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[Kerset]

Vote Count 1.06

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Drew-Sta (4):

Porkens, NorwegianboyEE, Quick, Farkran,

Porkens (3):

popopopopopopo, Firebringer, NoPowerOverMe,

Firebringer (2):

Mohab500, Fredrick A Campbell,

NorwegianboyEE (2):

CooLDoG, Drew-Sta,

CooLDoG (0):

Persivul (0):

Farkran (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

NoPowerOverMe (0):

Mohab500 (0):

Quick (0):

Fredrick A Campbell (0):

popopopopopopo (0):

Not Voting

(2): Persivul, Sakura Hana,

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Spoiler: Votes since last votecount not reflected above

Quick:

Farkran.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-01 21:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[Farkran]

vote:porkens

sakura's point about shading without voting or even FOS is good, and firebringer is probably town.

This seems to be another bad take which i'd like explained, what did Porkens do to scumread him?

[Quick]

I may let him live for today.

The game does not revolve around you and your stupid pet theories.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game has a lot of drama.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm tempted to vote Porkens just to form 2 dueling wagons, but I wanna vote drew more and that's mainly coz i dont TR him and he SRs me and seems to not understand anything of what im doing at all.

[YellowSnow]

Porkens wagon better than drew wagon by far.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Alt again sorry

[popopopopopopo]

ok i just sat down wiht a big tub of hagen daz and reread the thing
im gonna post some reads


Quick - town
NorwegianboyEE - town
corndog- town

frederik - i hated a lot of the questions he was asking early, seemed like he wasn't going anywhere. but

u could always ask me questions

That's true. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I could possibly ask that will help me determine your alignment.

at least u didn't ask me if i was town. I would have had to say no, otherwise my honesty streak ends.

Since you've been claiming to be scum, I'll just treat you as such.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

this post right here was my exact reaction to firebringer claiming scum last game, so i have no choice but to TR.
farkran - i disagree with his readlist. out of CD and farkran definitely the poorer catchup.
NoPowerOverMe - null. i cant tell the difference between noob and scum will have to attempt another time.
Sakura Hana - null, play is very different from the widely townread play i know from luna fox town, cant get a handle on this
Persivul - ???? where is this dude
Porkens - null- his shading was scummy. i dont care if he tries to explain it after the fact or whatever, it was scummy behaviour. his one sentence posts are kinda unreadable, and he makes a lot of grand statements with little evidence backing them up, which is maybe NAI. there are bigger scumreads for me now, i also think the last post he made was actually quite good.

Mohab500 - scummy whole lotta nothing early, i dont like the constant faking of L-1,L-2 as if its gonna catch anyone out, felt almost like scum looking busy, or PR baiting. made one reads post that wasn't AWFUL, tho some of the reads made no sense (drew the main one), hasn't done any scumhunting before or since that readpost. she straight coasted before the big reads post, and has continued to coast afterwards with no content.
like here's mohabs reason for scumreading firebringer

I don't really like this slot, it feels like they're just distracting everyone from gamesolving rather than trying to gamesolve themselves. Their wagon attempts don't make much sense if at all. They seem like they're trying to buddy all the active players as someone else said. I think there is a probable scum here.

HOW IS THAT NOT JUST LIKE WHAT YOU YOURSELF HAD BEEN DOING UP TO THAT POINT. FUCKING AROUND, BANTERING, CERTAINLY NOT SCUMHUNTING. i think hypocrisy is a strong scumtell.

Did you kids just spend several pages arguing with Sakura regarding their self-meta defense, right after saying that meta doesn't matter and that reading through meta is not alignment indicative since everybody does it?

I just read the last 8 or so pages and my brain completely died. So can someone actually summarize the whole Drew-Sta VS Norwegian or Sakura or CoolDoG or whatever is going on here? What's with the wagon on Porkens, can I find actual reasons here?

You're all fucking weird.

porkens post on scum not enjoying reading the game is very relevant here.
Drew-Sta - scum

I don’t like random voting. Just not my schtick.

its always fun when you catch someone in a bold faced lie
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11762230
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p6046883
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p6037760
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p5855613
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p5955059
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p5941620

it seems in other games that you DO like random voting, and it IS in fact your shtick. so whats the deal?

Answer me this - why the scrutiny on me, and will you do the same to the other late posters?

this attitude creeps up a lot in drew-sta's posts. "why focus on me for lurking, its not fair, others are lurking just as much". that is a scum mentality. lurking town at least understand when they are singled out. and chainsaw is a meaningless buzzword 90% of the time, but especially so WHEN WE DONT HAVE ANY GODDAMN FLIPS TO WORK OFF.

vote:drewsta

[Sakura Hana]

That is L-2 btw

[popopopopopopo]

vote:porkens

sakura's point about shading without voting or even FOS is good, and firebringer is probably town.

This seems to be another bad take which i'd like explained, what did Porkens do to scumread him?

i explained this shortly after read my ISO

[Farkran]

Drewsta should claim now

[Sakura Hana]

Also it's good to know that popo can do scumhunting without being at L-1

[Quick]

ok i just sat down wiht a big tub of hagen daz and reread the thing
im gonna post some reads


Quick - town
NorwegianboyEE - town
corndog- town

frederik - i hated a lot of the questions he was asking early, seemed like he wasn't going anywhere. but

u could always ask me questions

That's true. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I could possibly ask that will help me determine your alignment.

at least u didn't ask me if i was town. I would have had to say no, otherwise my honesty streak ends.

Since you've been claiming to be scum, I'll just treat you as such.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

this post right here was my exact reaction to firebringer claiming scum last game, so i have no choice but to TR.
farkran - i disagree with his readlist. out of CD and farkran definitely the poorer catchup.
NoPowerOverMe - null. i cant tell the difference between noob and scum will have to attempt another time.
Sakura Hana - null, play is very different from the widely townread play i know from luna fox town, cant get a handle on this
Persivul - ???? where is this dude
Porkens - null- his shading was scummy. i dont care if he tries to explain it after the fact or whatever, it was scummy behaviour. his one sentence posts are kinda unreadable, and he makes a lot of grand statements with little evidence backing them up, which is maybe NAI. there are bigger scumreads for me now, i also think the last post he made was actually quite good.

Mohab500 - scummy whole lotta nothing early, i dont like the constant faking of L-1,L-2 as if its gonna catch anyone out, felt almost like scum looking busy, or PR baiting. made one reads post that wasn't AWFUL, tho some of the reads made no sense (drew the main one), hasn't done any scumhunting before or since that readpost. she straight coasted before the big reads post, and has continued to coast afterwards with no content.
like here's mohabs reason for scumreading firebringer

I don't really like this slot, it feels like they're just distracting everyone from gamesolving rather than trying to gamesolve themselves. Their wagon attempts don't make much sense if at all. They seem like they're trying to buddy all the active players as someone else said. I think there is a probable scum here.

HOW IS THAT NOT JUST LIKE WHAT YOU YOURSELF HAD BEEN DOING UP TO THAT POINT. FUCKING AROUND, BANTERING, CERTAINLY NOT SCUMHUNTING. i think hypocrisy is a strong scumtell.

Did you kids just spend several pages arguing with Sakura regarding their self-meta defense, right after saying that meta doesn't matter and that reading through meta is not alignment indicative since everybody does it?

I just read the last 8 or so pages and my brain completely died. So can someone actually summarize the whole Drew-Sta VS Norwegian or Sakura or CoolDoG or whatever is going on here? What's with the wagon on Porkens, can I find actual reasons here?

You're all fucking weird.

porkens post on scum not enjoying reading the game is very relevant here.
Drew-Sta - scum

I don’t like random voting. Just not my schtick.

its always fun when you catch someone in a bold faced lie
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11762230
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p6046883
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p6037760
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p5855613
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p5955059
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p5941620

it seems in other games that you DO like random voting, and it IS in fact your shtick. so whats the deal?

Answer me this - why the scrutiny on me, and will you do the same to the other late posters?

this attitude creeps up a lot in drew-sta's posts. "why focus on me for lurking, its not fair, others are lurking just as much". that is a scum mentality. lurking town at least understand when they are singled out. and chainsaw is a meaningless buzzword 90% of the time, but especially so WHEN WE DONT HAVE ANY GODDAMN FLIPS TO WORK OFF.

vote:drewsta

That pending read is not pending so much anymore. Like what I am seeing here.

[Quick]

Drewsta should claim now

You can't be serious...

[Farkran]

Deadly serious

Wagon is L-2 and sakura hana as a potential vote

[Drew-Sta]

This is madness.

I'll claim at L-1 if you need.

I am literally in back to back meetings from now until 12pm my time (which is effectively four and a half hours).

You idiots haven't even formed a decent argument and half a dozen of you jumped on. Fark me...

[Quick]

You idiots haven't even formed a decent argument...

Pot meets kettle.

[Farkran]

Porkens wagon better than drew wagon by far.

Alt again sorry

Why? Talk to me about porkens and drewsta, because i have them swapped in my reads

[NoPowerOverMe]

Because the porkins wagon at least has decent reasoning and the Drew wagon has none

[Farkran]

But why do you scumread porkens and/or townread drewsta?

[Firebringer]

This game has a lot of drama.

don't they all

[Drew-Sta]

u could always ask me questions

That's true. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I could possibly ask that will help me determine your alignment.

at least u didn't ask me if i was town. I would have had to say no, otherwise my honesty streak ends.

Since you've been claiming to be scum, I'll just treat you as such.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

this post
is a very scummy post
can't blame me
he told us to

... except he's done that all game?

You sure like saying the word "mislynch" a lot.
Like i think it's pretty obvious that my stance on your case about me and Sakura is that i think it's hot garbage, but sure. Keep framing it as OMGUS. See how far it will take you.

I use the word mislynch because it's clear that is what is happening. Secondly, there is truth in my statement of OMGUS because you have, so far, not engaged with my argument at all. Right or wrong - you haven't actually engaged. You simply keep spewing.

You kept using the word "chainsaw" like it would absolve you from any responsibility. But your main argument against me didn't even make sense. Yet you kept pushing. Just makes me believe your entire case was made in bad faith and you never intended to solve or attempt to do anything other than scumread me.

Why doesn't it make sense?! Show me why. I'm a reasonable guy. I'll change my view and adjust if proven wrong. The case wasn't made in bad faith - it was simply formed from a read of the game.

Thirdly, I used chainsaw because it described what you did. Why is that unfair? It doesn't absolve me of responsibility at all - where have I ever said that?

That’s a complete misrep. Go back and reread it, because I’ve quoted and discussed Nor at least a half dozen times.

yeah, maybe you want to talk about AI stuff instead of whatever this is about Norwegian cuz he's Town. laziness isn't a Scum tell,"Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that?" why NOT do that? Seems pretty Townie to point that out actually because I actually think the exact same thing irt what Norwegian is saying about Sakura/Fire. In fact, that last thing is probably one of the Towniest things said itt and you are SRing them for it???

You think he's town, that's fine. I don't. I feel like the way he's reacting to this case is amazingly hostile and defensive. Why?!

The AI stuff - isn't that what I'm doing by engaging with you guys on who I believe is mafia and why?

I re-ISOed quick in light of the recent comments. There are some bits of progress in there, i guess i don't particularly like his playstyle and approach to scumhunting. I may let him live for today.

I also reread Drewsta and i am happier with my vote there. The ISO seems to be a load of questions without conclusions, his only scumread appears to be Norwegianboy which is meh at this point in the game, even i formed some factionality in my reads by being here less than 24 hours. I am known to form reads quickly, but even then there must be some middle ground.

This is lazy reasoning, mate.

[Drew-Sta]

ok i just sat down wiht a big tub of hagen daz and reread the thing
im gonna post some reads


Quick - town
NorwegianboyEE - town
corndog- town

frederik - i hated a lot of the questions he was asking early, seemed like he wasn't going anywhere. but

u could always ask me questions

That's true. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I could possibly ask that will help me determine your alignment.

at least u didn't ask me if i was town. I would have had to say no, otherwise my honesty streak ends.

Since you've been claiming to be scum, I'll just treat you as such.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

this post right here was my exact reaction to firebringer claiming scum last game, so i have no choice but to TR.
farkran - i disagree with his readlist. out of CD and farkran definitely the poorer catchup.
NoPowerOverMe - null. i cant tell the difference between noob and scum will have to attempt another time.
Sakura Hana - null, play is very different from the widely townread play i know from luna fox town, cant get a handle on this
Persivul - ???? where is this dude
Porkens - null- his shading was scummy. i dont care if he tries to explain it after the fact or whatever, it was scummy behaviour. his one sentence posts are kinda unreadable, and he makes a lot of grand statements with little evidence backing them up, which is maybe NAI. there are bigger scumreads for me now, i also think the last post he made was actually quite good.

Mohab500 - scummy whole lotta nothing early, i dont like the constant faking of L-1,L-2 as if its gonna catch anyone out, felt almost like scum looking busy, or PR baiting. made one reads post that wasn't AWFUL, tho some of the reads made no sense (drew the main one), hasn't done any scumhunting before or since that readpost. she straight coasted before the big reads post, and has continued to coast afterwards with no content.
like here's mohabs reason for scumreading firebringer

I don't really like this slot, it feels like they're just distracting everyone from gamesolving rather than trying to gamesolve themselves. Their wagon attempts don't make much sense if at all. They seem like they're trying to buddy all the active players as someone else said. I think there is a probable scum here.

HOW IS THAT NOT JUST LIKE WHAT YOU YOURSELF HAD BEEN DOING UP TO THAT POINT. FUCKING AROUND, BANTERING, CERTAINLY NOT SCUMHUNTING. i think hypocrisy is a strong scumtell.

Did you kids just spend several pages arguing with Sakura regarding their self-meta defense, right after saying that meta doesn't matter and that reading through meta is not alignment indicative since everybody does it?

I just read the last 8 or so pages and my brain completely died. So can someone actually summarize the whole Drew-Sta VS Norwegian or Sakura or CoolDoG or whatever is going on here? What's with the wagon on Porkens, can I find actual reasons here?

You're all fucking weird.

porkens post on scum not enjoying reading the game is very relevant here.
Drew-Sta - scum

I don’t like random voting. Just not my schtick.

its always fun when you catch someone in a bold faced lie
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11762230
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p6046883
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p6037760
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p5855613
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p5955059
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p5941620

it seems in other games that you DO like random voting, and it IS in fact your shtick. so whats the deal?

Answer me this - why the scrutiny on me, and will you do the same to the other late posters?

this attitude creeps up a lot in drew-sta's posts. "why focus on me for lurking, its not fair, others are lurking just as much". that is a scum mentality. lurking town at least understand when they are singled out. and chainsaw is a meaningless buzzword 90% of the time, but especially so WHEN WE DONT HAVE ANY GODDAMN FLIPS TO WORK OFF.

vote:drewsta

You spend all your time on Mohab and Fred, then turn on me?

Secondly, I said I didn't like it, not that I hadn't done it. That there is a blatant misrep.

You idiots haven't even formed a decent argument...

Pot meets kettle.

Mafia called. They want you back as MVP.

Because the porkins wagon at least has decent reasoning and the Drew wagon has none

Exactly.

[Firebringer]

popopop has convinced me. I rescind townread of Mohab.

popopop can have my townread.

[Firebringer]

FB doesn’t like me

i am pretty neutral on u as a person. But ur perspectives do seem more scum than town to me right now.