Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[Quick]

Go ahead... Ask me for my reasons... I'm waiting for someone to ask me actually...

Well, okay then. What are your reasons?

Give me a sec to make a case...

[Quick]

Town points to Pozin for being active.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

Feudian slip? Not enough to go on just this, honestly.

Yo you can't be playing mind games this early seriously

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

Then teacher agrees with both

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

notajumble offsuit and marashu aren't present yet settle down

Who is this post directed to?

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

Let the tryharding commence! The thing is, it's fairly obvious QQ is talking to the game as a whole...

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Moar tryharding...

Oh well I’ll be darned.

Get real, no one talks like this...

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Was this the first Buddy attempt of QQ or the second? I forget...

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives.

That’s not a natural progression at all.

You do a lot of talking and not a lot of reading it seems. I said that at the point I read it. Then I read the rest of what you were doing... so maybe there is progression there that you don't know about. But sure, assume I don't have progression and null read me anyways - that's cool too.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

Why do you "like" it? Is it something that helps you read them, or is this a buddy attempt?

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like the aggressive push here, but not really seeing what you are seeing.

In all my games, I've rarely seen "casting shade" actually used by scum. In particular not as early as in post #17.

so is that a "Null" read then? I'll take that as a yes.

Scum is much more easily able to read other players as town, as they KNOW who is actually town.

The point of this post is to show that this person cares more about being liked then giving good information because it's a little too obvious than I feel makes me feel good about this post.

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Explain.
You can't throw out a statement like this without clarifying.

Why "CAN'T" someone do that? It looks like this is a fake distance attempt because still no read on this person AFAIK. Just looks like a fake conversation *shrug*

(i was town)

Justifying yourself for later.

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

What do you mean they didnt mention it?
They mentioned it 2 posts later

Again, either intentionally or not (I really do think it was intentional) you are MISSING context with what you are saying here, which is that he DIDN'T talk about the word

tryharding

at all. I can only see one reason for this and that is that this is a chainsaw.

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

What do you mean they didnt mention it?
They mentioned it 2 posts later

Huh? Did I stutter?

At this point you know what you done...

This feels like a bus.

Could you expand on why you think this is a bus?

Too much effort too early to be a real read. More or less.

This is lame. Town can put in effort early as well. You’re at two strikes.

(This is an empty threat)

Are you and 72 going to lynch me because I caught you?

This feels super defensive. I'm voting for QQ right now and am questioning you because I got an early bad ping, and I'm not liking what I'm seeing from you since. Every comment just feels really sarcastic or antagonistic and not really conducive to game-solving.

VOTE: Quick

Let's make the chainsaw public now...

I don;t normally like playing as scum.

But you do this game, amirite?

Why no response to this? You can joke with GB because you have history with him but you can't with me? Okay... Nice tryharding Scum...

I also wouldn’t answer such an obviously loaded question from you, but we can hear what 72 has to say.

You two both SUCK at missing details which is REALLY convenient. I said you didn't mention the word

tryharding

yet you are still pushing me? Please, this game is done already...

Because I clearly said the word

Joke

which is missing from context to justify the push on me here.

[GeorgeBailey]

Biggest generalisation in the history of humankind ^

I've seen scum do this more often than not. And what? Most of scumhunting is generalization.

"This is what scum would do"

"This is very townie" are all generalizations of what that alignment would act. I don't understand your point.

[Quick]

Biggest generalisation in the history of humankind ^

I've seen scum do this more often than not. And what? Most of scumhunting is generalization.

"This is what scum would do"

"This is very townie" are all generalizations of what that alignment would act. I don't understand your point.

Meh, there are more ways to play than just throwing reads out. I have other ways of playing as well.

[QuantumQuasar]

@quick post 151 I was talking to bailey, he started poking around first

@marashu I think bailey is suspect because he's sparring

@offsuit you can't be serious on that second vote

bailey says he hopes everyone is town and earlier denies everything so that's not a very sensical way to play

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

settle down you're just confusing yourselves it's either someone is trying to blend in or just sowing fear

@quick btw if you're town you shouldn't be saying you have other ways to play like say what now are you two faced

[QuantumQuasar]

I'm at L-3 last time this happened to me I went to bed next thing you know you're gone the next day

gibus where you at remove your votes from me thanks

I'm so targeted right now by a bunch of wallposting lunatics N1 please

[QuantumQuasar]

That's with nervous wrecks it's like they're asked to step up then contaminate and transmit nervousness

generally speaking it's a false assumption to consider the three experienced players to be either together as two, one a part of two or none of them a part of two as they are individually are just one

likewise pozin is singled out because he's back since a leave of absence does not make him newer than everyone else, I agree with his statement to fear who tries to be too active (since the start quick and georgebailey account to half of the posts)

townie points aren't gained or lost it's just perception from confusion and spreading what you tentatively know, want to know or don't want to know

since town is under threat therefore too much confidence or too much nervousness, just as too much posting or not posting enough does not reveal any information without a baseline

[GeorgeBailey]

Quantum, you just put me at L-2 and you're scared of being put at L-3?

[gibus]

UNVOTE: QQ
Early townread on Poyzin for making acute RVS analyses to generate content.

[GeorgeBailey]

And if you're referring to chain of command, that was because the deadline was really soon, and scum was pushing your lynch. Being scared of Gibus's vote is still irrational.

[QuantumQuasar]

UNVOTE: because out of RVS

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

^this. There isnt much scum motivation to breezing into a thread, giving a quick townread, and disappearing. It felt careless/uncalculated. Thats why its a town ping.

I don't know about you, but there's a lot of motivation for doing that for me. It:
- doesn't take much effort
- shows that you have an opinion

Thanks to pozin and quick for saying I'm town

offsuit is not with marashu for sure

@bailey someone is projecting and you're asking me to be your attorney . Are you sure you're at L-2? who else voted for you

UNVOTE: georgebailey

notajumble is not with teacher and they're both silent after that post

uhm figures trauma is being bullied around and reciprocating that behavior as a pinball

[QuantumQuasar]

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

I find it ironic that you say “I like this post” when one of the parts of said post contained “I like this post”, which is the lowest form of demonstrating that one has an opinion. This is most certainly intentional, but what parts of the post do you find to be good?

I've found that players who gut-town-read short phrases such as "That’s lame. Fear active scum" tend to be town.

Also like MArashu's follow-up questioning to appear to be town-motivated "What's your take-away from this?"

offsuit liking my post from

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

I find it ironic that you say “I like this post” when one of the parts of said post contained “I like this post”, which is the lowest form of demonstrating that one has an opinion. This is most certainly intentional, but what parts of the post do you find to be good?

I've found that players who gut-town-read short phrases such as "That’s lame. Fear active scum" tend to be town.

Also like MArashu's follow-up questioning to appear to be town-motivated "What's your take-away from this?"

offsuit liking my post show's he's town

generally sarcasm doesn't translate well in written text

[QuantumQuasar]

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

He's scum. Everybody knows that the nice ones are always the suspicious ones, and his first post was

definitely

trying to sway you *wink*

Proverbs 6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;

VOTE: poyzin

Are you a hydra

[72offsuit]

Scum in their PT...

"Hey, let's tryhard this game, what do you say?"
"Sounds great! Fantastic even!"
"Okay, let's do this... Let's pushe the guy who generates the most discussion. That should be our plan."
"Okay, sounds good."
"Do you want to post first or should I?"

Wow.. chilling to the bone. This is like verbatim word for word my last scum game PT thread.

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.02

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Quick

(2): Marashu, 72offsuit

GeorgeBailey

(2): teacher, Poyzin

teacher

(1): GeorgeBailey

Poyzin

(1): QuantumQuasar

Not Voting

(3): Quick, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, gibus

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-02 18:20:00).

Mod notes:

• Everyone has confirmed.

[/area]

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Yo you can't be playing mind games this early seriously

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

Then teacher agrees with both

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

notajumble offsuit and marashu aren't present yet settle down

Who is this post directed to?

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

Let the tryharding commence! The thing is, it's fairly obvious QQ is talking to the game as a whole...

I just don't see how he's talking to the game as a whole. Could you explain a bit?

Oh well I’ll be darned.

Get real, no one talks like this...

I...don't see your point here either.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

I'm at L-3 last time this happened to me I went to bed next thing you know you're gone the next day

gibus where you at remove your votes from me thanks

I'm so targeted right now by a bunch of wallposting lunatics N1 please

QQ, while I get that you're a bit scared over being lynched due to not being as active as others, I just don't see that happening only one day after the start, and especially when you're only at L-3.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Scum in their PT...

"Hey, let's tryhard this game, what do you say?"
"Sounds great! Fantastic even!"
"Okay, let's do this... Let's pushe the guy who generates the most discussion. That should be our plan."
"Okay, sounds good."
"Do you want to post first or should I?"

Wow.. chilling to the bone. This is like verbatim word for word my last scum game PT thread.

Wait, why'd you bring up your last scum game? Also, where is that scum game?

[Poyzin]

To elaborate, #113 felt less defensive from my perspective and more testy, like “bet you aren’t going to vote me”. I don’t think it’s townie not a productive mindset, which is why Quick is still a null read for me, but I’m pretty sure this was his plan all along. I’m only saying this because I’m townreading you for now and have been the person that I’ve agreed with the most, so I’m just letting you know how I see it.

How about no? How about you check my Scum games to see how I play as Scum? I am strategic as Scum and I get lynched a LOT as Scum, but my record as Scum is actually BETTER than my Town record. My wiki is right THERE check it if you doubt me.

Okay never mind, this is much worse than what was being posted before. This is pretty clearly defensive, but anywho, the crux of your argument is “I’m not scum here because I played completely different as scum in the past”. If you played the same way as scum every single game then I’d be sorry for you, and I don’t buy your “check my meta to prove my towniness” for a minute.

No, my point is that YOU are Scum because you have shit arguments for why I am "Null....lol"

Do you even know what a null read means?

Nope... Never heard the word in my life...

...

.....

.......

Do you even know what the word null means?

[Poyzin]

(Psst, hi spectators! Hopefully when Quick drops in, he can say “I don’t know what null means” even though there’s blatantly clear evidence that he does, and that he is purposely putting on the façade that he is a noob!town player. What the point of Quick’s lying is, I can’t even begin to fathom, but it just means I’ll probably have to continue to put up with Quick’s incompetency until he decides to drop the act for the betterment of the town.)

[Poyzin]

that he is purposely putting on the façade that he is a noob!town player.

(To be fair, I don’t know if he’s town here. My mindset is that scum wouldn’t have the guts to put themselves in the spotlight by having hilariously faulty reads, which means it’s an act. I don’t believe Quick thinks I’m actually scum. He hasn’t even given a valid reason why I’m scummy yet.)

[teacher]

@poyzin - you’ve repeatedly mentioned spectators, why?

I found 72’s spurt of posting interesting. I liked the willingness to antagonize quick (or perhaps better phrased, to not humor the antagonism). But I didn’t really get or feel much in the way of sorting or contributing - just presence and posting for presence. I had somewhat the same thought from Jumble, but it felt more fluid - like genuine posting while skimming. Idk how to word it, but while the content leaves are the same, the tone is a bit different.

I liked marus one substantive post, but want more. I didn’t like Gibus’s unvote. And QQ townreading people for townreading him feels like genuine newbishness, but I would like a link the game that made you nervous of lolwagons, please?

[Quick]

To elaborate, #113 felt less defensive from my perspective and more testy, like “bet you aren’t going to vote me”. I don’t think it’s townie not a productive mindset, which is why Quick is still a null read for me, but I’m pretty sure this was his plan all along. I’m only saying this because I’m townreading you for now and have been the person that I’ve agreed with the most, so I’m just letting you know how I see it.

How about no? How about you check my Scum games to see how I play as Scum? I am strategic as Scum and I get lynched a LOT as Scum, but my record as Scum is actually BETTER than my Town record. My wiki is right THERE check it if you doubt me.

Okay never mind, this is much worse than what was being posted before. This is pretty clearly defensive, but anywho, the crux of your argument is “I’m not scum here because I played completely different as scum in the past”. If you played the same way as scum every single game then I’d be sorry for you, and I don’t buy your “check my meta to prove my towniness” for a minute.

No, my point is that YOU are Scum because you have shit arguments for why I am "Null....lol"

Do you even know what a null read means?

Nope... Never heard the word in my life...

...

.....

.......

Do you even know what the word null means?

This is my first Mafia game, so no.

[Poyzin]

Okay buddy. Whatever you say.

[Poyzin]

@poyzin - you’ve repeatedly mentioned spectators, why?

So I can make open predictions and general comments that aren’t addressed to anyone. Also it’s fun to do.