Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[Poyzin]

UNVOTE: because out of RVS

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

I promise to follow Poe's law from now on.

That was a cheeky comment lmao. I was waiting for someone to continue the chain. I agree that Quick's.....

Quick

(sorry) assumption that active = Townie is too early.

But I don't think that usually comes from scum. Scum usually Null reads everyone so they can slide by without any resistance. And then "Null-scum" their partner in case they get lynched.

^this. There isnt much scum motivation to breezing into a thread, giving a quick townread, and disappearing. It felt careless/uncalculated. Thats why its a town ping.

I don't know about you, but there's a lot of motivation for doing that for me. It:
- doesn't take much effort
- shows that you have an opinion

While I agree that we were out of RVS, why wouldn’t you place your vote somewhere instead of staying unvoted? If you viewed the state of the game to be out of RVS, then shouldn’t you have formed opinions about players at this time?

I have formed opinions about people here. I just didn't feel like those opinions were strong enough to use my vote on. Now with that being said...

VOTE: Quick

I'm just not a huge fan of his constant sarcastic replies.

But is it scummy? While you may not be a big fan, as neither am I, I fail to see why being sarcastic is a valid reason to vote for Quick.

[72offsuit]

Town points to Pozin for being active.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

Feudian slip? Not enough to go on just this, honestly.

Yo you can't be playing mind games this early seriously

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

Then teacher agrees with both

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

notajumble offsuit and marashu aren't present yet settle down

Who is this post directed to?

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

Let the tryharding commence! The thing is, it's fairly obvious QQ is talking to the game as a whole...

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Moar tryharding...

Oh well I’ll be darned.

Get real, no one talks like this...

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Was this the first Buddy attempt of QQ or the second? I forget...

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives.

That’s not a natural progression at all.

You do a lot of talking and not a lot of reading it seems. I said that at the point I read it. Then I read the rest of what you were doing... so maybe there is progression there that you don't know about. But sure, assume I don't have progression and null read me anyways - that's cool too.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

Why do you "like" it? Is it something that helps you read them, or is this a buddy attempt?

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like the aggressive push here, but not really seeing what you are seeing.

In all my games, I've rarely seen "casting shade" actually used by scum. In particular not as early as in post #17.

so is that a "Null" read then? I'll take that as a yes.

Scum is much more easily able to read other players as town, as they KNOW who is actually town.

The point of this post is to show that this person cares more about being liked then giving good information because it's a little too obvious than I feel makes me feel good about this post.

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Explain.
You can't throw out a statement like this without clarifying.

Why "CAN'T" someone do that? It looks like this is a fake distance attempt because still no read on this person AFAIK. Just looks like a fake conversation *shrug*

(i was town)

Justifying yourself for later.

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

What do you mean they didnt mention it?
They mentioned it 2 posts later

Again, either intentionally or not (I really do think it was intentional) you are MISSING context with what you are saying here, which is that he DIDN'T talk about the word

tryharding

at all. I can only see one reason for this and that is that this is a chainsaw.

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

What do you mean they didnt mention it?
They mentioned it 2 posts later

Huh? Did I stutter?

At this point you know what you done...

This feels like a bus.

Could you expand on why you think this is a bus?

Too much effort too early to be a real read. More or less.

This is lame. Town can put in effort early as well. You’re at two strikes.

(This is an empty threat)

Are you and 72 going to lynch me because I caught you?

This feels super defensive. I'm voting for QQ right now and am questioning you because I got an early bad ping, and I'm not liking what I'm seeing from you since. Every comment just feels really sarcastic or antagonistic and not really conducive to game-solving.

VOTE: Quick

Let's make the chainsaw public now...

I don;t normally like playing as scum.

But you do this game, amirite?

Why no response to this? You can joke with GB because you have history with him but you can't with me? Okay... Nice tryharding Scum...

I also wouldn’t answer such an obviously loaded question from you, but we can hear what 72 has to say.

You two both SUCK at missing details which is REALLY convenient. I said you didn't mention the word

tryharding

yet you are still pushing me? Please, this game is done already...

Because I clearly said the word

Joke

which is missing from context to justify the push on me here.

1. I already explained why i said I liked Marashu's post, in my post 118

2. If I find a post is alignment indicative and I choose to share that at the point in time, then I will state as much.
If im undecided then at least my post is there for myself and other to return to later on

3. I'm saying you can't just say someone is NEVER SCUM, i.e peg someone as being 100% town, from one's perspective, without explaining why to the rest of the player roster.

4. Deja vu from last game.
How likely do you think that scum is to chainsaw a scum-buddy with one vote on them in the first 10 pages or so?

[Poyzin]

(Hey spectators! Did you notice that Jumble has openly admitted to fence sitting? I did! Make sure you stay tuned tomorrow.)

[Poyzin]

1. I already explained why i said I liked Marashu's post, in my post 118

2. If I find a post is alignment indicative and I choose to share that at the point in time, then I will state as much.
If im undecided then at least my post is there for myself and other to return to later on

3. I'm saying you can't just say someone is NEVER SCUM, i.e peg someone as being 100% town, from one's perspective, without explaining why to the rest of the player roster.

4. Deja vu from last game.
How likely do you think that scum is to chainsaw a scum-buddy with one vote on them in the first 10 pages or so?

How willing are you to repost this, but only quote the questions that you’re answering? I’m definitely lost based on how long the quote is.

[Quick]

How likely do you think that scum is to chainsaw a scum-buddy with one vote on them in the first 10 pages or so?

Seems like an irrelevant question to me. I don't see why it would be any less likely than any other time..

[Poyzin]

Quick, are you willing to have a productive, sarcasm-free conversation with me?

[Quick]

Quick, are you willing to have a productive, sarcasm-free conversation with me?

I'm not going to promise that because you tend to ask questions that deserve sarcastic remarks.

[Poyzin]

My posts are bolded in blue. I cut out all questions pertaining to 72 for ease of reading, and left in things that still did pertain to me but I don’t feel the need to question them at this time.

Town points to Pozin for being active.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

Feudian slip? Not enough to go on just this, honestly.

How is this a Freudian Slip?

Yo you can't be playing mind games this early seriously

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

Then teacher agrees with both

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

notajumble offsuit and marashu aren't present yet settle down

Who is this post directed to?

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

Let the tryharding commence! The thing is, it's fairly obvious QQ is talking to the game as a whole...

I disagree with the fact that it was obvious, and I don’t think QQ was talking about everybody in the game. If he was, then that would mean that every person and their actions would be an example of their mind games. If not, then he couldn’t be talking about everyone. To that point, I was focused on my entry in the list, where he says “Poyzin says hi to everyone...”. If

everybody

was truly playing mind games, how was I in the quoted post?

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Moar tryharding...

Also, how is this scummy? Is town not allowed to try hard at the game? I wouldn’t even say I’m tryharding either; I’m just playing normally, but have decided to be more active.

Oh well I’ll be darned.

Get real, no one talks like this...

I talk like that, and so do many others; “I’ll be darned” is a very common phrase, and I have no reason to swear. Why is this even worth bringing up in your supposed case against me?

]

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Was this the first Buddy attempt of QQ or the second? I forget...

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives.

That’s not a natural progression at all.

You do a lot of talking and not a lot of reading it seems. I said that at the point I read it. Then I read the rest of what you were doing... so maybe there is progression there that you don't know about. But sure, assume I don't have progression and null read me anyways - that's cool too.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

(Hey spectators! Did you notice that Jumble has openly admitted to fence sitting? I did! Make sure you stay tuned tomorrow.)

Okay, this "Hey Spectators" thing needs to stop, as it's incredibly condescending.

[Poyzin]

Quick can you explain your thinking then?

Sure. What do you want to know about?

How you’re interacting with poyzin. You’ve been around the block to k ow what null is. Why were you not engaging with him? It felt - until this quote actually - like you were being atandoffish generally. What did you get out of it/what were you going for/etc

I often don't answer stupid questions because it can implicate people based on their reaction to that. Poyzin looks pretty bad in my eyes.

Fine, how about this. You tell me how I look bad right now, and I’ll evaluate it.

[Poyzin]

(Hey spectators! Did you notice that Jumble has openly admitted to fence sitting? I did! Make sure you stay tuned tomorrow.)

Okay, this "Hey Spectators" thing needs to stop, as it's incredibly condescending.

I guess you’re right, sorry. I’m scumreading you right now but I need to finish the Quick saga so I’m going to need to put it on hold until tomorrow.

[Quick]

Quick can you explain your thinking then?

Sure. What do you want to know about?

How you’re interacting with poyzin. You’ve been around the block to k ow what null is. Why were you not engaging with him? It felt - until this quote actually - like you were being atandoffish generally. What did you get out of it/what were you going for/etc

I often don't answer stupid questions because it can implicate people based on their reaction to that. Poyzin looks pretty bad in my eyes.

Fine, how about this. You tell me how I look bad right now, and I’ll evaluate it.

I already made my case, bro.

[QuantumQuasar]

Notajumbleofwords and teacher stayed silent, I don't know teacher

I don't know marashu

Quick, I have a question do you hate yourself? Can you hear yourself speak?

Tellin you that 'cause if you can't hear yourself then try this first, cup your ears with your hands to capture more sound, large ears and you hear more right?

Now try this face a wall and say a word to the wall, do you listen to the reverberation of sound as feedback?

Do you hear yourself? Are you looking for a representation of your projections? Or a fleeting sense of stability? that's present already if you know you can hear yourself, your internal ear that also regulates stability with your cerebrellum.

Quick you should realize that the vote count isn't looking good right now and instead of reacting start not acting and I'm not done with your earlier statement of playing around with the "I can do that too" persona of playing personas because I'm not going to ask you to behave or determine what's normal from old but do you have anything to lose or does it even matter to you because maybe it does only to you if you just heard yourself

That being said, what's the vote count.

Nobody is a spectator here Poyzin a crowd is not an invocation that you summon as much as two is a couple if not a crowd.

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.03

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Quick

(3): Marashu, 72offsuit, NotAJumbleOfNumbers

GeorgeBailey

(2): teacher, Poyzin

Poyzin

(2): QuantumQuasar, Quick

teacher

(1): GeorgeBailey

Not Voting

(1): gibus

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-02 18:20:00).

Mod notes:

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[teacher]

Notajumbleofwords and teacher stayed silent, I don't know teacher

We both have more posts than you and I posted several times after you said I was silent in 160. What point are you trying to make?

[Datisi]

Prodding Marashu.

[gibus]

This feels like a bus.

Could you expand on why you think this is a bus?

Too much effort too early to be a real read. More or less.

This is lame. Town can put in effort early as well. You’re at two strikes.

(This is an empty threat)

Are you and 72 going to lynch me because I caught you?

This feels super defensive. I'm voting for QQ right now and am questioning you because I got an early bad ping, and I'm not liking what I'm seeing from you since. Every comment just feels really sarcastic or antagonistic and not really conducive to game-solving.

VOTE: Quick

QQ is Town. And so am I. Good luck with your game though.

That was a Quick townread. Explain?

[gibus]

I didn’t like Gibus’s unvote. And QQ townreading people for townreading him feels like genuine newbishness, but I would like a link the game that made you nervous of lolwagons, please?

I was responsible for lolhammering QQ. Needless to say I'm ashamed

[gibus]

It's an ongoing game. Is it allowed to post a link to it?

[teacher]

No, thanks for raising that question. TBH, he should not have discussed it at all in that circumstance. Discussion of ongoing games is verboten, and thats not a rule to toy around with.

[Datisi]

No discussion about ongoing games, please.

[gibus]

No discussion about ongoing games, please.

Sorry, won't happen again

[teacher]

Since you seem to be around, talk about your reads. What do you think Poyzin's interactions with Quick or Bailey? Anyone giving you the heebies (you unvoted, but havent really pushed in any direction). Do you disagree with the townread of QQ?

[gibus]

Since you seem to be around, talk about your reads. What do you think Poyzin's interactions with Quick or Bailey? Anyone giving you the heebies (you unvoted, but havent really pushed in any direction). Do you disagree with the townread of QQ?

I like Poyzin's interaction. It was aggressive and moved the game forward. Townreading him for that.
I don't scumread anyone so far.
Yes, I feel like it's too quick to TR him.

[teacher]

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

I actually liked this as a reason to Townlean both.