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[Poyzin]

In post 68, Quick wrote:
Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

In post 70, Poyzin wrote:
In post 68, Quick wrote:
Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..


You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.


You do a lot of talking and not a lot of reading it seems. I said that at the point I read it. Then I read the rest of what you were doing... so maybe there is progression there that you don't know about. But sure, assume I don't have progression and null read me anyways - that's cool too.

This? I think it was this. Tbh I didn’t want to talk about it immediately because I wanted you to answer all of the other questions I had.

This is not a misrep. Your progression is not natural to the rest of town. Case closed.

I don’t care that you think it’s natural but you decided to keep your thoughts to yourself. Town doesn’t do that.

If it’s not in the thread, then we can’t read your progression, and only get your final thoughts. That’s fine and dandy and all, but your strategy comes at the cost of no progression, or at least, no natural progression. Within 2 posts, you said that I was bussing, implying I’m scum, and tryharding, implying I’m town. THERE IS NO PROGRESSION THERE. Any progression that WOULD have been there, you decided to keep to yourself. You say two completely contradictory things without any evidence to suggest that you came up using the natural flow of thought. While I can’t say you weren’t thinking that, as I have no proof for that, you have not posted any progression of your thoughts, making my post perfectly valid.

[Poyzin]

I do a lot of reading, thank you very much btw <3

[Poyzin]

Fun fact: If I cant see the progression posted in the thread, then I will assume there is no progression because there’s no evidence to suggest that there was, especially in your 180 turn around from me being scum to me being town.

[Quick]

In post 68, Quick wrote:
Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

In post 70, Poyzin wrote:
In post 68, Quick wrote:
Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..


You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.


You do a lot of talking and not a lot of reading it seems. I said that at the point I read it. Then I read the rest of what you were doing... so maybe there is progression there that you don't know about. But sure, assume I don't have progression and null read me anyways - that's cool too.

This? I think it was this. Tbh I didn’t want to talk about it immediately because I wanted you to answer all of the other questions I had.

This is not a misrep. Your progression is not natural to the rest of town. Case closed.

I don’t care that you think it’s natural but you decided to keep your thoughts to yourself. Town doesn’t do that.

If it’s not in the thread, then we can’t read your progression, and only get your final thoughts. That’s fine and dandy and all, but your strategy comes at the cost of no progression, or at least, no natural progression. Within 2 posts, you said that I was bussing, implying I’m scum, and tryharding, implying I’m town. THERE IS NO PROGRESSION THERE. Any progression that WOULD have been there, you decided to keep to yourself. You say two completely contradictory things without any evidence to suggest that you came up using the natural flow of thought. While I can’t say you weren’t thinking that, as I have no proof for that, you have not posted any progression of your thoughts, making my post perfectly valid.

Nice work detective, but you have to prove that I was caught up to make this case that I had no progression. For example, I didn't know how many more posts there were after your posts. In fact, I thought it was the last post of the thread because it was at the bottom of the page. You will notice that I pretty much never count page tops if you look at my ISO and pretty much NEVER comment on making a page top. Now, upon seeing that wasn't the last post of the thread, I caught up. Hence, then additional post(s) I made. Hence, I show clear progression. Nice try, just shows you are not a critical thinker or are Scum and I am leaning Scum based on the fact you knew full well that most everybody was TRing you at a particular point itt.

Thanks for playing, GLHF.

[Poyzin]

My opinion of Marashu and 72 has now dropped after they failed to fulfill on their promise to catch up in the thread tonight.

[Quick]

[Poyzin]

Nice work detective, but you have to prove that I was caught up to make this case that I had no progression. For example, I didn't know how many more posts there were after your posts. In fact, I thought it was the last post of the thread because it was at the bottom of the page. You will notice that I pretty much never count page tops if you look at my ISO and pretty much NEVER comment on making a page top. Now, upon seeing that wasn't the last post of the thread, I caught up. Hence, then additional post(s) I made. Hence, I show clear progression. Nice try, just shows you are not a critical thinker or are Scum and I am leaning Scum based on the fact you knew full well that most everybody was TRing you at a particular point itt.

This is the dumbest gotcha I’ve ever read in my entire mafia tenure.

You still haven’t addressed the fact that

1) You changed your entire train of thought after 3 of my mediocre content posts.

2) You never admitted “maybe it’s not a bus” after you decided to start townreading me.

3) You didn’t ever mention that your reads were weak enough at the time to easily change.



Also that long story about “woe is me there were some shenanigans about page breaks” can be so incredibly easily fabricated that I can’t believe you’re using it as a crutch to hold your “y-y-you’re addicted to misrepping me” fallacious argument.

[Quick]

Nice work detective, but you have to prove that I was caught up to make this case that I had no progression. For example, I didn't know how many more posts there were after your posts. In fact, I thought it was the last post of the thread because it was at the bottom of the page. You will notice that I pretty much never count page tops if you look at my ISO and pretty much NEVER comment on making a page top. Now, upon seeing that wasn't the last post of the thread, I caught up. Hence, then additional post(s) I made. Hence, I show clear progression. Nice try, just shows you are not a critical thinker or are Scum and I am leaning Scum based on the fact you knew full well that most everybody was TRing you at a particular point itt.

This is the dumbest gotcha I’ve ever read in my entire mafia tenure.

You still haven’t addressed the fact that

1) You changed your entire train of thought after 3 of my mediocre content posts.

2) You never admitted “maybe it’s not a bus” after you decided to start townreading me.

3) You didn’t ever mention that your reads were weak enough at the time to easily change.



Also that long story about “woe is me there were some shenanigans about page breaks” can be so incredibly easily fabricated that I can’t believe you’re using it as a crutch to hold your “y-y-you’re addicted to misrepping me” fallacious argument.

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

gibus - Null, kinda lurky with not much else to talk about

What’s the difference between this and the Marashu read?

Marashu has a lack of original ideas. I just straight up have nothing on Gibus.

What are gibus’ original ideas, and why don’t they affect your read of him, because you say that gibus is null?

158 - Town reading Poyzin because he got the game out of RVS
218 - Something involving ongoing games
228 - Pointing out QQ was timid as scum
These are fair points, but nothing about them really feels alignment indicative.

[Quick]

I will fact check this for you...

Spoiler: Post 49

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

[Poyzin]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

[Poyzin]

gibus - Null, kinda lurky with not much else to talk about

What’s the difference between this and the Marashu read?

Marashu has a lack of original ideas. I just straight up have nothing on Gibus.

What are gibus’ original ideas, and why don’t they affect your read of him, because you say that gibus is null?

158 - Town reading Poyzin because he got the game out of RVS
218 - Something involving ongoing games
228 - Pointing out QQ was timid as scum
These are fair points, but nothing about them really feels alignment indicative.

This is good, thanks a ton!

[Quick]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

Ah, but maybe I wait for someone to push something like this as Scum before I sandbag them with it? Has that crossed you mind at all?

[Quick]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

Ah, but maybe I wait for someone to push something like this as Scum before I sandbag them with it? Has that crossed you mind at all?

Nice work detective, but you have to prove that I was caught up to make this case that I had no progression. For example, I didn't know how many more posts there were after your posts. In fact, I thought it was the last post of the thread because it was at the bottom of the page. You will notice that I pretty much never count page tops if you look at my ISO and pretty much NEVER comment on making a page top. Now, upon seeing that wasn't the last post of the thread, I caught up. Hence, then additional post(s) I made. Hence, I show clear progression. Nice try, just shows you are not a critical thinker or are Scum and I am leaning Scum based on the fact you knew full well that most everybody was TRing you at a particular point itt.

This is the dumbest gotcha I’ve ever read in my entire mafia tenure.

You still haven’t addressed the fact that

1) You changed your entire train of thought after 3 of my mediocre content posts.

2) You never admitted “maybe it’s not a bus” after you decided to start townreading me.

3) You didn’t ever mention that your reads were weak enough at the time to easily change.



Also that long story about “woe is me there were some shenanigans about page breaks” can be so incredibly easily fabricated that I can’t believe you’re using it as a crutch to hold your “y-y-you’re addicted to misrepping me” fallacious argument.

Hey, bro, you brought this on yourself...

[Poyzin]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

Ah, but maybe I wait for someone to push something like this as Scum before I sandbag them with it? Has that crossed you mind at all?

I’m afraid I don’t understand what you’re getting at due to the unnecessary sarcasm mixed in. Could you reiterate please?

[Poyzin]

Sorry, not sarcasm this time. I meant to say “your condescending tone”

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Also Jumble, you forgot Teacher in your readslist.

Teacher - Strong townlean, is really constructive with his posts

How is being constructive townie? Fear nice scum.

Take post 325, for example. It tries to restore balance to the thread, by calling for the 1v1 to stop and giving the lurkers something to respond to. On that note, please stop the 1v1. You literally agreed with the post and continued the 1v1 anyways.

[Poyzin]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

Ah, but maybe I wait for someone to push something like this as Scum before I sandbag them with it? Has that crossed you mind at all?

Nice work detective, but you have to prove that I was caught up to make this case that I had no progression. For example, I didn't know how many more posts there were after your posts. In fact, I thought it was the last post of the thread because it was at the bottom of the page. You will notice that I pretty much never count page tops if you look at my ISO and pretty much NEVER comment on making a page top. Now, upon seeing that wasn't the last post of the thread, I caught up. Hence, then additional post(s) I made. Hence, I show clear progression. Nice try, just shows you are not a critical thinker or are Scum and I am leaning Scum based on the fact you knew full well that most everybody was TRing you at a particular point itt.

This is the dumbest gotcha I’ve ever read in my entire mafia tenure.

You still haven’t addressed the fact that

1) You changed your entire train of thought after 3 of my mediocre content posts.

2) You never admitted “maybe it’s not a bus” after you decided to start townreading me.

3) You didn’t ever mention that your reads were weak enough at the time to easily change.



Also that long story about “woe is me there were some shenanigans about page breaks” can be so incredibly easily fabricated that I can’t believe you’re using it as a crutch to hold your “y-y-you’re addicted to misrepping me” fallacious argument.

Hey, bro, you brought this on yourself...

What do you mean by this?

[Poyzin]

Also Jumble, you forgot Teacher in your readslist.

Teacher - Strong townlean, is really constructive with his posts

How is being constructive townie? Fear nice scum.

Take post 325, for example. It tries to restore balance to the thread, by calling for the 1v1 to stop and giving the lurkers something to respond to. On that note, please stop the 1v1. You literally agreed with the post and continued the 1v1 anyways.

Sorry Jumble, but my pride requires that I stand my ground.

[Quick]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

Ah, but maybe I wait for someone to push something like this as Scum before I sandbag them with it? Has that crossed you mind at all?

I’m afraid I don’t understand what you’re getting at due to the unnecessary sarcasm mixed in. Could you reiterate please?

See, I don't get this...

How do you expect to play Mafia if you can never read between the lines? You either suck at this game or you are Scum. I DON'T think you are being genuine here. I think you know what you are doing and are just playing up the newb card. But I can go back and look at your earlier posts to see what level you think you play at if you want?

[Poyzin]

Also Jumble, you forgot Teacher in your readslist.

Teacher - Strong townlean, is really constructive with his posts

How is being constructive townie? Fear nice scum.

Take post 325, for example. It tries to restore balance to the thread, by calling for the 1v1 to stop and giving the lurkers something to respond to. On that note, please stop the 1v1. You literally agreed with the post and continued the 1v1 anyways.

#328 is my personal favorite Teacher post, but I do see what you mean. I suppose you’re right here.

[Poyzin]

and are just playing up the newb card.

Fuck you man. That’s 5 times. FIVE TIMES!

Time to actually read the rest of the post.

[gibus]

It looks like Quick is being scumread for his style of play, and not for being scummy. I don't like the wagon on him.
Jumble seemed opportunistic hopping on the wagon (#197), and his reason was identical to 72's (#121). I can see the low effort vote coming from scum.
#279 needs an explanation.

VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers

[Poyzin]

You know, there is an easy way to tell if I am lying here. Have you considered to fact check me?

Yes, #49 is at the bottom of the page. Yes, I’m tempted to believe it based on the sheer absurdity of its nature. Just don’t kid yourself; your progression was not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination, so you can drop that high-and-mighty attitude for a couple minutes because there was no way in heck that was obvious, because you waited until now to finally bring up the page number aspect about the wall being at the bottom of the page. (What you said in the original post was not helpful in any way.)

Ah, but maybe I wait for someone to push something like this as Scum before I sandbag them with it? Has that crossed you mind at all?

I’m afraid I don’t understand what you’re getting at due to the unnecessary sarcasm mixed in. Could you reiterate please?

See, I don't get this...

How do you expect to play Mafia if you can never read between the lines? You either suck at this game or you are Scum. I DON'T think you are being genuine here. I think you know what you are doing and are just playing up the newb card. But I can go back and look at your earlier posts to see what level you think you play at if you want?

“Sandbagging someone” means absolutely nothing to me. It’s not terminology that I’m familiar with at my home site. Frankly, I’m pretty sure the one who cannot critical think is you. I asked you politely if you could reiterate using different language, but instead I’m condescendingly flamed by you for a completely reasonable request. I’m sorry I snapped at you. I shouldn’t have. But that was the freaking fifth time I’ve said that I’m not playing any time of noob or dumb card. I’m not bad at the game. I’ve played mafia for several years, and currently play on 4 different forums. Never have I heard “sandbagging” as it pertains to mafia, so your post means nothing to me. The fact of the matter is that you think that a blatantly NAI request means that I’m scum or I suck at the game means that you probably should reconsider what the foundation of your read on me really is.

[Poyzin]

I’ve decided that from this point forward, I’m going to act anti-town an no longer interact with Quick in any capacity. It’s better for my mental health. Any pressing questions can be asked through a medium. His “case” is fallacious horseshit anyway and is too offbase for me to begin to address. I’ve never played a game where I’ve been so obvtown.