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[Sakura Hana]

Also

Could we please avoid lynching to give Persivul enough time to catch up.

With the way wagons and votes are going right now we might end up with another Fungi mafia and that's no good.

[Sakura Hana]

I absolutely hate this, I want to become better at mafia but I don't know what to do.

I suggest you hydra with someone willing to teach you.

[NoPowerOverMe]

UNVOTE:
Those emotions dont sound fake to me.

I think you're being naive.

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:
Those emotions dont sound fake to me.

I think you're being naive.

Maybe, but, they have been pretty absent lately and those feelings match up with their latest activity. I feel they are being pretty honest and that sound very townie to me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Disrespectful? Criticism isn't disrespectful. Calling people names is.

if i wanted to call people names i would direct them right at them. I think u and drew got way to defensive of my rant on meta haters and decided u belonged to the group and my rant was at u guys. Which is like ???? since both of u decided to also distance urself from the group i labelled but also felt marginalized by me.

i don't think his reads make sense with what he has posted. His posts look more like he is trying to look like he is doing something.

look at his progression on sakura and see what i mean.

I don't see what you mean. Isn't it possible for someone to have this thought progression?

Firebringer, isn't it possible for someone to have this thought progression?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Post 920 isn't supposed to be there.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

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WRT porkens i'm talking about votes around post ~250 and onwards. None of those looked serious, and the wagon died on its own without need for scum intervention. Also i like most of porken's takes and votes so far.
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Two questions.

1. How did you know the wagon died without scum intervention?
2. If none of Porkens' posts around post 250 and onwards looked serious, how is it that you like most of Porken's takes and votes so far?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Fakran

[CooLDoG]

and also to be questioned.

and also to be questioned.

^ you are a hilarious meme. I agree with the others who think that this is a difficult slot to read. Better slots to lynch than you.

-- Meta point, It is better to lynch people who others talk about, because mafia will engage and thus more information will be had to lynch other targets.

It's a big fat wall. Trump wishes he could build what I built.

And trump stole my goddamn mother fucking vape.
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Coherence not with standing. This is the best reaction it it I have


With unerlines are my demandi, questions.

Spoiler: IamHiTTiNGaVaPeWHiLeReaDiNGDisWaLL

"Bullshit quotes"

In post 87, NoPowerOverMe wrote:
They are a voting member of the town

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I know it's early but entertaining the Jester discussion is bizarre. 87 is the most strange I've seen in a while too.

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Literally says fucking nothing. Sure, there has to be a ping off of it, but this is essentially saying someone should have a ping.

What is your read on who came out as scummy from the jester situation?

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How..? It's the definition of WIFOM.

"

A jester claim is in no way WIFOM? That is the degenerates in the discussion. Not a single fucking one of you dumbasses (

not talking to you Drew here

) thought to ask the mod. We signed up for a normal. What the hell do you think that means? SHit, I ain't played mafia in over years and I know a jester can't be in no normal... still no scum read for drew up to 105

Drew saw ignores 68 where a town read is expressed by NoPower. Drew says,

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The views without justification get my attention here.

"

WHen this was when quick enters the game.

Did you really have to end it that quickly? The fun was just beginning.

@Drew saw, this is why Mohab is scum. Here is the evidence, 142 No talk of that for Drew-sta,,,,

I agree that post 122 is dumb. But you provide no read here. As our master Moazi says, "This is like throwing fire onto fire, and water onto a flood".

I agree 100% with what you says about Sakura's 148.

Do you get a scum read on Sakura from 148 or 165

or [post]170? Pick one, and only one.

Also @drew,

does Porkins 181 count as scum hunting?
On quick's 148, does that make sakura v porkins Town vs Town for you?

I don't buy the 199, 197, 196, 195 read.

"

You seem to be doing a very hard job of townreading yourself for others sake. The continued push for people to meta you: (......)

"

"

... feels like 'Look! Look at it all! I'm town gais - I promise'. Then you turn around and do this:

"

228 keep preaching on that.

POPOPO SHEEPING HOT TAKE WITH THAT 323
idk, need to see the case.

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Agree, it appeared to be a chainsaw.

"

373 vote or it didn't happen.

Agree on 365 395. I scum read these for reasons, hopefully already articulated.

496 and 495

you think that either Fire or Sakura are scum, correct?

On your sakura 517 "

Gee, this appears to be scumhunting. But I thought you didn't do that...

So you think Sakura is town due to scum hunting?

609 Why I am voting Norweegian, over moab, who I want to, but I like the extra vote pressure as the alto wagon as "mlyol" comes about.

635 why I think both are scummy together on my reads.

AND HE VOTES FOR MY DUDE

[CooLDoG]

FFS. Now it works...

@NPOM - I agree.

@FAC - It's pronounced 'Waaaahhll'.

nothing post, is nothing.

You don't actually scum hunt,

Spoiler: Skakura's post 828

I'm also not assuming here - you're making that claim yourself. Claiming it makes you NAI is also unreasonable in one sense. You wanting us to read you as null assumes that reading you as null is not reading you as scum, ergo you're more likely town.

To be read as null has no basis. Why would you not want to have it point to you as town? If you are town, after all, aren't you trying to show your innocence? Why would you want to leave any room to doubt your position?

I mean, I'm fine with getting scumread for stuff, but im helping people read me by telling them that those things arent "scumtells" and just "nulltells" in my specific case. It's not that I dont want to "show my innocence", but if you're gonna scumread me for something i do in all my games then your chance of hitting scum with me is no better than random.

However tho:

The first quote is a bit of a cop out. You basically say 'I only town read, I don't scum read, until I actually do then that's fine, but otherwise I don't do that so trust me I'm town.' You can't make a claim, point to meta then contradict that claim and then wonder why you're being picked up on it.

The only answer I have for this it's, just it's a hard habit to break, I could give you a long explanation on it but

You have played wtih me before

, and back when I was a more scumhunting kind of player even tho that was several years ago. You may not remember that game tho.
When i made an alt called Luna Fox I decided to try townhunting instead and I ended up liking it, so I adopted that to my main, and that's how that happened.
Anyway the thing is that, I decided to not hold back on anything this game because I felt that sometimes I was letting myself be held back by my own fears of expressing my own opinions on things, and I guess as a result part of my playstyle that is scumhunting has resurfaced without me even realizing it. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing tho.

1) I am not clear on if drew is scum reading you or nah.

2) What the actual fuck are ya'll talking about?

Sure you can spend some time on it. It took me between 30 and 45 minutes.

Or longer if you are slow like me.

Post content, who do you read as what?

I get ADHD with huge posts.

Scum flailing?

Becuase you're also assuming that I brought my meta to be townread, when my intention was to tell people that me not scumhunting is NAI for me.

Don't you think that town SHOULD scumhunt though? And if so why don't you want to help town? Is it lack of confidence?

Technically I do tho?
Townhunting is basically find town, and then PoE scum.

But yeah, I mean i found that my scum hit ratio was larger when I townhunt and my getting mislynched ratio was lower.

So now you are admitting that you are not playing to your meta, while not actually play to the way that you say you are going to play.

It's a big fat wall. Trump wishes he could build what I built.

Spoiler:

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Norwegian, thoughts on this Jester talk? What do you think should be done if there is a Jester?

I think jester talk is fine because it can be used to see who's got a scummy mindset or not. But i'm pretty sure it's just a fake claim so i don't personally care much about it. I don't believe this game actually has a jester.

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This game does have way too many inactive players right now.

@Drew-Sta
@CooLDoG
@Blurryface3189
@Persivul

So, Looking at the mod's confirmation post, there's 1 player that hasn't confirmed yet.
Persivul is V/LA according to his profile so that could easily be the cause of him not posting. (Although an ego search turns out he's at least posting on his other games, V/LA supposed to end today so I hope we hear from him)
CD hasn't been on site for 2 days, could be the person that hasnt confirmed.
Looking at Blurry's site activity seems to be someone that posts once every blue moon.
Same with Drew.

Looks like we just got some people that just arent active in general. I don't think we can discern alignment from activity alone.

These two posts in tandem appear to be attempts to get attention off currently posting players and into the dark. Which is moving from difficult to lynch players and on to unable to be defended targets.

The decision to move there when neither of these players have formed strong scum reads they've advertised, plus the fact that they seem unwilling to push a wagon, suggests they're more comfortable with moving something on a player that is not posting, as they will struggle to defend themselves and if lynched, it is easy to absolve responsibility of their actions.
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I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore. Because their read on Sakura makes no sense. Why are they so obvtown bruh?
VOTE: Firebringer

FB's argument was very clear, actually. Your distrust of it seems fishy. I'm not one to white knight, FB could be scum. But your argument around it seems odd.

It's like you want to get rid of them.

Also i'd like Sakura/Quick to actually explain why they tr FB, because that shit makes little sense to me right now.

quick scumreads me dude.

Not hard enough.

This appears to be a scummy, lazy tactic. You're throwing shit at someone and misrepresenting another players view to push your own.

I consider this a tell.

Also, it's a minor take considering half the game is dead. But all of the wagons seen so far have been god-awful. Can we please get a good and decent one going on FB for the sake of my sanity. Tnx.

Including your own?

I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore. Because their read on Sakura makes no sense. Why are they so obvtown bruh?
VOTE: Firebringer

its the fact that i don't think ur trying to manipulate me in anyway. i think and this is just a theory (and u might try it next time ur scum) u would more or less use me as a foundation to get ur placeholder/foot in the game by locking me in for ur read and then maneuver from there. I think ur playing this without that when the easy option of manipulating me exists and I think even if ur going for a more serious game u would still try to manipulate me in some way.

I'm considering the fact that you've TR NPOM, Quick and now Sakura. I'm not seeing how this game makes sense if all scum are in lurkers. Are you just trying to pocket most of the active players? And what's this "they would manipulate me if i was scum" BS? How do you know that would be scum!Sakura's play here?

You're too fluffy and pockety compared to our last game FB. There's a pretty big difference.

In Fungi Mafia FB was actually lightly scum hunting, also picking a couple few TR's. Not handing them out like candy. Also, even though he always jokes. It was intertwined with actual solving. Here he just doesn't seem to care. As evidenced by wagoning either for some personal BS reason that has nothing to do with the game, or encouraging a wagon a dude that hasn't even posted FFS.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11828723

doesn't seem like a lazy scum norwe push

This makes me second guess my view on norwe, but I also think it's a case of nor pushing to get something started on someone.

fungi mafia cliff notes of Norwee:
--> Sometimes gave some insight to players usually mild mannered. Usually only gave long cases for why he thought a player was town.
--> Doesn't try to take control of game or lead. Perfectly willing to take a back seat.
--> Passiveness

Ur scumcase on me doesn't match this.

Yeah, im comfortable with u in my townreads.

Disagree. This isn't what they're doing here IMHO.

Number 1 and 2 don't correlate with their existing behaviour in this game. I checked fungi, they were town. So what are you actually trying to say here?!

I'll come back to 622.

Also i'd like Sakura/Quick to actually explain why they tr FB, because that shit makes little sense to me right now.

Firebringer is an old friend and knows all my weaknesses and It hasnt felt like he's trying to exploit them, a scum!FB would have

probably

TR me much earlier considering I got into the game from the get go and would've been pretty easy to call me TR due to meta and I would be none the wiser. His explanation on his TR of me matches his play around me and so I figured he's probably town.

You're too fluffy and pockety compared to our last game FB. There's a pretty big difference.

Our last game he was pretty obsessed with me, but, I feel he was MORE fluffy on fungi mafia.

Basically my feeling also comes from the fact that Firebringer is a pretty strong player, he is perfectly capable of playing normally,

but where's the fun in that

, and getting himself townread in the process. Considering he's just being fluffy he's just having fun, and being in an environment of people that arent very familiar with him

to my knowledge

he'd have a much easier time just playing normally and getting townread as scum, than whatever he's doing right now, it feels kind of anti-scum, if you know what i mean.

There's a non zero chance he's playing this way in order to pocket specific people

including me

, and you're free to point and laugh at me if he flips scum, but at this point I don't think he's doing anything to advance any specific agenda.

That's buddying to get them in your pocket.

Oh and talking reads, I do agree that now this is more similar to the town norwegian than the scum norwegian i've seen. So norwegian can go into the town bin too.

You and Nor sit at opposite ends of the spectrum on FB, which IMHO is of interest given the links I've drawn to you both.

I don’t think FB flipping scum would equate Sakura scum based on FB’s play around the slot.

And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.

651/post], [post]653, 660, 664, 666, 683 I'll come back to later as there's a lot to analyse in there for me.

Porkens vote in 696 is odd.

Drew has been lacking too. He came, he left. And everyone forgot im.

Now you touch on me again. And not in the 'sexy Norwegian chick' kind of way.

You seem to like to shift focus at times when focus is on you.
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Porkens appears to be trying to trap people but not sure if that's scum hunting or trying to get townies lynched by their own rope.

Tl:dr - I think Nor, Sakura appear to be scum at this point. I think we need to wait for Farken and Pers to contribute before we can proceed much further.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Pages 28-32 are odd and I need to go review again. CoolDog's entrance changed the games dynamic a bit. I have to sift through what they've posted better as my initial thoughts are it didn't read right in placed and also read very well in others.

This is the shortest version I can compile. Not sure if Drew-Sta would approve of this.

~More nothing posting.


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Anyway.

One thing i do not understand is why people think that I self-meta with the purpose of getting townread.

But this was litterally what you were doing earlier.

[Quick]

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Do you plan on Scum hunting at any point, or naw?

[Drew-Sta]

I didn't read anything, and as far as I was concerned I townread drew, but let's get this party rolling baby!

VOTE: drew

L-1

We're going head first into a mislynch and I sure like it. Let me read drew wagon, if he doesn't get hammered by then and I am not convinced, I'll remove my vote. Just claim first is all please.

I feel you dog.

Here's the skinny for all you people who are not quite as sharp as others...

Drew came in acting Scummy on purpose to see who would take. Then he posts a wall which was garbage. But he knew it was garbage, that was the plan. Then he actually starts playing and he gets put at L-1, which is kinda insane IMO.

I appreciate you believing I’m that good a player to formulate such an elaborate reaction test, but the wall I posted (shit or not) was with intent to catch up / comment and also resulted in my read on Nor and Sakura.

I’m out of meetings so starting to re review Nor and Cool.

[Quick]

Cool.

Do this first because I have no idea how to read that slot atm.

[CooLDoG]

Guess I'm irrelevant now.

Willfully making self irrelevant.... Null read.

Becuase you're also assuming that I brought my meta to be townread, when my intention was to tell people that me not scumhunting is NAI for me.

Don't you think that town SHOULD scumhunt though? And if so why don't you want to help town? Is it lack of confidence?

Also my question.

I'm also waiting for an answer, Porkens.

Since I have no other use for my vote now, I will VOTE: Porkens

Why?

anyone up

Had a cookout homie, wasn't able to get online earlier today.

Idk? I already feel kinda burnt out from this game. And it's been a glorious zero flips so far.

It's d1, already giving permission to lurk. Not sure if town or scum. VOTE: unvote

Idk? I already feel kinda burnt out from this game. And it's been a glorious zero flips so far.

got to pace urself my dude.

What the hell do you know about pacing?

What is time?

<- plz answswer.

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It leaves me with the fact that you are still scum trying to look town by reading the game and telling us what you think we think you should think.

Or he could just be town.

It leaves me with the fact that you are still scum trying to look town by reading the game and telling us what you think we think you should think.

@POrkins is this towards fire or Sakura?

<- If you don't answer you are scum.

@Fred, Are you thinking fire or sakura is town?

<- if you do not answer you will get voted.
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@Drew 858
1)

What post of Sakuras is she telling people where to read. Give me the number[/u[
2)

Do you think Sakura is playing to her town or her scum meta?

...) Dumb "meta" bullshit. Stop.
How) You are sheeping me
833

quote) what are the inconstant reads?

835 quote) If you wanna vote for sakura I could follow you, but I want to see what the three votes go, and if fred answers my question.
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I'm now online earlier than projected. I'll continue my reread of the thread.

Posts more about reading than not reading. Straight facts.

That’s2 players i hate now. And no, it has nothing to do with OMGUS.

Your vote on me is actually the definition of OMGUS. Just, fyi.

I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore. Because their read on Sakura makes no sense. Why are they so obvtown bruh?
VOTE: Firebringer

^^ That's a chainsaw. And the posts that follow. So yes, you did do it.

100%. That's my point sheep. Bow down and drink my koolaid. Wasn't I advising someone?

Wiki tells suck anyway.
I guess that’s all you can resort to when you eliminate meta and all beauty from your life?

It mentioned that more research is needed anyway.

more avoiding contento!

That’s2 players i hate now. And no, it has nothing to do with OMGUS.

I don't fully understand the reasons. Is it because they don't use meta?

And they tunnel their vote on town because they don't like my playstyle.

Good point, why is his vote on porkans?

[CooLDoG]

That’s2 players i hate now. And no, it has nothing to do with OMGUS.

I don't fully understand the reasons. Is it because they don't use meta?

And they tunnel their vote on town because they don't like my playstyle.

I'm not going to scum-read you for your playstyle, but I am finding you very hard to read along with Firebringer and his merry men.

First actual post about actual shit.

No need to get personal.

Calling players oldies creates an in-group and an out-group, which could be very divisive.

Agree. We have time to kill. D1 lurker lynches may or may not be bad mojo.

Talking about Drew

Really like how you just clarify things and get everyone up to speed.

u could always ask me questions

That's true. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I could possibly ask that will help me determine your alignment.

at least u didn't ask me if i was town. I would have had to say no, otherwise my honesty streak ends.

Since you've been claiming to be scum, I'll just treat you as such.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

What the actual? This makes no sense. You are saying X is scum with, what 7 days left, and then you vote for the popular wagon. Oh, my god. Text book scummy behavior on the technical analysis. You give the illusion of activity, but say very little.

What do you two think of Porkens? Their recent changes of vote make little sense.

Would you vote for porkins if there was not a wagon on fire?

Disrespectful? Criticism isn't disrespectful. Calling people names is.

So are you voting based on a rage boner? Is being an asshat alignment indicative? Why? Who? What? When? Where?

~~~~~~ Bad read all around~~~~~~~~~~~

GIVE ME A SCUM READ LIST FREDRICK

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[Fredrick A Campbell]

CooLDoG, I was messing around in those few posts. You know as well as I do that those two players (NorwegianboyEE and Firebringer) are not taking this game very seriously, so, I didn't when I was engaging with them.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Do you plan on Scum hunting at any point, or naw?

I have a good guess as to who the scum are.

[CooLDoG]

just tell people who continue to say "meta is trash" that they are trash.

seriously all the oldies who shout meta = bad don't even understand how to use it because they are fucking boomers.

Give me the meta analysis then.

No need to get personal.

Calling players oldies creates an in-group and an out-group, which could be very divisive.

@Fire, I'll show you divisive:

Meta is still bullshit MY GUY.

(I am joking fredrich here ) I take zero beef with people who think meta means something. I will just get to a point where I won't read it. I just want fire to present a case for why a certain player is scum based upon their D1 play thus far. I won't read it, but if you think it is good play, then post it. I long for the day I can spit on the grave of "meta arguments"

[CooLDoG]

I'll be online in exactly 1 hour (0545 GMT) for questioning.

CooLDoG, I was messing around in those few posts. You know as well as I do that those two players (NorwegianboyEE and Firebringer) are not taking this game very seriously, so, I didn't when I was engaging with them.

But Norwegian and fire both seem to actually be playing the game. That's part of my VOTE: unvote

[Firebringer]

Meta is still bullshit MY GUY.

ur face is bullshit

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'll be online in exactly 1 hour (0545 GMT) for questioning.

CooLDoG, I was messing around in those few posts. You know as well as I do that those two players (NorwegianboyEE and Firebringer) are not taking this game very seriously, so, I didn't when I was engaging with them.

But Norwegian and fire both seem to actually be playing the game. That's part of my VOTE: unvote

I have not been using any of their posts to read them because all the posts they have made that I am aware of does not seem to determine their alignment.

[Firebringer]

I'll be online in exactly 1 hour (0545 GMT) for questioning.

CooLDoG, I was messing around in those few posts. You know as well as I do that those two players (NorwegianboyEE and Firebringer) are not taking this game very seriously, so, I didn't when I was engaging with them.

But Norwegian and fire both seem to actually be playing the game. That's part of my VOTE: unvote

I have not been using any of their posts to read them because all the posts they have made that I am aware of does not seem to determine their alignment.

so u think all of reads/thoughts could be from either alignment?

[Sakura Hana]

I have not been using any of their posts to read them because all the posts they have made that I am aware of does not seem to determine their alignment.

What reads do you ACTUALLY have then.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'll be online in exactly 1 hour (0545 GMT) for questioning.

CooLDoG, I was messing around in those few posts. You know as well as I do that those two players (NorwegianboyEE and Firebringer) are not taking this game very seriously, so, I didn't when I was engaging with them.

But Norwegian and fire both seem to actually be playing the game. That's part of my VOTE: unvote

I have not been using any of their posts to read them because all the posts they have made that I am aware of does not seem to determine their alignment.

so u think all of reads/thoughts could be from either alignment?

Yes.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I have not been using any of their posts to read them because all the posts they have made that I am aware of does not seem to determine their alignment.

What reads do you ACTUALLY have then.

Right now, I have yet to find a single real read. I'm still asking questions in a bid to get a read.