Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Formerfish]

Toe pick

[lilith2013]

pushing each other for a large part of D1

I'm sorry I'm going to need like a whole wall of quotes to even believe that they were ever pushing each other?

Gladly, give me a few minutes to go quote

feathers/nausi

why does everyone insist on spelling my username this way

Blame elmo, this is how your name is spelled in the VCs and that’s what I’ve been going by.. didn’t even realize that wasn’t your actual username

TMIing

1: I normally have no problem with wall posts but the formatting of those notes had me going cross eyed so I gave up and skipped to conclusions

2: what is TMIng

1) the notes are more for me than anything else, the conclusion section sums up the main points
2) TMIing = a read that doesn’t seem to be substantiated by play, so it seems like it comes from the person having “too much information” on a slot (and therefore being scum, because they know the other person’s alignment).

[Nauci]

And I'm not even sure how you consider yourself to be pocketed. You keep shading me while agreeing with everything I say, are you trying to gaslight me?

@votato: This doesn't seem like SvS to me, I don't think scum!fish would call out scum!osuka for inconsistency in his read on fish. Like there's no reason for him to call attention to his scumpartner like that.

I really don't think there's a world where FF and osuka are scum together

and not just because I don't think there's a world where FF is scum

[Nauci]

@gibus, what was your aim in voting me? You have not questioned me about anything, you just parked your vote and it feels like a really lazy way to not have to scumhunt today because you haven't asked anyone anything, or engaged with the other people in your scumpool. You even said I haven't done anything scummy. So what exactly are you voting me for?

You said "for pressure." Okay, nausi already pressure voted me. I posted only once in the thread after that, so it should be obvious the "pressure" wasn't going to achieve anything. Like my inactivity was clearly not the result of people not paying attention to me in this thread, so why did/do you think that paying attention to me would change my lack of activity after nausi's pressure vote was already shown to not have an effect?

Solo vote = pressure?

[Formerfish]

Correct me if this is inaccurate, but it's seems like we are lines up about here.

Allies:
Fish
Lil
Osuka
Nauci

Axis:
Vota
Freddie
Gibus

Portugal:
Tux

This sound about right?

[votato]

Fish and osuka, you should honestly be ashamed of yourselves. This is a newbie lobby and you have ruined the experience for at least three people (myself, Freddie, and tuxedo, plus maybe the others who replaced out... didn't brass say you were awful too?)

Seriously, you're a piece of shit.

[osuka]

Fish and osuka, you should honestly be ashamed of yourselves. This is a newbie lobby and you have ruined the experience for at least three people (myself, Freddie, and tuxedo, plus maybe the others who replaced out... didn't brass say you were awful too?)

Seriously, you're a piece of shit.

you're the one who got tilted, buddy

let's not forget i had people coming for my neck long before fish was going for yours and i'm hanging out having a great time over here

[Formerfish]

Fish and osuka, you should honestly be ashamed of yourselves. This is a newbie lobby and you have ruined the experience for at least three people (myself, Freddie, and tuxedo, plus maybe the others who replaced out... didn't brass say you were awful too?)

Seriously, you're a piece of shit.

Uh, Freddie hasn't posted so how do you know how she feels?

Tux hasn't said that so it seems like you're putting words in his mouth too.

And this is rich from the person who called me a cunt and said he comes from my mom's house and that we are sense pieces of shit.

You made your bed and now are pissed daddy is making you lay in it.

[Nauci]

Yup, you’re right. I’ll do better next time! Good luck everyone!

I forgot to talk about this one, just more "cluelessness" from freddie that I don't buy. Once again, multiple people straight up told her that waves was dead, they told her why it was bad to claim after the lynch happened, and then she keeps acting like she will be lynched.

Theres no scum motivation either. It's a fuck up. I don't see why it's ai. I'm pretty sure she thought she'd be night killed for claiming town, because she figured everyone believed her, and now her secret was out.

The initial claim being a fuck up was plausible to me but the multiple posts afterwards talking as if she was definitely going to die were beyond puzzling to me

[osuka]

Correct me if this is inaccurate, but it's seems like we are lines up about here.

Allies:
Fish
Lil
Osuka
Nauci

Axis:
Vota
Freddie
Gibus

Portugal:
Tux

This sound about right?

yo dude ive been watching this series on amazon (the man in the high castle) where the axis won ww2, it's super sick and they nailed the atmosphere

i dunno what tf happened to portugal in that universe though

[Formerfish]

[lilith2013]

@Nau

c

i: here’s ironcat and fish pushing each other.

Spoiler: ironcat vs fish

Quicksolve: brass, lilith, formerfish

How many newbie games have you played? I suggest more.

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

This makes an odd amount of sense, but the thought that you would die over 3 SEs is puzzling. Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards.

Paranoia, poor logic, a scum list that's too long, no reasoning. You can scumread me for that if you want

I like you. You could still be scum and ill cry a single tear when you die, but i like you.

You should vote me for I am trash.

ftfy

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

This makes an odd amount of sense, but the thought that you would die over 3 SEs is puzzling. Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards.

I said "me or the others who suspect them" but you're changing it into a story about me being a celebrity here. Strange scum move.

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said,

if I get killed tonight

, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

Wasn't just talking about self but anyways.
It's easy to kill anyone who's town and I might be one of them. Mafia might either NK those who they might consider having a good lead or those who were accused by another town to set them up.
In this case, I used myself as an example for easy talking.

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

Also, you seem to be taking a lot of things personally - hence projecting them onto me.

Ironcat, please dont attempt to psychoanalyze me, my shrink does a fine job.

And the line about me being triggered, woo, thats a bit of gaslighting that i havent seen in awhile.

I suggest you ask around about me and see if anyone thinks that ive been triggered so far.

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

its so easy to use my words "process of elimination" against me. So I'll clarify in advance

Eliminating my suspicion. It's a form of deduction.

You seem worried, you worried?

VOTE: Ironcat

Just to clarify, thats a vote on you for being overly concerned with how you appear to people.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

I'll steal this page top and

challange Ironcat

to a duel. You can pick weaopons and we shall fight at noon on the 6th day of the first phase.

Do you accept, you must bold yes or no.

VOTE: Ironcat

Just to clarify, thats a vote on you for being overly concerned with how you appear to people.

You say that I have nothing else better to do in my life than to psychoanalyse you and according to you, the world revolves around me...
If you're not concerned about how you appear to others, you wouldn't need to feel that someone is psychoanalysis you.

I'm not sure what your problem is but it's quite clear you're taking this game too personally and projecting your true feelings onto others.

I'll steal this page top and

challange Ironcat

to a duel. You can pick weaopons and we shall fight at noon on the 6th day of the first phase.

Do you accept, you must bold yes or no.

I'm not interested in your self glorified victimisation.

VOTE: Formerfish

Possible scum buddies:

fish and lilith

See how fish projects a lot of insecurities onto me after my vote for Lilith? I'd be proud to be your scum buddy. Too bad I'm not.

I think that's just they're schtick. I doubt they're taking it personal at all.

Ironcat, please dont attempt to psychoanalyze me, my shrink does a fine job.

And the line about me being triggered, woo, thats a bit of gaslighting that i havent seen in awhile.

I suggest you ask around about me and see if anyone thinks that ive been triggered so far.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

Sounds like they were offended with the usage of the word "triggered" such that it was mentioned twice

edit:

You say that I have nothing else better to do in my life than to psychoanalyse you and according to you, the world revolves around me...
If you're not concerned about how you appear to others, you wouldn't need to feel that someone is psychoanalysing* you.

People were on to gibus then copykat.. interesting
It would be strange that copykat is scum just because they were replaced early. There's def a scum feel about kat but i don't heavily suspect them despite the reasons given.
Saying this will DEFINITELY make us look like buddies since votatoe is saying that I'm distancing myself from them.

It seems like votato and brass are taking the lead of how the votes go. They seem to trust each other so I'd keep my eye on them.
Also votatayto, I appear as a cat but I'm actually 1's and 0's, so you don't have to consider me a feline.

I did a noob move by finding power town players such as masons in a noob scum game and got killed by an SK. I don't understand why people let gibus off the hook so early. I wouldn't

I think I'll trust Brass and votato on this and also UNVOTE: Gibus.

That's the very thing you've pointed bass out for doing.

That being said, I'll stand by my vote and not join any current wagons. Fishy had been projecting a great deal of their insecurity on me.
Saying that I give a shit about what people think about me or that I behave like a celebrity yet behaves in that exact way by telling me to ask people about him as if i give a shit about him and this

You say that I have nothing else better to do in my life than to psychoanalyse you and according to you, the world revolves around me...
If you're not concerned about how you appear to others, you wouldn't need to feel that someone is psychoanalysing* you.

You can see how he hasn't responded after that. That being said, I give zero fucks about anyone opinion about me. Your projection was such a fail that it backfired.

That being said, I'm new with L-1 terms and hammering. I'll try to use them but since I'm not familiar, i expect it will make me look scummy if i don't use them appropriately(?)

The point is that you can’t assume two people arguing will always include one town. I’m not applying it to any particular case in this game.

I'm not assuming that. I'm just saying how this idea of bussing doesn't apply to this case.

What I’m saying is that formerfish hadn’t posted before 190, so I think him choosing to vote you isn’t related to you voting me. Like it’s not like he was being unaggressive before you voted me and then suddenly became aggressive; he just hadn’t posted at all before that.

Fish posted before this but nothing much in particular. On 190, I voted for you and responded in particular to this post.

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

It was part of an idea I had to draw out scum. I put myself up as bait and say "investigate this person if I get NK'd".
It's hilarious how he says:
"I don't like when people act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game."
Despite saying this about me:
"Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards."
^ Because you know, that's totally not acting like they know me and can read my "mental state" despite the fact that he indeed should follow his own advice of "That's insulting in so many ways. People should keep those types of terms out of their mouths"
But well, you know how it works. It's fine for him to act that way but not others :3

Anyhow, apart from strange activity from his end, the bait (about me potentially being NK'd) I used was a way to draw out scum. He took it.

well yeah bussing is unlikely, but there could easily be a staged fight

Personally, I'm not interested in drama regardless of alignment. Mafia is a drama game, but this shit isn't up my alley. I'm blunt and to the point.

Apart from my personal interested, mafia shouldn't be able to talk to each other until at night. So it's not like they can read each other minds and agree beforehand that they should stage a fight.
So again, those claims don't work in this context.

People I think are town:
freddie, votato, feathers, gibus

People I think are mafia:
fish, lilith

Since I'm not sure about the rest, they are more likely to be town. It's likely that I'm wrong so I will keep my suspicion for now.
Will be posting again after mostly WFH ;p

I'm not assuming that. I'm just saying how this idea of bussing doesn't apply to this case.

So, in your opinion bussing isnt an option here. Why not? How much experience do you have with vetting potential bussing votes? Are you an expert?

Fish posted before this but nothing much in particular. On 190, I voted for you and responded in particular to this post.

I had an opening post from when the game first started, and then a prodge saying id be here. Then in 194 i clearly indicated that I would be reading and then did so and posted. So I agree that you dont have much of a base of knowledge to work with in regards to what is normal and abnormal for me personally, and I dont recommend trying to fit me into any prefab categories.

It was part of an idea I had to draw out scum. I put myself up as bait and say "investigate this person if I get NK'd".

How exactly does your idea help draw out scum? All I see if you randomly saying you have a FOS on Lil and if you get nked to look at her. That's a bit obvious of a move dont you think? I mean scum could easily not kill you, because lets be honest if youre town youre more of a boon to us then you are to scum, and then your gambit was meaningless.

It's hilarious how he says:
"I don't like when people act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game."
Despite saying this about me:
"Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards."

There is a difference between saying someones mental state has been triggered by someone else, and me saying I don't know you therefore don't put much stock in anything you say.

^ Because you know, that's totally not acting like they know me and can read my "mental state" despite the fact that he indeed should follow his own advice of "That's insulting in so many ways. People should keep those types of terms out of their mouths"
But well, you know how it works. It's fine for him to act that way but not others :3

My comments have nothing to do with your mental or emotional state.

Youre setting up a false dichotomy between the two when they aren't even remotely the same type of comment.

Anyhow, apart from strange activity from his end, the bait (about me potentially being NK'd) I used was a way to draw out scum. He took it.

How does your offering yourself up as bait draw out scum? Have you run this gambit successfully before and you can show how my reaction is just like every other scum reaction that youve witnessed running this incredibly innovative and unique gambit? Like, you can't just say i did this to draw out scum and then viola scum reacted...

So again, those claims don't work in this context.

Does it change anything to know that this statement is very wrong? Knowing that scum have day talk should make you reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth.

I am really confused how you can be scumreading me primarily due to what you think is fish chainsaw defending me. Do you think that scum blatantly defend each other in this game?

That's not my only reason
159

I bolded it on my end.
That being said, it's quite clear that Freddie is scum since they're trying to buddy me with Lilith. Also saying I'm lurking which is false, my time zone is on the other side of the world. By the time I get online, there's not much for me to contribute to. If you want to say that's scummy, it's fine but there's more town than scum here.

Despite I think fred's town, I still think you're being buddied with other town members.
I also suspect bass but more onto you thanks to fish.

So, in your opinion bussing isnt an option here. Why not? How much experience do you have with vetting potential bussing votes? Are you an expert?

I didn't say "it isn't an option".

How exactly does your idea help draw out scum? All I see if you randomly saying you have a FOS on Lil and if you get nked to look at her. That's a bit obvious of a move dont you think? I mean scum could easily not kill you, because lets be honest if youre town youre more of a boon to us then you are to scum, and then your gambit was meaningless.

I could had mentioned another player here but the result would be the same. I've recalled seeing this work on previous games so I thought I give it a shot. If it doesn't, then whatever.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

I'm not a boon to town, only you. And you're going to go out of your way to lynch me regardless of my alignment which is not only a scum move but overall bad for this game.

There is a difference between saying someones mental state has been triggered by someone else, and me saying I don't know you therefore don't put much stock in anything you say.

The only person talking about mental states, therapy, etc is you

Youre setting up a false dichotomy between the two when they aren't even remotely the same type of comment.

Oh, so saying:
"Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards."
isn't "act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game."
You say it's false because you fallacies only work when you use it.

Does it change anything to know that this statement is very wrong? Knowing that scum have day talk should make you reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth.

Definitely NOT acting like you know me and can read my mental state in this sentence.
But of course, only you can tell others to "reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth."

Anyhow, I missed out this day chat thing from the mod. So that makes me scum and I'm making an insane far fetched lie? Like you know, if I DID had access to a chat like this and start saying that I don't it would be really insane imo. But of course you are free to claim that I'm insane - the privilege of reading one's mental state only works for you.

484
Sounds like something a celebrity would say.

#27 - Lilith "saved" fish from themselves in the RVS stage
#46 - Feathers seems to get quite an early feel from votato being town
#83 - feathers says they're VT and votato says why they think they're town #115
#92 - Freddie being paranoid about gibus's RVS - town vibe
#98 - votato generally being helpful - town vibe as explained by feathers in #111
#117 - feathers also being paranoid and talks about Lilith in the suspect list
#119 & 124 - Freddie talks about Lilith "protecting ironcat" and spelling out their suspect about lilith
#127 - Lilith talks about wanting to get out of RVS asap which is agreed by town as a mafia move
#140 - I say Fred is budding me up with Lilith which feels like something scum would do, I also wanted to figure out about coming out of rvs
#144 - gibus is convinced that either Lilith or Freddie is town
#148 - I set up bait of "if I get NK'd investigate Lilith" to test gibus theory
#153 - gibus claim quicksolve - Lilith, fish and bass, explains their solve in #178 and #213
#157 - a list of people I suspect in order of scummiest to least, also talked about not seeing much from fish in #158. List explained in #189
#190 - from gibus quicksolve, I deduced that Freddie might be town and voted for Lilith and updated the list in #192
#197 - fish talks about feathers defending + voted for votato
#198 - votato talks about possible masons in the game
#201 - feathers pretty much described me in a nutshell
#204 - fish seems to have taken the bait to my "investigate Lilith if I get nk"
#208 - fish talks about gibus suspecting active people despite I was considered "lurking" before that
#218 - I briefly explained my reasons behind my bait as well as #219
#221 - fish says I'm psychoanalysing him and psychoanalyse me for being "concerned with how I appear to people".
#224 - fish wants me lynched regardless of my alignment
#234 - gibus suspects copycat and votato are masons
#236 - copykat points out why they think votato is town
#224 - I suspect lilth and fish as scum
#257 - copykat suspects me and fish as scum lovers who broke up and points out in the next post that scum is interested to find for masons
#274 - copykat votes gibus for a reasonable reason of how scum could slip while guessing who masons are
#278 - feathers tries to prevent a bandwagon
#283 - bass feels that kat is mercenary and explains why in #291 & #318
#293 - feathers talks about how bass is doing what he accuses copy kat of (he seems to be jumping from a full scum team guess to a full move off the same guess too quickly for my liking.)
#295 - votato talks about voting copykat
#316 - votato pairs me up with copykat and says that copykat is willing to kill ANYONE in #324 and does not see any merit in copykat's vote on gibus scumslipping
#341 - i pointed out how the votes moved from gibus to copykat. Points out how votato and bass are taking the leads on votes. talked about how i scumslipped in an early game by pointing out who i suspect to be masons.
#345 - freddie's reads
#351 - lilith points out how votato isnt afraid to push off people's potential scumread on them and points out gibus rvs as "scary" in #353
#356 - feathers talks about the experienced people moving their vote away from gibus
#368 - my town reads excluding fish
#372 - lilith joins on the wagon for copykat with the cheap reason of the gibus slip
#387 - fish suggesting people to ask bass about him
#391 - gibus tier reads with colours! explained in #445
#394 - lilith "oh i see you're not being an asshole to me, that's good. you can be an asshole to anyone, not just me (confirmed in #448)" despite originally talking about fish bad playstyle in the game in #389.
#413 - copykat asks "why would scum!me pass on the opportunity to vote gibus for calling out masons?", + "when I try to interact with the people voting for me and provide explanations they are all but ignored." lilith answers in #416
#415 - I ask town what would they do if copykat is scum or not, no answers
#429 - kat ties me up with fish (sounds kinky when i say it doesn't it)
#437 - gibus points out why the bus from me to fish wouldn't work and thinks either one of us is town
#441 - lilith jumps on the opportunity on the putting me up for bussing fish
#445 - gibus talks about his suspicion on lilith and bass which i concur in #447
#446 - feathers talks about their suspicion of how defensive fish is and how "I'm doing something but I can't say" as seen in #397
#455 - i briefly break down my suspicion on fish and talked about my idea of drawing out scum in #460. also missed out that mafia is able to talk in the day. reads in #461
#468 - fish points my idea to draw out scum might not work and then talks about his superior playstyle in #473 and #484. joins lilith on the idea of me bussing
#477 - gibus reads on fishy
#487 - meta fish post and post counts in #488 . also his town reads in #491
#494 - i point out on how fish is trying to set me up for not knowing about mafia day chat
#497 onwards - lilith tries to say i'm onto her for no reason
#506 - fish meta post on votato and will only talk about something votato is doing "later"
#515 - votato finally gives her reasons for voting copykat (i think it was feathers who was calling votato her)
#516 - lilith ignores that i had been talking about fish as well (nice distancing) and jumps on the votato analysis of copykat
#521 - copykat "both votato and lillith say we are better of lynching town than scum day one"

Anyhow, this analysis got me sure of my scum reads. Lilith and Fish.

Lilith cheaply jumps on any "leads" she can find. Such as the copykat slip and how I'm "bussing" fishyfriend. It's clear that her playstyle is scum.

Fish has shown themselves as town but thanks Lilith, it's clear that their interaction shows he's in her chat as well.

That being said, copy kat is town and so are the rest apart from these two that I've mentioned.

#27 - Lilith "saved" fish from themselves in the RVS stage
#46 - Feathers seems to get quite an early feel from votato being town
#83 - feathers says they're VT and votato says why they think they're town #115
#92 - Freddie being paranoid about gibus's RVS - town vibe
#98 - votato generally being helpful - town vibe as explained by feathers in #111
#117 - feathers also being paranoid and talks about Lilith in the suspect list
#119 & 124 - Freddie talks about Lilith "protecting ironcat" and spelling out their suspect about lilith
#127 - Lilith talks about wanting to get out of RVS asap which is agreed by town as a mafia move
#140 - I say Fred is budding me up with Lilith which feels like something scum would do, I also wanted to figure out about coming out of rvs
#144 - gibus is convinced that either Lilith or Freddie is town
#148 - I set up bait of "if I get NK'd investigate Lilith" to test gibus theory
#153 - gibus claim quicksolve - Lilith, fish and bass, explains their solve in #178 and #213
#157 - a list of people I suspect in order of scummiest to least, also talked about not seeing much from fish in #158. List explained in #189
#190 - from gibus quicksolve, I deduced that Freddie might be town and voted for Lilith and updated the list in #192
#197 - fish talks about feathers defending + voted for votato
#198 - votato talks about possible masons in the game
#201 - feathers pretty much described me in a nutshell
#204 - fish seems to have taken the bait to my "investigate Lilith if I get nk"
#208 - fish talks about gibus suspecting active people despite I was considered "lurking" before that
#218 - I briefly explained my reasons behind my bait as well as #219
#221 - fish says I'm psychoanalysing him and psychoanalyse me for being "concerned with how I appear to people".
#224 - fish wants me lynched regardless of my alignment
#234 - gibus suspects copycat and votato are masons
#236 - copykat points out why they think votato is town
#224 - I suspect lilth and fish as scum
#257 - copykat suspects me and fish as scum lovers who broke up and points out in the next post that scum is interested to find for masons
#274 - copykat votes gibus for a reasonable reason of how scum could slip while guessing who masons are
#278 - feathers tries to prevent a bandwagon
#283 - bass feels that kat is mercenary and explains why in #291 & #318
#293 - feathers talks about how bass is doing what he accuses copy kat of (he seems to be jumping from a full scum team guess to a full move off the same guess too quickly for my liking.)
#295 - votato talks about voting copykat
#316 - votato pairs me up with copykat and says that copykat is willing to kill ANYONE in #324 and does not see any merit in copykat's vote on gibus scumslipping
#341 - i pointed out how the votes moved from gibus to copykat. Points out how votato and bass are taking the leads on votes. talked about how i scumslipped in an early game by pointing out who i suspect to be masons.
#345 - freddie's reads
#351 - lilith points out how votato isnt afraid to push off people's potential scumread on them and points out gibus rvs as "scary" in #353
#356 - feathers talks about the experienced people moving their vote away from gibus
#368 - my town reads excluding fish
#372 - lilith joins on the wagon for copykat with the cheap reason of the gibus slip
#387 - fish suggesting people to ask bass about him
#391 - gibus tier reads with colours! explained in #445
#394 - lilith "oh i see you're not being an asshole to me, that's good. you can be an asshole to anyone, not just me (confirmed in #448)" despite originally talking about fish bad playstyle in the game in #389.
#413 - copykat asks "why would scum!me pass on the opportunity to vote gibus for calling out masons?", + "when I try to interact with the people voting for me and provide explanations they are all but ignored." lilith answers in #416
#415 - I ask town what would they do if copykat is scum or not, no answers
#429 - kat ties me up with fish (sounds kinky when i say it doesn't it)
#437 - gibus points out why the bus from me to fish wouldn't work and thinks either one of us is town
#441 - lilith jumps on the opportunity on the putting me up for bussing fish
#445 - gibus talks about his suspicion on lilith and bass which i concur in #447
#446 - feathers talks about their suspicion of how defensive fish is and how "I'm doing something but I can't say" as seen in #397
#455 - i briefly break down my suspicion on fish and talked about my idea of drawing out scum in #460. also missed out that mafia is able to talk in the day. reads in #461
#468 - fish points my idea to draw out scum might not work and then talks about his superior playstyle in #473 and #484. joins lilith on the idea of me bussing
#477 - gibus reads on fishy
#487 - meta fish post and post counts in #488 . also his town reads in #491
#494 - i point out on how fish is trying to set me up for not knowing about mafia day chat
#497 onwards - lilith tries to say i'm onto her for no reason
#506 - fish meta post on votato and will only talk about something votato is doing "later"
#515 - votato finally gives her reasons for voting copykat (i think it was feathers who was calling votato her)
#516 - lilith ignores that i had been talking about fish as well (nice distancing) and jumps on the votato analysis of copykat
#521 - copykat "both votato and lillith say we are better of lynching town than scum day one"

Most of this wall of text is just a synopsis of that posts. There is very little analysis of what any of it means. You've wasted your own time for writing it, and ours for having to read it.

You're a trash player and it's time to start a trash fire

So I know this is useless, but I'll just wrap things up before I call it a day.

I'll narrow down why I consider Lilith and Fish are mafia and how I came to this conclusion.
This game is so heavy town that I drew it

twice

. With that, I come to the assumption I'm talking to town most of the time, but how do I filter out who's town and who's not?
So I did something counterintuitive and started out with a "process of elimination". I listed my suspicions from most to least (157) and eliminate my suspicion of them heavily due to their playstyle rather than what they say. I didn't check if they were behaving aggressive or not, but rather

consistent

.

It was easy to boil down from my highest suspect to the least: Lilith, bass, fish, feathers, kat and gibus.

Fomerfish
After I point out of him not posting much apart from "hi I'm here post". He posted more until I talked about the bait.
From that moment, he had been behaving defensive and accusing people of what he's doing.
One of the scummiest consistent behaviour I've observed is his determination to lynch someone (in this case, me) regardless of their alignment. The very same thing that copykat was accused of. This happened from the very beginning as observed in my meta post. 526

Lilith
Lilith had been jumping on "leads" and adding to them in order to lynch someone.
It started with copykat and her jumping on with her own reasoning as to why he is scummy.
Then she took the lead with someone talking about how I could potentially bus someone.
Noticed how in these cases, she didn't came up with the point but

jumps

on them. This is the mercenary feeling that bass was talking about, but he didn't see it in lilith.
Her scummy behaviour is not to help town, it is to

lynch

town.

Since I'm only able to narrow down the people I suspect as scum to two, I believe the rest are town.

[Formerfish]

Fish and osuka, you should honestly be ashamed of yourselves. This is a newbie lobby and you have ruined the experience for at least three people (myself, Freddie, and tuxedo, plus maybe the others who replaced out... didn't brass say you were awful too?)

Seriously, you're a piece of shit.

This is over the line Vota. Please stop.

[lilith2013]

if freddie flips town, however remote that possibility, votato should be powerlynched the following day

Is there a typo in this or are you saying that only scum Vota would be able to have that sure of a read on town Freddie?

Ohhhhh

I guess that makes some sense but I'm not sure why scumtato would want to stick his neck that far out even if this was the case?

Does this mean you think votato is town?

[lilith2013]

@nauci ^

[Nauci]

Is this more of your super secret rl relationship that you know telepathically what they are thinking?

Haha that's honestly not very far off

hoping this doesn't mean what I think it does

[Nauci]

and after successfully bussing and lynching Fred on D2, shift the focus on another townie for a mislynch to win the game.

may want to check your math

[osuka]

Is this more of your super secret rl relationship that you know telepathically what they are thinking?

Haha that's honestly not very far off

hoping this doesn't mean what I think it does

out of game communication? is that what youre getting at?

[Nauci]

I also find it weird that in the early stages of the game, FF says Copy's predecessor was statistically more probable to be scum, but still eliminates him in his PoE.

I'm sorry that I'm asking this because I'm lazy and confused but I don't remember this sequence of events much? Could you point me to where those events happened?

[Nauci]

i want to lynch osuka. There is only one thing that would make me change my mind

W($&%(@HHF@#$&

[Nauci]

Excuse me, do what now?!

Aren't there like a dozen posts from you town reading votato?

Yes, that's my point. That was in response to Fish saying we should lynch Votato to see if he's telling the truth about Freddie.

So what I was saying to Fish is "If you want me to lynch Votato, make a case that they're scum. Not a case for how it would make Freddi easier to read."

Upon rereading your original post I apologize I completely misinterpreted that

this makes sense

[Nauci]

again i actually dont like this

if vota flips scum then freddie can be town. It's the fact that if freddie flips red, votato is like 100000% gonna be scum as well

You are ignoring my experience where what you say cant happen has happened.

Freddie can be town here being propped up by Scum!Vota who is white knighting the shit out of Freddie. Freddie hasnt done anything that is going to shed light on Votas alignment.

You can disagree, but at least acknowledge that its more than what youre making it to be.

Okay but can you (and others) comment on my theory that Freddie and Tux cannot possibly be scum together and thus flipping freddie gives me info on that slot (as well as yours and osukas at this point)

[Nauci]

So, either Freddie is lying about thier role, or they really are vt and scum!vota knows that they are town and are white knighting so that if Freddie dies Vota reaps towncred.

doesn't being connected IRL throw a big ol' leg-sized wrench in that theory though

[Nauci]

Freddie can be town here being propped up by Scum!Vota who is white knighting the shit out of Freddie. Freddie hasnt done anything that is going to shed light on Votas alignment.

I don't think this is true. I don't think scum Votato would double down so hard on Town!Freddie. I think this behavior would make more sense if they were scum together. But I don't think he would actively tarnish a fairly good standing in the eyes of most players to stop a mislynch.

^^^^^

I gotta reconsider my read of Tuxedo real hard today

[Formerfish]

So, either Freddie is lying about thier role, or they really are vt and scum!vota knows that they are town and are white knighting so that if Freddie dies Vota reaps towncred.

doesn't being connected IRL throw a big ol' leg-sized wrench in that theory though

No, because we arent supposed to talk about the game outside of the thread, at all.