Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.4

votato

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, Dunnstral

midwaybear

(1): votato

mavsfan41

(1): Quick

Not Voting

(5): ready2rock, VP Baltar, midwaybear, mavsfan41, hellbooks

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-03 01:07:00)

[ready2rock]

Y'all can lynch me, but not until I say what I have to say.

Why is someone with 0 votes on him saying this? I had you as solid town until this last page where you've been doing some super anti-town stuff

[mavsfan41]

Mav can you show where, if at all, you showed a shift of opinion on me in the thread after you had targeted me?

Upon Gamma’s flip. I did have you listed only cause I did tag you. So it could be checked. So rather than say you’re town via Gamma’s flip, there is a more concrete way to check. That’s why you were included/not included in various posts.

@R2R/Dunnstral: say theoretically I somehow did tag two scum members on back to back nights. Both would have received fruit and it probably would’ve come up in the PT. With 2 of the 3 having fruit, it’s entirely possible for a scum PT to figure out what that meant. Also, I only did reveal my full hand at L-1 with votato’s intent to hammer. Say I had asked who had fruit, how would that have worked? Votato is like, this is bs, hammer mavs.

Also, with disloyal roles, I’ve always seen them compliment each other. Without a “fruit checker” role, my role would be useless and it’s possible it’s a red herring but I just don’t see it. Else I’m just going to have to take players at their words that they don’t have fruit?

[ready2rock]

I will say that I that I think I'm inclined to believe that Midway doesn't have fruit, because otherwise I feel like he'd pick up on what you were asking, even if he didn't respond to it

[midwaybear]

i did pick up on it. I just didn't know what it meant

[Quick]

Y'all can lynch me, but not until I say what I have to say. How does that sound? Then once I am dead you can see I was right. How does that sound Midway? Also, it's not D1 anymore, it's D3.

pcoket attempt:denied
idk if i will trust the same tonerads

Bro, you are Town... hellbooks is Town based on that unvote. Dunn is Town based on Non-Associative with Gamma and R2R is Town based on TWO Non-Associatives with Gamma. You do the math, who does that leave? VP is just Scum based on this:

Hi, stop blowing up my spot. I do not want to get NKed

This was to puppy

Which is a soft. And if we look here:

@VP, how do we know you are not pushing miss lynch bait?

I don't even know Miss Lynch...

I kid, I kid.

I think votato is what many might call a "wedge issue." I'm not much of a fan of the poor logic or "fuck you" reaction to being questioned. It feels like inexperienced scum to me ... which is low hanging fruit, but the delicious kind. That being said, I can see people reading that as town or scum...hence why I'm trying to get people on the record on votato. At the very least, I think this conversation will be fruitful for town later. (Much more so than the 'everyone have a single vote on your favorite scum' status we were at in the last vote count.)

We can see Scum wanted to use the idea of a fruit vender all along. Unlucky for VP is that mav had to use it and not VP. Otherwise this was Scum't play all along unless mav actually softed at some point. Will be interesting to see if they had...

[Dunnstral]

We can see Scum wanted to use the idea of a fruit vender all along.

Why, because he said "low hanging fruit" near the start of the game?

That's a huge stretch

[midwaybear]

i think your third quote is a reach no offense

pedit: yeah lol

[Dunnstral]

Alright actually 265 has a lot of fruit references in it, now that I look closer, so you may be onto something

[midwaybear]

me and dunn are basically conf town
i don't think votato's claim really matters
I don't get the second quote string?

[Quick]

Quick's avoidance of actually explaining why his strategy in that situation is better than what I presented is noted. I haven't said one word about PRs as far as I know, especially pre-Blair claim.

Quoting for emphasis.

[midwaybear]

he could have done so without forcing a claim.

blair was going to claim even if quick didn't make the observation

[ready2rock]

There's also this later on

- Everyone should stop saying "low hanging fruit." In fact, I'll say it's actively scummy to dismiss any cases on that point alone because it doesn't have a factual basis that can be countered. It's a subjective statement.

Question is there's a lot of noise at this point in the game, is this a signal or are we stretching here?

[Quick]

God damnit. Votato, did you see my vote in pedit when you posted.

Yours is actually Scummier because of self hammer.

Votato is saying he did not see VP's post; doesn't that make Votato's vote just as bad?

votato just seems Town to me... I find it... hypocritical of you to say this though.

Me being hypocritical doesn't discount my point, does it?

Isn't Votato in your scumread area? How am I supposed to read your reads list?

Probably should be closer to this:

Hellbooks, VP, R2R
Puppy, votato, Dunn
mav

I guess the best way to read my thought process on VP/votato is that there is Scum in one of them, but not both.

And I've held to that. Then mav comes in and implicates votato. Bad move Scum.

[Dunnstral]

he could have done so without forcing a claim.

blair was going to claim even if quick didn't make the observation

^ I don't think that's true, I think quick is what prompted Blair to claim

[midwaybear]

he could have done so without forcing a claim.

blair was going to claim even if quick didn't make the observation

^ I don't think that's true, I think quick is what prompted Blair to claim

yes, but blair was going to cc gamma once he vig claimed, so i think her claim was inevitable

[VP Baltar]

Y'all can lynch me, but not until I say what I have to say. How does that sound? Then once I am dead you can see I was right. How does that sound Midway? Also, it's not D1 anymore, it's D3.

pcoket attempt:denied
idk if i will trust the same tonerads

Bro, you are Town... hellbooks is Town based on that unvote. Dunn is Town based on Non-Associative with Gamma and R2R is Town based on TWO Non-Associatives with Gamma. You do the math, who does that leave? VP is just Scum based on this:

Hi, stop blowing up my spot. I do not want to get NKed

This was to puppy

Which is a soft. And if we look here:

@VP, how do we know you are not pushing miss lynch bait?

I don't even know Miss Lynch...

I kid, I kid.

I think votato is what many might call a "wedge issue." I'm not much of a fan of the poor logic or "fuck you" reaction to being questioned. It feels like inexperienced scum to me ... which is low hanging fruit, but the delicious kind. That being said, I can see people reading that as town or scum...hence why I'm trying to get people on the record on votato. At the very least, I think this conversation will be fruitful for town later. (Much more so than the 'everyone have a single vote on your favorite scum' status we were at in the last vote count.)

We can see Scum wanted to use the idea of a fruit vender all along. Unlucky for VP is that mav had to use it and not VP. Otherwise this was Scum't play all along unless mav actually softed at some point. Will be interesting to see if they had...

Your case hinges on me using the word fruitful. That's hilarious.

Perhaps I just have a vocabulary. Either way, we aren't doing anything until votato speaks

[Quick]

Sorry to hear that, Quick.

To catch you up: We caught scum.

like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?

There are really only two explanations:

1. Gamma is town; Blair is scum with Ready2Rock

2. Blair feels more confident in her Gamma read.

Occam's Razor might be prudent here.

R2R is a better push since it appears Gamma is the better player.

If you thought Blair was claiming cop, why were you making posts like this?

I said I literally guessed at the 1000 post thing. Sticking by that. I did guess. It's just my guess was right.

Very weird day for me rn.

I side with Blair despite my method saying Gamma is Town here. No way Blair fakes that guilty like that as Scum. And if they do, then we just kill Blair and R2R. 2 for 1, would make that trade any time.

Still, let's not rush this...

And here's my thought process immediately after all that.

[Dunnstral]

he could have done so without forcing a claim.

blair was going to claim even if quick didn't make the observation

^ I don't think that's true, I think quick is what prompted Blair to claim

yes, but blair was going to cc gamma once he vig claimed, so i think her claim was inevitable

What do you mean by this; once gamma vig claimed?

[VP Baltar]

There's also this later on

- Everyone should stop saying "low hanging fruit." In fact, I'll say it's actively scummy to dismiss any cases on that point alone because it doesn't have a factual basis that can be countered. It's a subjective statement.

Question is there's a lot of noise at this point in the game, is this a signal or are we stretching here?

People literally said low hanging fruit multiple times in their "cases" against me. Unless you're saying I hypnotized them into saying it so I could respond as a soft claim...which is .... Ok then

[midwaybear]

there isn't necessarily a fruit check so votato's claim might not be helpful
if votato is checker, him/mavs might be w/w

[Dunnstral]

Nevermind, I see what you're talking about; they only claimed vig as a response to Blair claiming a guilty in the first place

[Dunnstral]

Guys, I'm pretty sure "fruit checker" isn't a normal role, and this is a normal game - they've abolished the greylist a while back, such a role doesn't exist in this game, I'm pretty sure

[VP Baltar]

me and dunn are basically conf town
i don't think votato's claim really matters
I don't get the second quote string?

How are you confirmed town without someone to third party confirm you don't have fruit?

[Quick]

Nevermind, I see what you're talking about; they only claimed vig as a response to Blair claiming a guilty in the first place

Bingo. And they thought they could get away with claiming vig because of NPOM.