestott or his replacement.

[Klick]

I'm assuming the absolute silence all day means you all agree with my case on the Pickaxe/votato team.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I don't think it's indicative of anything. I don't agree. I know votato doesn't agree. Votato may be scum (I doubt it), but it's not with me.

I can't wait for you to suggest that we lynch votato today instead of the one fwesnid has claimed a guilty on.

It's going to be important tomorrow and the day after for town to look at the first 20-25 posts from today's day start.

[Klick]

I enjoy how you're abandoning the concept of Klick!town and heavily implying a Fwesnid/Klick scumteam while also insisting we consider you as town today.

If you're town, this game currently needs a miracle for us to win. You're wasting your efforts tunneling on me when you went into the start of the day thinking I was an unlikely partner to Dolly.

Where does your Paragon townread come from? You seemed to pull it out of nowhere the moment the guilty was claimed on you, when before that he was in your PoE pool.

[Saladman27]

VC 4.0

Spoiler: Too long

Pickaxe Pete (2) -

Fwesnid, votato

Not Voting (5) -

Pickaxe Pete, Klick, DrippingGoofball, Paragon, eyestott

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-05 01:09:57)

Game Notes

-

- Replacing eyestott.

[Saladman27]

KickAssAndGiggle replaces eyestott

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Hi.

Catching up.

I'm guessing eyestott is going to be replaced, which means another blow to town most likely because of the learning curve.

I'll try my best!

It's going to be important for town to look at the first 20-25 posts from today's day start.

Will do

I don't think it's indicative of anything. I don't agree. I know votato doesn't agree. Votato may be scum (I doubt it), but it's not with me.

I can't wait for you to suggest that we lynch votato today instead of the one fwesnid has claimed a guilty on.

It's going to be important tomorrow and the day after for town to look at the first 20-25 posts from today's day start.

Will do!!!

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Confirmed:
QuantumQuasar - Town Jailkeeper.
Drew-Sta - Town 1-Shot Voyeur.
gibus - VT
Atarashi Hajimari - VT
notsci 1X weak follower
Dolly Parton Mafia Goon

claimed:
Fwesnid - Watcher
votato - 1-shot Roleblocker
Paragon - VT
Pete - VT
Klick - VT
eyestott - 1X BP 1X Watcher
drippinggoofball 1X voyeur

I'm not a setup guy so I don't know what makes sense and what doesn't. I don't know why there would be both a full-time watcher and a 1X watcher. Did fwesnid claim before eyestott?

Skimming current day before going back and reading more. As its already been claimed, I confirm I am indeed a 1xBP 1xWatcher.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I see Notscience claimed inno on DGB as a weak watcher. Any reason I should doubt this? DGB clear?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

EBWOP: Follower, not watcher.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Full disclosure: I'm not reading the whole thread. I will do some ISO combinations.

Skimmed a threeway ISO with Dolly and the Blurry/Klick slot. I doubt that's a team.

ISO'd DGB in full. Are you wavering on Klick being scum, DGB? You said he seemed townier today.

Pete:

I read this day twice. My main takeaway is its you vs Fwesnid: he is claiming a guilty on you. He's probably had enough time to retract if it was just a reaction test, so looks like there is scum in you/him. Is that what you expected me to get to? If there was something else major, treat me like a kid and quote it at me please.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

If what you were getting at is that I (or my predecessor) was supposed to post any results...I'm afraid I have nothing.

As far as I am aware, I still have both my watch and my BP status.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Basically, using the action last night in the way that votato did has no real town utility; his actions don't make sense if he's town. Meanwhile, they make a

ton

of sense as scum - claiming to have used it now instead of after his partner is lynched means he doesn't have to clear anyone as town. And he claimed he used the RB

after

Fwesnid claimed his guilty.

It's Pete/votato.

I've done the catching up I'm going to do. Read quite a bit, albeit skimmy and mainly as ISO. Not too many wall posts, made it easier.

That is also my current thoughts:

Pete/votato most likely.

Guess there's worth in further discussion, but can't see any point lynching outside Pete/Fwensid today, may as well be Pete.

This isn't just about the guilty claim: I found the interaction between Pete and Dolly after the "crumbing and definition of the word 'clear'" debacle to sound rather fake. Posts 1050 to 1060.

Dolly's neck was heading for the noose, and Pete found a comfortable middle-slot on the wagon. A thoroughly neccessary bus, is how I read it.

And makes zero sense that I can see for town!votato to RB Klick yesterday to

I used my rb in hopes of stopping the NK.

Hard to believe you actually thought Klick would be the NK.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I thanks for repping in KA. I'll give you a full response later, but I want to get a couple things in just in case. 1) I feel much better about 3-man lylo now bc that's where we're headed. With KA engaged and still has his powers, that puts us a step ahead. Nothing against eyestott there, but he obviously checked out of this game mentally. 2) KA please use the watch power smartly. When you see me flip green you will know that fwesnid is the lynch tomorrow and you will be one of the Townies in 3 man lylo. You've got to figure out how you want to use that watch. Mafia can't shoot at you tonight and have a no kill night then a fwesnid scum lynch tomorrow. So I think you save it for tomorrow night when you'll have three suspects to choose from. Those are your best odds.