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[Quick]

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Who's the town bloc?

Too early to say...

[Persivul]

I didn't read anything, and as far as I was concerned I townread drew, but let's get this party rolling baby!

VOTE: drew

L-1

We're going head first into a mislynch and I sure like it. Let me read drew wagon, if he doesn't get hammered by then and I am not convinced, I'll remove my vote. Just claim first is all please.

Did I miss the memo? Is overt scumminess now acceptable? I'd vote this but I don't know where the VC is.

[Persivul]

I have no idea. I lost the game at page 30, no matter how much I reread I can't understand a single fucking thing about your wagons, your reads, your decisions, all of it is just confusing and utter, fucking, bullshit. The wagon on Drew makes no sense, Quick and NPOM are wagon-hopping like crazy for no fucking reason, Firebringer is still being a clown that has no actual reads, Porkens randomly changed their vote to Norwegian. Everybody is posting fucking garbage walls of text point by point for deep shit analysis regarding why this one line definitely confirms a person as scum, scum is probably manipulating the game as easily as can be, you guys have no actual wagons or reads for yourselves besides random OMGUS garbage and wagons that come and go every two pages. Absolute fucking circus, what's one shit vote going to do? I don't understand anything, the game is too confusing and none of you have any clear posts regarding your reads or why you read a specific person as a certain alignment, it's all 'oh your argument is garbage kid I'll vote you only scum makes terrible arguments like that against me!!!!'. My reads are garbage too, why does it matter if I start random voting if it's the same result either way?

I generally don't toss out early town reads, but this is highly likely to be town.

[Persivul]

I have no idea. I lost the game at page 30, no matter how much I reread I can't understand a single fucking thing about your wagons, your reads, your decisions, all of it is just confusing and utter, fucking, bullshit. The wagon on Drew makes no sense, Quick and NPOM are wagon-hopping like crazy for no fucking reason, Firebringer is still being a clown that has no actual reads, Porkens randomly changed their vote to Norwegian. Everybody is posting fucking garbage walls of text point by point for deep shit analysis regarding why this one line definitely confirms a person as scum, scum is probably manipulating the game as easily as can be, you guys have no actual wagons or reads for yourselves besides random OMGUS garbage and wagons that come and go every two pages. Absolute fucking circus, what's one shit vote going to do? I don't understand anything, the game is too confusing and none of you have any clear posts regarding your reads or why you read a specific person as a certain alignment, it's all 'oh your argument is garbage kid I'll vote you only scum makes terrible arguments like that against me!!!!'. My reads are garbage too, why does it matter if I start random voting if it's the same result either way?

ur acting like a clown

The game really isn’t that bad. Try to be more mentally stable.

These are:
- mean
- not looking for AI content in the post.

[Persivul]

Mohab post seems fake

What's your main?

[Firebringer]

These are:
- mean
- not looking for AI content in the post.

i couldn't make heads or tails if it was scum or town motivated post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've seen scum and town freak out exactly in the manner shown. It's not AI.

[Firebringer]

why haven't u bowed before the king yet

[Persivul]

These are:
- mean
- not looking for AI content in the post.

i couldn't make heads or tails if it was scum or town motivated post.

If the announced VCs are correct, you had a person at L-3 freak out , while another person is at L-1.

What's the scum motivation for faking that? Seems to me scum would either announce intent on the other wagon, or go quiet and hope that the other wagon went to lynch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It doesn't have to be fake. The emotions are probably real, but why does that make them town?

[Firebringer]

If the announced VCs are correct, you had a person at L-3 freak out , while another person is at L-1.

the people announcing L-? are trolling. Especially Mohab. he keeps making up someone is at L-1 or L-2 or some shit. It was kind of funny for awhile but got old fast.

[Firebringer]

It doesn't have to be fake. The emotions are probably real, but why does that make them town?

the emotions seemed real but its like:

from scum pov:
> frustrated at pace of game unable to keep up.

from town pov:
> frustrated with pace of game unable to keep up.

Its exactly the same.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's no scum motive and there's no town motive. So concluding town based on just that, when you were in your previous post scumreading them Persivul...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also stop mindmelding with me recently FB, it's not nice.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Porkens

L-3

[Drew-Sta]

Spoiler:

Norwegian, thoughts on this Jester talk? What do you think should be done if there is a Jester?

I think jester talk is fine because it can be used to see who's got a scummy mindset or not. But i'm pretty sure it's just a fake claim so i don't personally care much about it. I don't believe this game actually has a jester.

I never understood this. This is what pinged me in the beginning. It seemed like they were fishing for insight of a player.

Lukewarm take.
VOTE: Mohab500

No reasoning. Just a hunch from Nor. I can live with that but it's something to note for further on.

Don’t have strong reads yet, but gut says Mohab for posturing all the time. Sakura Hana’s "low hanging fruit" shit also came out of nowhere. And i could see it as scum trying to look good by TR a popular scumread at the time.

Don’t have strong reads yet, but gut says Mohab for posturing all the time. Sakura Hana’s "low hanging fruit" shit also came out of nowhere. And i could see it as scum trying to look good by TR a popular scumread at the time.

What is posturing?

What is posturing?

I feel like he's been way too confident and maybe putting on a performance.

Well, to be honest. I could buy the read on Mohab. Because i've seen their play on a mini like ages ago as town, and it was pretty damn erratic. I don't know if they tend to be more calculating as scum though. Only seen their towngame.

This game does have way too many inactive players right now.

@Drew-Sta
@CooLDoG
@Blurryface3189
@Persivul

There's no progression, no development or narrowing view on Mohab. Just... the vote. This pinged me a bit. If they're scum hunting, why not form a more solid view or focus on them more?

I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore. Because their read on Sakura makes no sense. Why are they so obvtown bruh?
VOTE: Firebringer

This was my major ping. The chainsaw on FB. This, based also on FB and Sakura's weird little dance on why they're townreading each other, made me think 'this is distancing'. It appeared out of the blue, and it was consequential to what FB and Sakura did. So, I thought, this is FB and Nor distancing from each other, and the Sakura/FB thing was them establishing a towncore. It seems conspiratorial but it made sense at that time. It made me think Sakura and Nor are scum for sure, and FB was suspicious.

So this is the initial context. Then comes:

its the fact that i don't think ur trying to manipulate me in anyway. i think and this is just a theory (and u might try it next time ur scum) u would more or less use me as a foundation to get ur placeholder/foot in the game by locking me in for ur read and then maneuver from there. I think ur playing this without that when the easy option of manipulating me exists and I think even if ur going for a more serious game u would still try to manipulate me in some way.

I'm considering the fact that you've TR NPOM, Quick and now Sakura. I'm not seeing how this game makes sense if all scum are in lurkers. Are you just trying to pocket most of the active players? And what's this "they would manipulate me if i was scum" BS? How do you know that would be scum!Sakura's play here?

You're too fluffy and pockety compared to our last game FB. There's a pretty big difference.

Also your Persivul push is laughable at best, and downright scumlord-y at worst.

Also i'd like Sakura/Quick to actually explain why they tr FB, because that shit makes little sense to me right now.

Also, it's a minor take considering half the game is dead. But all of the wagons seen so far have been god-awful. Can we please get a good and decent one going on FB for the sake of my sanity. Tnx.

Tbh, i feel like that's exactly what you'd say considering your playstyle so far? Or do you think scum and town!you would react differently to my push here?

i am asking u, do u think i should be townreading u here based on ur play so far.

Here's a better question. Do you think all of the scum are in lurkers, and is Persivul seriously a good wagon in your eyes? I was under the impression it was a joke. But it seems like you were actually seriously wanting to lazily derail the game into a lurker lynch.

I don’t think FB flipping scum would equate Sakura scum based on FB’s play around the slot.

I am strongly against the Firebringer wagon, for the record.

If you could go into more detail about why you TR him that would be great.

By this stage, he's maintained his argument. Which, to be fair, is consistent, but, the following then happens as Cooldog enters:

@Cooldog
I bet you're going to townread someone extremely boring like Fredrick A Campbell. Ugh, old-fashioned snobs.

Why did you say that the two of them (sakura/monab) are scummy, but then you go onto vote on the same wagon that one of them is on?

Reads change over time. Novel concept i know.
I'm town on Mohab right now, unlike you i liked their reads list.
Sakura i believe to be town if Firebringer is scum. And that's my current belief. I'd quote my case on him, but you hate meta so whatever.

"Why are they so obvtown" is referring to me asking why FB is townreading Sakura so strongly based on very little reasoning. WHEN WILL YOU UNDERSTAND BASIC HUMAN LANGUAGE?

VOTE: Cooldog
Fuck you.

So this escalates for... basically Cooldog triggering Nor. Or something. Despite Nor saying this:

If I voted for firebringer would you think I was town?

It wouldn't make much of a difference. My read on you is still 'likely town' based on what i've seen so far. You've basically set up a premise of "fuck meta" and targeted both me and Firebringer using the same metric. So which one of us you vote doesn't really matter as far as my read is concerned atm. But it is annoying because i know i'm town and would rather see a wagon on Firebringer whom i scumread.

^^ Personally this speaks volumes. It's an AtE response by Nor. He town reads a guy, then does an immediate turn and now we're voting, and shit is hitting the fan.

So from glancing, most of the arguments on me just aren’t very good...? That’s twice now i’ve gotten dumped a bunch of musings and lazy detective work regarding my usage of hyperboles.
What’s your best argument in favour of scum!me from your POV Drew?

I think at this point, my main argument against you is you've not really scum hunted (save your read on FB, who at that point is the 'town leader' and driving the conversation), and your reactions to attention, which we'll continue to see, is touchy-nervousness. That, to me, is scum indicative because why does town ever get nervous?

I also think your chainsaw of FB stands out glaringly. It makes no sense. You literally took a massive double take on him, but no you haven't done anything about it at all.

If he's scum, why haven't you actually pressured him?

your chainsaw of FB.

So i’ve read what it means and i’ve never done this.

Wiki tells suck anyway.
I guess that’s all you can resort to when you eliminate meta and all beauty from your life?

This here is effectively an admission that 861 was not you representing things properly, and you then try to downplay it in 862. I won't say it's lying, but it is certianly twisting the truth. Again, nervousness. If you had chainsawed someone, and two people have seen it and mentioned it, why would you not admit it when it is said?

Your appeal to FB here on whether you did or not chainsaw was curious. Why ask a guy you don't town read whether you did something or not? It looked like you were trying to get other people to save your ass, so you walked in numbers.

Drew and Corndog could both either be scum or town depending on whether they are genuinely tunnely players or they are scum coming up with awful reasonings for scumreading me. Either way, they are always frustrating to deal with.

Ohhh i think i finally get it.
So Drew's got it in his head that Sakura is scum, and they view my supposed "defense" of Sakura by attacking FB as a indirect defense of Sakura. Even though i was actually attacking FB because i saw their TR of Sakura as a pocketing attempt. So they either misunderstood or misrepresented my post to suit this narrative. Am i right?

Alright boys and Drew-sta's in the crowd, let uncle Norwee explain basic shit to y'all. I'll only do this once so pay attention now! ^v^

I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore.

^This part of my post is indicating how a previous trust of Firebringer's town qualities had at this time been betrayed by the harsh and never ending passing of time, an concise explanation of this development follows in the next part of the quote. Which is as follows:

Because their read on Sakura makes no sense.

Here i am explaining how i saw Firebringer's read on Sakura as making little sense based upon further analysis. The inquiry is as follows:

Why are they so obvtown bruh?

Upon further examination, perhaps a rewrite would have been better for the purposes of clarifying my posts so that the more denser people in the crowd would be capable of correctly following the read progression in my excellent and capable mind.
To sum things up, my "why are they so obvtown bruh" sentence is asking the question to the subject: [Firebringer] why the defendant: [Sakura] is so, as he would put it. "town". When at the time i saw their little incursive explanations about Sakura's alignment leanings as quite scummy and very pockety.

VOTE: Firebringer

This needs no further explanation as it's as blunt as it comes.

Thank you~

I felt it odd that you now chose to clarify these posts. Like what you posted in the first place was somehow not what you meant. The other point is - we weren't dissecting what you meant, as that was clear. We were dissecting the intent behind it.

Why r u mad at Firebringer now Drew? I've been much more disrespectful. And i relish in it.

VOTE: Drew-sta
Does anyone townread him?

This flip here is what is interesting. You're SR'ing Mohab, then FB, then Cooldog, then me... You're flipping without making cases. At this point, and with the 'Does anyone town read him?' it seemed you were more interest in what people thought of your vote against me, than in your vote against me.

To me, that's scum behaviour.

You sure like saying the word "mislynch" a lot.
Like i think it's pretty obvious that my stance on your case about me and Sakura is that i think it's hot garbage, but sure. Keep framing it as OMGUS. See how far it will take you.

Yet you've not refuted it at all in any detail.

A wall about Nor and what has led me to believe he is scum.

I basically think it is an accumulation of things, in particular his lack of emphasis or push on any one player, particularly those who he claims he scum reads. It seems he's being opportunistic, and his jump onto my wagon identified that to me quite clearly.

Thus, I hold my vote on Nor.

[Firebringer]

@drew have u considered u might just be in tunnel vision right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here's a thought to consider. MAYBE i'm just town? Did you ever entertain that notion Drew? No? That's why i'm still voting you. And probably will keep doing today.

[Persivul]

the emotions seemed real but its like:

from scum pov:
> frustrated at pace of game unable to keep up.

from town pov:
> frustrated with pace of game unable to keep up.

Its exactly the same.

Difference is that scum don't have to actually solve anything. Town does. Scum can get by on skimming, particularly in the first couple days. Town need to actually read for content, and therefore are much more likely to be frustrated by game pace.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Drew
You're basically just describing my actions, whom are certainly not in any way scum indicative. And then saying i'm scum for it? Like what? Town!you does this? I hardly believe it.

[Firebringer]

the emotions seemed real but its like:

from scum pov:
> frustrated at pace of game unable to keep up.

from town pov:
> frustrated with pace of game unable to keep up.

Its exactly the same.

Difference is that scum don't have to actually solve anything. Town does. Scum can get by on skimming, particularly in the first couple days. Town need to actually read for content, and therefore are much more likely to be frustrated by game pace.

ummm my experience begs to differ on that. Ive seen plenty of scum get frustrated with pacing.

[Quick]

@MOD

, Can we get a VC?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

From experience, is it better to read ISOs or reread the whole thread?

[Persivul]

BTW, I informed mod that I was VLA for 5.22 - 5.25 but it didn't get into the notes.

@mod, please confirm this in thread.

[Quick]

BTW, I informed mod that I was VLA for 5.22 - 5.25 but it didn't get into the notes.

@mod, please confirm this in thread.

Someone already said you were V/LA during this time. Any idea who that might be or how they might know?