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[Quick]

For various reasons, I think scum is EXCLUSIVELY within these spots:
Dunnstral
Hellbrooks
VP Baltar
puppy
Quick

Dunnstral

he was the first to hop onto the Gamma lynch right after Blair. I don’t think he has the grapes to bus his partner that early, but I’m not sure. So for now, he’s town in my book.

VP Baltar

he seems to actually be helping town out and trying to figure things out. Town read here. (And for what it’s worth, early game he asked for what abbreviations meant where if he was in a private chat, wouldn’t have done that? Sure, flimsy, but no reason real good reason why I think he’s scum).

As for the others....

Quick

he is almost impossible to read. He’s done massively scummy things but also pro town. His case on R2R I think is super hard to fake.

Puppy

he appeared to double down sorta on Gamma AFTER the hammer. I read Gamma as town as well, so I could see this.

And.....

hellbrooks

I think puppy/Quick, one is scum. I can’t see them both being scum. Hellbrooks of the Ayers I’ve narrowed down strikes me as most likely scum. He hasn’t offered much.

VOTE: hellbrooks

Why am I in your list of scum spots if I'm town in your book?

I will go check rn but I am pretty sure you are soft cleared from being Scum IIRC. The problem is it's not

as many

Non-Associatives as R2R but will check to see how legit it is.. Hang on...

Okay... It checks out. Somewhat willing to clear you based of the Non-Associative I have with you.

BTW, mav's logic that I could be Scum with Gamma kinda checks out, but I do NOT understand the rest of the list tbh...

[Dunnstral]

How does his read on me differ from someone not on the list, like Votato?

[Quick]

How does his read on me differ from someone not on the list, like Votato?

That is an excellent question. That is why it needs to be unpacked.

[VP Baltar]

Keep in mind this is midways like less than 10th Forum Mafia game IIRC. So it's natural he has no idea what he is doing.

10 games is an alright amount to know how this works. Certainly not expert level, but not a noob who hasn't thought about the game before.

Clearly his play is evolving (said so himself), but the tone stuff honestly strikes me as either lazy town or vague scum positions that can be adjusted as needed if the tone of the target seemingly improves.

What do you think about the way he is buddying you quick?

[Quick]

yeah this is my 6th or 7th game depending on how you want to look at it. I hope I don't look like a total noob though

To be fair, your later content lately has been a lot better. I can tell you are getting better already. I also don't really see you as Scum as much as I did at SoD.

[votato]

yeah this is my 6th or 7th game depending on how you want to look at it. I hope I don't look like a total noob though

To be fair, your later content lately has been a lot better. I can tell you are getting better already. I also don't really see you as Scum as much as I did at SoD.

has it? can you point to any reads that are original and insightful and justified with evidence?

[Quick]

What do you think about the way he is buddying you quick?

Haven't noticed tbh. Doesn't really feel like buddying to me. Feels more like he is just being honest. Iunno exactly.

I still stick by that one of VP/votato is Scum but don't know which one exactly. That will be fun for LyLo if that happens.

[midwaybear]

the problem with mafia is that you can't tell when people are being genuine and when they are pocketing. I will take that as a compliment either way. Thanks

[Quick]

yeah this is my 6th or 7th game depending on how you want to look at it. I hope I don't look like a total noob though

To be fair, your later content lately has been a lot better. I can tell you are getting better already. I also don't really see you as Scum as much as I did at SoD.

has it? can you point to any reads that are original and insightful and justified with evidence?

It's not really about any of that. It more has to do with the maturity that he is taking the game to be. I sense growth in that area. He now knows there is a lot more to this game and is taking it a lot more seriously. And I like that.

[Quick]

yeah this is my 6th or 7th game depending on how you want to look at it. I hope I don't look like a total noob though

To be fair, your later content lately has been a lot better. I can tell you are getting better already. I also don't really see you as Scum as much as I did at SoD.

has it? can you point to any reads that are original and insightful and justified with evidence?

BTW, how many games have you played so far? Just curious because I thought you were a newb, but I did remark that some of your more effortful posts were completely unexpected.

[VP Baltar]

Haven't noticed tbh.

I will take that as a compliment either way. Thanks

[Quick]

Haven't noticed tbh.

I will take that as a compliment either way. Thanks

What does that actually tell you alignment wise?

[VP Baltar]

Haven't noticed tbh.

I will take that as a compliment either way. Thanks

What does that actually tell you alignment wise?

It tells me midway is not seriously considering you as a possibility for scum, and if I'm being fully skeptical-- seems like he doesn't want to get cross with you. Motivations behind that, I'm not as clear at this point.

[midwaybear]

hmm interesting. If me and quick are both in lylo, he will be reevaluated, but for now I don't really see the argument for him being scum which is why I remove him from my poe.

[VP Baltar]

Quick is null town so far. Quick's style is sorta unreadable, and I don't think I can really read him based off of tone or contribution. I feel like he posts generally the same stuff as scum and town. Overall, his thoughts read pretty natural and I can follow what he is thinking(most of the time). Thus, null town read.

I went back to look at your read on him, and I just find this very confusing upon reread. If he posts the same as town or scum, as you say, you're basically saying you can't read him (which is a weird premise to begin with, but ok)...and then you say he is more on the town side.

I don't get how you arrive at that if you say you're having a hard time reading his motivation?

We have had a couple town flips and a scum flip. I think it is time to reevaluate basically everyone in the game. There's no need for us to wait until LyLo

[mavsfan41]

The players omitted I have various reasons for believing they’re town. Dunnstral would be in there based on the fact that he jumped on Gamma right after Blair and I don’t see that as a bus’ing scenario. This would be the complimentary way of believing R2R is town based on how Gamma tried to get R2R lynched twice. Sure, the day 1 you might WIFOM, but his push again in day 2 erases all doubt for me and where I think Gamma was attempting to lead a mislynch of R2R. So Dunnstral, I do believe is town but that can be checked, so I’ll wait for confirmation on that spot but not a top priority for me based on how quick he was to jump onto the Gamma lynch in a non-bus’ing scenario.

The players I have listed, I don’t have them all as scum reads, I’m just saying that they’re unknown but this is where I personally will be focused and my vote will go there shy of a cop’s hard guilty (but I really don’t believe the people omitted could possibly be scum). I’ve given my thoughts on VP and I think he is town. Quick/Puppy/hellbrooks. I find this to be the most likely grouping to yield 2 scum (assuming a 3 scum setup). I don’t particularly read Quick/Puppy as super scummy, but possible scum based of process of elimination and just less town than VP (but I want to do a full iso review of VP). The hellbrooks slot is weird. Atarashi I did read early game as town. I’m not a flat earther, but considering how he fell off the face of the earth, maybe
Hellbrooks hasn’t been in the game too much and between her group of posts and Atarashi’s short lived time in this game, there’s just not much there.

[Quick]

The players omitted I have various reasons for believing they’re town. Dunnstral would be in there based on the fact that he jumped on Gamma right after Blair and I don’t see that as a bus’ing scenario. This would be the complimentary way of believing R2R is town based on how Gamma tried to get R2R lynched twice. Sure, the day 1 you might WIFOM, but his push again in day 2 erases all doubt for me and where I think Gamma was attempting to lead a mislynch of R2R. So Dunnstral, I do believe is town but that can be checked, so I’ll wait for confirmation on that spot but not a top priority for me based on how quick he was to jump onto the Gamma lynch in a non-bus’ing scenario.

The players I have listed, I don’t have them all as scum reads, I’m just saying that they’re unknown but this is where I personally will be focused and my vote will go there shy of a cop’s hard guilty (but I really don’t believe the people omitted could possibly be scum). I’ve given my thoughts on VP and I think he is town. Quick/Puppy/hellbrooks. I find this to be the most likely grouping to yield 2 scum (assuming a 3 scum setup). I don’t particularly read Quick/Puppy as super scummy, but possible scum based of process of elimination and just less town than VP (but I want to do a full iso review of VP). The hellbrooks slot is weird. Atarashi I did read early game as town. I’m not a flat earther, but considering how he fell off the face of the earth, maybe
Hellbrooks hasn’t been in the game too much and between her group of posts and Atarashi’s short lived time in this game, there’s just not much there.

What if I said you could be Scum with VP. How would you feel about that?

[mavsfan41]

@Quick: it would fit, so I do think it’s possible. 926 & 927 I think are funny compared to my list (but that was 500 posts ago so might have changed). Is that a confession by the way? If you were to be scum, are you saying VP is your scum buddy? If not, who would most likely be your scum buddy?

[Quick]

@Quick: it would fit, so I do think it’s possible. 926 & 927 I think are funny compared to my list (but that was 500 posts ago so might have changed). Is that a confession by the way? If you were to be scum, are you saying VP is your scum buddy? If not, who would most likely be your scum buddy?

Why would I do that if I was Scum?

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.2

mavsfan41

(3): midwaybear, hellbooks, ready2rock

votato

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, Dunnstral

midwaybear

(1): votato

hellbooks

(1): mavsfan41

Not Voting

(2): Quick, VP Baltar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-03 01:07:00)

[ready2rock]

The hellbrooks slot is weird. Atarashi I did read early game as town. I’m not a flat earther, but considering how he fell off the face of the earth, maybe
Hellbrooks hasn’t been in the game too much and between her group of posts and Atarashi’s short lived time in this game, there’s just not much there.

So there's "not much there" and you read the previous person in the slot as town, but

hellbrooks

I think puppy/Quick, one is scum. I can’t see them both being scum. Hellbrooks of the Ayers I’ve narrowed down strikes me as most likely scum. He hasn’t offered much.

VOTE: hellbrooks

Earlier she's "most likely scum" and you're voting her?

[VP Baltar]

I think at the time I "outed the cop" (pretty blatantly, I would add) that mafia probably was way ahead of me with that. I literally didn't know Blair was Cop until I mentioned it. Then I literally guessed (which meant to be general and not specific post number) what post it was.

I've been thinking about this a lot. Mostly because I was also sensing something off about her Gamma case at that point in the day. It felt incomplete because she was drawing on action info that wasn't visible to the rest of us. The problem was, I started to find this scummy, whereas you found it to be from a town PR.

Can you explain why you didnt join the Gamma wagon at the point you realized she was a cop (of sorts)? Why did you feel it necessary to push all of it into the open?

[mavsfan41]

@R2R: of the players I listed, that slot has been the least helpful and contributed the least. Puppy/Quick/VP have all been more productive. Sure, I read Atarashi as town earlier, but again, I believe scum to be exclusively in those spots and of those players, hellbrooks looks the least “pro-town” hence my vote there.

[midwaybear]

I like the questions VPB are asking now, so my Poe is reduced to {votato, mavs, hellbooks}.
verynice

[votato]

yeah this is my 6th or 7th game depending on how you want to look at it. I hope I don't look like a total noob though

To be fair, your later content lately has been a lot better. I can tell you are getting better already. I also don't really see you as Scum as much as I did at SoD.

has it? can you point to any reads that are original and insightful and justified with evidence?

BTW, how many games have you played so far? Just curious because I thought you were a newb, but I did remark that some of your more effortful posts were completely unexpected.

i have three completed games. newbie 1997, guns and roses IV, and micro 938