Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

[Quick]

Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

So at the time of this question, Blair’s VC was 2, NPOM and Quick. NPOM voted Blair way back in 189. Quick voted Blair closer to this post in 270 while baiting “feel free to ask me for my reasoning” which makes me believe that VP Baltar is directing the above at Quick.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

@Quick: so this was an early game distancing ploy? This is your VP Baltar/R2R thingy all over again. Where does this above fit into Quick’s formula of Non-Alignment scum solving strategy? VP was also one of the people I surmised could potentially be scum and had votato as town (when I had him as town thinking he was the complimentary role to mine) and you had a mavs/votato scum pairing then.

Why did you quote VP there?

[hellbooks]

Mav can you show where, if at all, you showed a shift of opinion on me in the thread after you had targeted me?

i'm thinking dunnstral is very likely town.

I kind of believe Mavs claim. I don't like Votato.

I believe he's a fruit vendor of some kind and that's as far as I'll go but this does make me put mavs as more towny, for sure, for the way he claimed. But there are definitely some doubts on my end

Votato/mavs scumteam

Still plausible or out of the question?

I'm thinking right now that votato is very likely town as well

[hellbooks]

is there any reason to think puppy is town? He's lurking at a critical moment.

[Quick]

Let's give it a shot...

VOTE: VP

I would normally have to make a GOOD case for a player like this, but we will see how this fairs us...

[votato]

i could compromise on a quick or puppy wagon.

[Quick]

i could compromise on a quick or puppy wagon.

You know, Puppy has magically disappeared from the thread for the longest time...

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.5

votato

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, Dunnstral

VP Baltar

(1): Quick

midwaybear

(1): votato

Quick

(1): VP Baltar

Not Voting

(4): ready2rock, mavsfan41, hellbooks, midwaybear

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-03 01:07:00)

[midwaybear]

Can't lynch a puppy

[hellbooks]

But there are definitely some doubts on my end

I should say i'm leaning about 80% believing the claim in its entirety though
it's a pretty intricate lie if it is one. But i've seen fake claims that elaborate before.

[VP Baltar]

Let's give it a shot...

VOTE: VP

I would normally have to make a GOOD case for a player like this, but we will see how this fairs us...

Big surprise. Thought you were certain on Mavs and flipping him would be indicative of my alignment?

And I will address your other longer post when I'm not at work and on my phone.

But there are definitely some doubts on my end

I should say i'm leaning about 80% believing the claim in its entirety though
it's a pretty intricate lie if it is one. But i've seen fake claims that elaborate before.

Thoughts on Quick?

[Quick]

Am I wrong in assuming there should be some sort of protective role with a Strongman? Not sure why Blair wasn't protected unless all we have is a JK.

This is actually a good point. Did not think of that.

[/quote]

Here is the other soft you made.

[midwaybear]

how is that a soft?!

[Quick]

This is actually a good point. Did not think of that.

Here is the other soft you made.

EBWOP

[Quick]

how is that a soft?!

It doesn't need a comment at all. What else was the purpose of doing that? Willing to hear you out here...

[VP Baltar]

how is that a soft?!

Agreed.


Midway, thoughts on the quick case I made?

[midwaybear]

ye i'm liking quick too much either

[Quick]

Big surprise. Thought you were certain on Mavs and flipping him would be indicative of my alignment?

No, where did I say that because I don't remember saying that. I don't need to associate you two together to SR both of you. I have mav as Scum for their flip flopping (which normally comes from Town, but in this case I think mav just got nervous when Blair came out with a strong read on Gamma and mav went back and forth on votato [which actually pretty much clears votato on a Scum!mav, but I digress]) and I've said IDK how many times that I have one of you/votato as SvS.

[hellbooks]

Thoughts on Quick?

Glossing over him was a mistake. but I don't think he's unjustified in pressuring you, because I think both of you are in similar places in the POE process for me. I agree with you that quick has been tremendously anti town. I can totally see your case being in good faith. I dont think it makes him scum

[hellbooks]

something like

dunnstral, votato, midwaybear
mavs, ready2rock
quick, vp baltar
puppy

in terms of how much scrutiny I think they ought to be given

[Quick]

Thoughts on Quick?

Glossing over him was a mistake. but I don't think he's unjustified in pressuring you, because I think both of you are in similar places in the POE process for me. I agree with you that quick has been tremendously anti town. I can totally see your case being in good faith. I dont think it makes him scum

I don't see my play as Anti-Town as much as it is that I grate on people and they don't like me or my playstyle. I'll try and cool my jets, but I actually play this game to win.

[hellbooks]

I don't see my play as Anti-Town as much as it is that I grate on people and they don't like me or my playstyle. I'll try and cool my jets, but I actually play this game to win.

i think this post and others like it make quick seem a little townier, though. What do you think VP?

[midwaybear]

hellbooks is hedging/flip-flopping so much
I think she is scum

[hellbooks]

If you don't mind, the person I scumread the most just recently claimed, so I'm trying to reevaluate here.

[VP Baltar]

I don't see my play as Anti-Town as much as it is that I grate on people and they don't like me or my playstyle. I'll try and cool my jets, but I actually play this game to win.

i think this post and others like it make quick seem a little townier, though. What do you think VP?

I get it. I've faced the same criticism in the past, so if he is town, that's understandable. That being said, I don't think my case is so much about his tone or even his questioning of me (which I expect town to do and welcome questions). My case is more about the sum of his game benefiting scum, and the mavs case being the latest in that line. I'm looking at totality of play and trying to find people who 1) fit with gamma 2) don't have town's best interests in mind.

Quick might just be really anti town. I have not rules that out. I do think actual pressure there is warranted, and the case against him is better than a push to get rid of mavs

[VP Baltar]

ye i'm liking quick too much either

Sorry, not sure if there is a typo here or not. You are liking him or not too much?