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[Farkran]

The timing and nature of that claim is suicidal as scum. You don't lock yourself in a VT claim to move out from rvs unless you are town

[Quick]

The timing and nature of that claim is suicidal as scum. You don't lock yourself in a VT claim to move out from rvs unless you are town

Thanks, you didn't answer my question.

[Farkran]

I already provided a read on you, and on the subject of our discussion, which is all the answers you should be interested in

Making snarky comments to the purpose of appearing better than other players is pointless, i don't care about fueling your ego and i'm not interested in lynching you today so either wagon me or move on

[Quick]

I already provided a read on you, and on the subject of our discussion, which is all the answers you should be interested in

Making snarky comments to the purpose of appearing better than other players is pointless, i don't care about fueling your ego and i'm not interested in lynching you today so either wagon me or move on

Well, see... I want to let you in on a little secret. You ready?

I actually SR you

[Mohab500]

So, I went ahead and checked the ISO of Drew-Sta in an attempt to understand the wagon. I think I feel a little more comfortable reading the wagon now.
It feels like their play is still fairly defensive more than anything else. I don't really see much focus on solving or even reading beyond that, most of it is just defense which is what's starting to irk me. They had one consistent read on Nor but that don't really emphasize any other reads or anything beyond that. I thought earlier the defensiveness could come from town seeing as it's more consistent/natural in their play, but at the same time, the lack of scumhunting or reading isn't good at all, so I am starting to get scum vibes a little from them. Furthermore, their points are sometimes nonsensical.

And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.

Quote's messed up but anyways, there is no certainty in the original post: it's just a player giving their thoughts. Drew's insistence on this read is quite frank on its own, but misrepresentation and forced scumreads from them kind of sour the whole thing.

I can be slightly more comfortable with this lynch, I guess, since I understand its basis. I still think there are other slots to look at (hello NPOM!), but I guess if town really wants this lynch, they can have it? I am not really adverse to it anymore.

[Quick]

So, I went ahead and checked the ISO of Drew-Sta in an attempt to understand the wagon. I think I feel a little more comfortable reading the wagon now.
It feels like their play is still fairly defensive more than anything else. I don't really see much focus on solving or even reading beyond that, most of it is just defense which is what's starting to irk me. They had one consistent read on Nor but that don't really emphasize any other reads or anything beyond that. I thought earlier the defensiveness could come from town seeing as it's more consistent/natural in their play, but at the same time, the lack of scumhunting or reading isn't good at all, so I am starting to get scum vibes a little from them. Furthermore, their points are sometimes nonsensical.

And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.

Quote's messed up but anyways, there is no certainty in the original post: it's just a player giving their thoughts. Drew's insistence on this read is quite frank on its own, but misrepresentation and forced scumreads from them kind of sour the whole thing.

I can be slightly more comfortable with this lynch, I guess, since I understand its basis. I still think there are other slots to look at (hello NPOM!), but I guess if town really wants this lynch, they can have it? I am not really adverse to it anymore.

Defensiveness is NAI.

Come on players, you can do better than this...

[Mohab500]

I didn't say defensiveness is the sole reason to read Drew-Sta as whatever: a combination of other factors, like how they read others, how active they are in starting wagons, how often their reads change, etc... all that bullshit, combined with their defensiveness might give scum vibes for any reason or other.

[Mohab500]

It feels like the way this game is headed, anything can be 'NAI' or 'WIFOM' or whatever. Yes, you can do better.

[Quick]

Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on

VOTE: drewsta

Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?

Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.

Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?

[Farkran]

Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on

VOTE: drewsta

Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?

Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.

Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?

Did you misquote?

[Farkran]

Because i mean if you were talking to me, it's been a while since i'm not scumreading you and i have been saying it at least three times in my most recent posts, so i don't really understand your last comment

[Quick]

Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on

VOTE: drewsta

Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?

Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.

Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?

Did you misquote?

No, I didn't.

Do you have a response or would you rather keep your status as "cool kid"?

[Mohab500]

Actually?

VOTE: Farkran

Your vote is basically on the guy who replaced in and is catching up.

Keys unlock locks

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: norweeganbouee

This is a pretty bad vote tbh.

@quick, then why don't you talk about him for pages after the vote?

Actually? VOTE: Farkran

Your vote is basically on the guy who replaced in and is catching up.

What's the point of these posts? I could dig up more but the formatting is difficult for me to keep doing like that, but basically you keep making comments regarding other's votes and voting history and whatever as if simple 'your vote sucks!' posts matter to people at all. You should probably quit that and start explaining reasons or something comprehensible.

Anyways, rest of the ISO looks decent I guess. Lots of activity here, attempts to direct/lead town, I like their consistency in their reads and not constant wagon hopping like most other players here. Still a town lean for now, I guess.

[Farkran]

Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?

Actually?

VOTE: Farkran

This is a good vote.

No, but it is a good reaction.

It's what town does

when they don't understand the gamestate and need to reassess.

Drewsta vs norwee i still pick norwee (as a townread)

Based on the overnight posting, i think that

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Quick is town

, the reactions are genuine
- Cooldog is town, he's actually one of the very few who is actually making an effort, i'd be surprised to see him flip scum in a gamestate like this

I am dropping my confidence on:
- Sakura, that change of mind was based on very little reason. You know how i play, you should know what to expect. I crumbed at you quite straightforwardly.
- Firebringer. There's really too much noise in his ISO, i'd like you to tone it down a bit and talk about actual content.

All my other previous reads stand, although popopo improved.

Quick really has a surface level playstyle,

but it's town

Cooldog and persivul are also town for the effort in maintaining the game on the right track. With a gamestate like this, scum would be suicidal to make an effort in scumhunting when almost nobody else does that.

The guys we should pay attention to are those who thrive in the shitfest and either refuse to dish out actual content (i.e. drewsta) and those who don't commit to anything (i.e. firebringer)

Nopower is town for the claim

Mohab is weird because she knows how to fakealert L-X but then says she has no clue about what she should do, but it's not a valid lynch today imo. There is effort coming from there too, maybe not enough deductive experience to survive in the shitfest

Frederick, popopo, sakura, norwee are currently in my null/nulltown area

Porkens still town

I am kinda tired to see the same errors from town over and over again and i can't bother to take leadership after repping in 30 pages post-start when nobody would listen to me anyways. I'm still waiting on a claim from drewsta

Otherwise ask me questions

Quick, you should take a break and take time to think because you're not paying attention and this will hinder your judgement ability

[Quick]

Because i mean if you were talking to me, it's been a while since i'm not scumreading you and i have been saying it at least three times in my most recent posts, so i don't really understand your last comment

Let me refresh your memory..

You were voting for me. Then in the span of 5 hours, you ISO'd me and decided I was Town. Was there any reason for the Drew vote? It seemed like you sheeped me, but that about all the reason I can see for the vote. If not, why vote there? Just for happy, happy, joy, joys? It makes your play look opportunistic. I thought we were playing Mafia not, "Let me see how charismatic I can be." Do you have a reason for why you about faced me so quickly and immediately went from Scum reading me to sheeping me? What about my ISO did you like? Did you think there was a chance I would get a wagon on me at some point? Is that maybe why you voted me saying you SR me? Or maybe it was never your intention to actually stay on me? If so, then the progression from Scum>Town looks unnatural. So are you just jumping on anything and everything to see what wagon sticks and you never have to rightly explain your reads because you are charming? Tell me. I am listening.

P-Edit: read above and let me know if you still stick with that read.

[Mohab500]

Re: Prokens wagon, I get the feeling Porkens can't really commit to anything? Their vote is constantly changing, a lot of their reads are non-existent or edge 'I am not sure' kind of thing, lots of posts seem purely based on feeling/gut which isn't really much of a scum tell but it gets kind of excessive with their playstyle. He asks some questions occasionally, has some logical posts here and there, but nothing outweighs the scuminess from the other action. I am okay with this lynch now, too, I guess, just at about or slightly lower than the level for Drew-Sta.

[Quick]

I guess, just at about or slightly lower than the level for Drew-Sta.

Might I know how you determine such things?

[Mohab500]

I've still got to recheck popopopo, and read Farkan and pensivul or whatever his name was. I feel like my brain is going to explode from all the text, so I'll do them later if that's okay with you all.

Far as I've seen, you guys get really active about 2-3 hours from now. I'll try to free up time to have real time discussion if at all possible.

[Farkran]

My first impression scumread was based on you being fighting against the gamestate, and i stand up to that, but after ISOing and seeing how you react to things in real time i think it's part of your player profile as town. I don't fancy your playstyle, but i can relate to that because i am also a high ego player. I decided that this kind of play is more likely to come from town with a player profile like you have, and i've been pretty straightforward about it whereas you were still thinking i was scumreading you - you are an impulsive tunneler, which is why you should take a break and reassess. You can take this advice or keep thinking that you are the only one doing good and everyone else is crap - one path will make you feel satisfied postgame, the other will make you just feel bad. Your choice.

As for drewsta, i have talked a lot about him as well. His post are defensive in nature, there's no solve attempts, overall the content/posts ratio is low especially in the early part of his ISO. After he has been wagoned up, he started to dish out more, but the posting quality is still lackluster which suggests that he is struggling to make credible reads. I want a claim because drewsta is a slot that i don't want to sort later, locking himself into a position that may be verified over night is how we progress in terms of information as town - if the claim is unsatisfactory, it's also a good lynch for today.

I am also willing to switch to firebringer, as long as we can form some consensus before we get to 24 hours to deadline and scum is allowed to lolvote anything because "it was eod".

[Kerset]

Vote Count 1.08

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Drew-Sta (4):

NorwegianboyEE, Farkran, popopopopopopo, Porkens,

Porkens (3):

Firebringer, NoPowerOverMe, Fredrick A Campbell,

NorwegianboyEE (2):

Drew-Sta, Mohab500,

Farkran (2):

Quick, Sakura Hana,

Quick (1):

CooLDoG.

Fredrick A Campbell (0):

CooLDoG (0):

Persivul (0):

Firebringer (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

NoPowerOverMe (0):

Mohab500 (0):

popopopopopopo (0):

Not Voting

(1): Persivul,

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Spoiler: Votes since last votecount not reflected above

Mohab500 (0):

CooLDoG.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-01 21:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Drew

[Quick]

My first impression scumread was based on you being fighting against the gamestate, and i stand up to that, but after ISOing and seeing how you react to things in real time i think it's part of your player profile as town. I don't fancy your playstyle, but i can relate to that because i am also a high ego player. I decided that this kind of play is more likely to come from town with a player profile like you have, and i've been pretty straightforward about it whereas you were still thinking i was scumreading you - you are an impulsive tunneler, which is why you should take a break and reassess. You can take this advice or keep thinking that you are the only one doing good and everyone else is crap - one path will make you feel satisfied postgame, the other will make you just feel bad. Your choice.

As for drewsta, i have talked a lot about him as well. His post are defensive in nature, there's no solve attempts, overall the content/posts ratio is low especially in the early part of his ISO. After he has been wagoned up, he started to dish out more, but the posting quality is still lackluster which suggests that he is struggling to make credible reads. I want a claim because drewsta is a slot that i don't want to sort later, locking himself into a position that may be verified over night is how we progress in terms of information as town - if the claim is unsatisfactory, it's also a good lynch for today.

I am also willing to switch to firebringer, as long as we can form some consensus before we get to 24 hours to deadline and scum is allowed to lolvote anything because "it was eod".

Nope. I am totally calculated, actually.

[CooLDoG]

VOTE: porkins

[Quick]

VOTE: Drew

Why?

[Porkens]

Very, very happy with my vote.

Do you think scumquick does all this for towndrew?