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[Pickaxe Pete]

Tomorrow and the following phase if you go back and read those first 20 posts or so as if you were town!Pete you may be able to see what I see knowing that someone claimed a fake guilty on you after you played a shitty game and then klick comes in and says oh wow that's amazing you targeted Pete and got a guilty and no one killed you when you were the obvious kill but oh yeah they were afraid of eyestott catching them.

[Pickaxe Pete]

So the 3-man is probably going to be KA, klick and votato, and I choose klick all day long.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

You believe Votato roleblocked Klick last night?

If yes, do you feel that was a town motivated action? Face value question.

[Pickaxe Pete]

This isn't just about the guilty claim: I found the interaction between Pete and Dolly after the "crumbing and definition of the word 'clear'" debacle to sound rather fake. Posts 1050 to 1060.

I'm glad you put this in there. It directed my attention to 1063. I didn't realize both klick and fwesnid asked eyestott to watch fwesnid last night. They wanted eyestott to waste that watch.

[Pickaxe Pete]

You believe Votato roleblocked Klick last night?

If yes, do you feel that was a town motivated action? Face value question.

I believe he may have, although I hope he saved it. If he did, it was a pro town move absolutely. Klick was scum suspicious for me and I believe for votato also, but I'm not sure about that off the top of my head.

[Klick]

If what you were getting at is that I (or my predecessor) was supposed to post any results...I'm afraid I have nothing.

As far as I am aware, I still have both my watch and my BP status.

That's perfect.

If Pete is scum:
KAAG watches Fwesnid
Fwesnid watches who he thinks the NK will be

If Pete is town:
KAAG watches who he thinks the NK will be

Does anyone have objections to this?

[Klick]

I see Notscience claimed inno on DGB as a weak watcher. Any reason I should doubt this? DGB clear?

DGB is clear, yes.

KAAG's catchup looks towny to me.

[Klick]

I enjoy how you're abandoning the concept of Klick!town and heavily implying a Fwesnid/Klick scumteam while also insisting we consider you as town today.

If you're town, this game currently needs a miracle for us to win. You're wasting your efforts tunneling on me when you went into the start of the day thinking I was an unlikely partner to Dolly.

Where does your Paragon townread come from? You seemed to pull it out of nowhere the moment the guilty was claimed on you, when before that he was in your PoE pool.

I appreciate how you didn't engage with this at all Pete.

I'm ready for a lynch when everyone else is.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

You believe Votato roleblocked Klick last night?

If yes, do you feel that was a town motivated action? Face value question.

I believe he may have, although I hope he saved it. If he did, it was a pro town move absolutely. Klick was scum suspicious for me and I believe for votato also, but I'm not sure about that off the top of my head.

When you say "I hope he saved it" and "If he did"...you realise he has posted that he used it on Klick, right? I was asking whether you believe him, not whether it happened.

I guess I'll take your answer as 'Yes' in any case, although it's a little odd that the man who insists that the replacement carefully reads the day seems not to have.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Fwesnid seems like town from his ISO. If DGB wasn't clear, he'd be my top town read based on days 1 and 2.

I see Pete/Klick as at least plausible. I doubted it from the Dolly/Klick interaction on D2 but it could be scum theatre.

Klick, if this is coming from scum!Pete, what should I make of it?

So the 3-man is probably going to be KA, klick and votato, and I choose klick all day long.

[Klick]

I'm currently reading his actions as trying to keep open as many potential partners to him as possible. I wanted to see if he'd entertain the possibility of me being town, but he seems more interested in pushing a narrative for after he dies than trying to get out of a lynch today.

Keeping in mind that scum have daytalk, I don't think my actions with either Dolly or Pete synchronize the way they would if I were scum with them. Dolly and Pete have both had agendas in the last two days that I have not really lined up with.

In other words - what is a Dolly/Pete/Klick scumteam trying to accomplish in the last two days? A double-suicide leading to me surviving both lynches, with both of them trying to bus me as they go down? That's the sort of thing that looks fun in theory but just isn't effective in practice. When I replaced in this game was super dead and the odds of a town win looked slim. There just isn't motive to both liven up the game and implode the scumteam upon coming in. It would be bad play.

[Pickaxe Pete]

If what you were getting at is that I (or my predecessor) was supposed to post any results...I'm afraid I have nothing.

As far as I am aware, I still have both my watch and my BP status.

That's perfect.

If Pete is scum:
KAAG watches Fwesnid
Fwesnid watches who he thinks the NK will be

If Pete is town:
KAAG watches who he thinks the NK will be

Does anyone have objections to this?

If I am town, my suggestion is KA holds onto the watch until after the fwesnid lynch tomorrow when his odds will be better.

[Pickaxe Pete]

You believe Votato roleblocked Klick last night?

If yes, do you feel that was a town motivated action? Face value question.

I believe he may have, although I hope he saved it. If he did, it was a pro town move absolutely. Klick was scum suspicious for me and I believe for votato also, but I'm not sure about that off the top of my head.

When you say "I hope he saved it" and "If he did"...you realise he has posted that he used it on Klick, right? I was asking whether you believe him, not whether it happened.

I guess I'll take your answer as 'Yes' in any case, although it's a little odd that the man who insists that the replacement carefully reads the day seems not to have.

I know he claims to have used it, and I tend to believe him, but I hope that he didn't.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Oh wait it sort of implies eyestott-town that Fwesnid didn't die. Scum could have avoided this guilty if they just killed Fwesnid, but they didn't. Which means they were afraid to. And the only reason they'd be afraid to is if they believed eyestott would catch them.

This points to a fwesnid/klick team. If klick didn't realize eyestott was idle per the VCs, this theory falls flat.

So tomorrow look at klick's response to this, this whole diologue. Instead of saying it didn't matter whether eyestott actually was active or not, the important thing is the threat that he could be, klick asks the mods if the VCs are correct. I just realized last night that my belief that the theory was wrong was incorrect thinking on my part. Why didn't klick tell me my theory was wrong and instead go for the incorrect VC angle?

Anyway, something else for you to consider during lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

'm currently reading his actions as trying to keep open as many potential partners to him as possible. I

You say this, and you also say I'm tunnelling you, which I am.

I'm really only considering you and maybe votato as the third scum. The paragon TR, just like the KA TR, is a matter of process of elimination.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Uh i don't think it necessarily clears either of us even if fwesnid is lying. That said i think this 1 for 1 trade would be bad for scum so i think we have to lynch pickaxe here. I really don't see the motivation for faking a guilty on a vt. VOTE: pickaxe

This is the post from votato that gave me a heavy town vibe.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Full disclosure: I'm not reading the whole thread. I will do some ISO combinations.

Skimmed a threeway ISO with Dolly and the Blurry/Klick slot. I doubt that's a team.

ISO'd DGB in full. Are you wavering on Klick being scum, DGB? You said he seemed townier today.

Pete:

I read this day twice. My main takeaway is its you vs Fwesnid: he is claiming a guilty on you. He's probably had enough time to retract if it was just a reaction test, so looks like there is scum in you/him. Is that what you expected me to get to? If there was something else major, treat me like a kid and quote it at me please.

I think you got the gist of it. I am just trying to prep town for lylo rn.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I see Notscience claimed inno on DGB as a weak watcher. Any reason I should doubt this? DGB clear?

Yes, dgb should be clear.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

It's hard to believe Fwesnid, who I TR very strongly, has faked his report before he knew what my predecessor did last night. Therefore I suspect it's genuine. If I'm wrong and you do flip town Pete, I will re-read every word you wrote, as you suggest, with that fact in mind.

Love to hear now from the others. DGB in particular, as she seemed to scum read Klick on D2. And is clear.

Nobody has doubts on Paragon?

[Klick]

'm currently reading his actions as trying to keep open as many potential partners to him as possible. I

You say this, and you also say I'm tunnelling you, which I am.

I'm really only considering you and maybe votato as the third scum. The paragon TR, just like the KA TR, is a matter of process of elimination.

This doesn't match with the reads you posted

right before

that PoE. Your PoE before that was Paragon, eyestott, and maybe me. What changed?

[Pickaxe Pete]

'm currently reading his actions as trying to keep open as many potential partners to him as possible. I

You say this, and you also say I'm tunnelling you, which I am.

I'm really only considering you and maybe votato as the third scum. The paragon TR, just like the KA TR, is a matter of process of elimination.

This doesn't match with the reads you posted

right before

that PoE. Your PoE before that was Paragon, eyestott, and maybe me. What changed?

Fwesnid's guilty claim and your disingenuous thereafter. Keep in mind post 1003 I think it was where I was going to get back with you on what I felt was wrong with your entrance. Whatever that last reply to you was yesterday where I told you I needed more time to do that. That was the last interaction we had yesterday I think. I had you as a scum lean then.

Eyestott read changed obviously with the fake guilty. From my pov fwesnid is not a watcher but is scum, so eyestott's watcher claim is confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

Everything posted today points to you being the third scum. One of the things I don't like is the conflict between Dolly and you yesterday, but I can't see how that just wasn't good theatre.

So between fwesnid's fake guilty and your insincere posting today, process of elimination has paragon and everyone else town.

I could be wrong, and maybe it is Paragon or votato, so I'll think on it some more. The truth will be in the next 4 deaths though. KA and the remaining town member will have good info to work with in lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

And paragon seems to be the only one willing to at least entertain the notion that having two watchers is odd or give the town too much power. I think we talked about how odd eyestott's claim was earlier in the game. Many didn't believe him bc it was so odd, but I said I didn't think he would make that wild claim up (I was also willing to believe that there were two watchers I think). I guess I should go look at the doubters to see if they were you, Dolly and/or fwesnid angling to mis-lynch eyestott; actually, if it was fwesnid and Dolly and someone else that someone else may be #3. But anyway, now I understand why that role exists -- to get the player to lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

It's hard to believe Fwesnid, who I TR very strongly, has faked his report before he knew what my predecessor did last night. Therefore I suspect it's genuine. If I'm wrong and you do flip town Pete, I will re-read every word you wrote, as you suggest, with that fact in mind.

Love to hear now from the others. DGB in particular, as she seemed to scum read Klick on D2. And is clear.

Nobody has doubts on Paragon?

I'm not sure what bearing fwesnid's reporting before knowing what eyestott was going to say has.

[Paragon]

As Kaag said, I'll reread everything you said if you flip town, Alore.

I'm ready to end this day and the watchers should be following Klick's night plan that they outlined above.

[Paragon]

Alore, you mentioned a townread scum faking a guilty on a suspected town slot is a good/clever move. I see it as the opposite, it was very possible for Fwensid!scum to get you mislynched today without incriminating himself for the next day. Do you disagree?