Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[Quick]

Have you cross-checked this read with general activity levels in the game, particular activity patterns (if other players are active at the same time as a given player, that given player is more likely to show higher activity levels), out-of-game reasons for low activity, how much they were pressured for activity in each game, and other anomalies that make activity an unreliable source of reads?

I don't think making reads based on activity is good practice. I think it's better to pressure low-activity players in order to get interactions out of them that are actually AI.

Just based on 2000.

[LuckyLuciano]

So you have literally no reason to believe that your tell is AI? That's like saying I'm scum because I'm a stud. I'm always a stud, regardless of alignment. Just because you may have seen me be a stud as mafia doesn't mean that I am not also a stud as town.

For what it's worth, I have played with town!QQ before and he was replaced for inactivity.

[LuckyLuciano]

I am pretty sure you used hot air balloons in Fire. Are you recycling your flavor?

[Quick]

So you have literally no reason to believe that your tell is AI? That's like saying I'm scum because I'm a stud. I'm always a stud, regardless of alignment. Just because you may have seen me be a stud as mafia doesn't mean that I am not also a stud as town.

For what it's worth, I have played with town!QQ before and he was replaced for inactivity.

Sure. And ironic that is the same sort of reasoning that QQ is using to justify their SR on GB.

[Quick]

Plus, QQ gets bored easy because he is SUPER intelligent.

[LuckyLuciano]

What's with the people in this game and overwhelmingly rolling scum. @Teacher, do you know how hard it is to find your town meta?

[LuckyLuciano]

Quick, ima level with you. You have managed to replace a slot I hard TR'd and turned it into a hard SR in the past, as town. Could you tunnel a little less this game?

[Quick]

I haven't tunneled since like... IDK 3 days ago. I've resolved to interested apathy at this point since no one is taking what I am saying seriously.

Actually I was going to post that I just hit JOAT on this account and my main has over 10,000 but I thought I would respond to the P-Edit first, since that is actually game related.

[LuckyLuciano]

@Poyzin, where have you played mafia before Mafiascum?

[Quick]

[LuckyLuciano]

I hope no one is scum and this is an all-town game.

I have witnessed this happen before. The town won when they figured it out and lynched the mod.

[LuckyLuciano]

I agree that Quick's..... Quick (sorry)

You are not sorry, don't lie, George.

[LuckyLuciano]

Spoiler:

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

This feels like a bus.

Why?

[LuckyLuciano]

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Why not?

[LuckyLuciano]

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

How is the previously quoted post a bus if he's also town? Can you explain the disconnect here?

[LuckyLuciano]

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

Wanted to see how you would react to being called town for tryharding.

I see. So what did you make of his reaction?

[Quick]

I'll let you catch up...

[Quick]

[LuckyLuciano]

Are you and 72 going to lynch me because I caught you?

Would you by any chance be interested in a Poyzin/72 Scum team by any chance?

I haven't tunneled since like... IDK 3 days ago. I've resolved to interested apathy at this point since no one is taking what I am saying seriously.

Actually I was going to post that I just hit JOAT on this account and my main has over 10,000 but I thought I would respond to the P-Edit first, since that is actually game related.

Bro...

[LuckyLuciano]

You tunnel harder than Paul Bunyan. You may not realize it, but you do.

[Quick]

You tunnel harder than Paul Bunyan. You may not realize it, but you do.

Doesn't really matter unless I am wrong. I haven't been demonstrated to be wrong yet. Just saying.

[LuckyLuciano]

For people who are unaware, spoiler tags exist. You often don't need to next 5 quotes together in order to respond to the most recent line of thought within them, but if you feel that you do, please spoiler the quotes.

[LuckyLuciano]

You tunnel harder than Paul Bunyan. You may not realize it, but you do.

Doesn't really matter unless I am wrong. I haven't been demonstrated to be wrong yet. Just saying.

Like I said, you managed to turn my strongest TR into my strongest SR by replacing into the slot and using this logic, as town. Lucky for me, I know that it is against the nature of your being to look beyond your initial scum pings, so I know that this in-itself is not a reason to scumread you this game.

[Quick]

P-Edit:

You're welcome:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11822500

Feel free to comment on how wrong I am.

[LuckyLuciano]

Town points to Pozin for being active.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

Feudian slip? Not enough to go on just this, honestly.

Yo you can't be playing mind games this early seriously

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

Then teacher agrees with both

@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

notajumble offsuit and marashu aren't present yet settle down

Who is this post directed to?

It’s a good post, but who is “you” that is playing mind games here?

Let the tryharding commence! The thing is, it's fairly obvious QQ is talking to the game as a whole...

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Moar tryharding...

Oh well I’ll be darned.

Get real, no one talks like this...

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Was this the first Buddy attempt of QQ or the second? I forget...

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives.

That’s not a natural progression at all.

You do a lot of talking and not a lot of reading it seems. I said that at the point I read it. Then I read the rest of what you were doing... so maybe there is progression there that you don't know about. But sure, assume I don't have progression and null read me anyways - that's cool too.

That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

Why do you "like" it? Is it something that helps you read them, or is this a buddy attempt?

Okay whatever Teacher can get back to me about #44 but I want to finish my takeaway of GB.

I'm hoping you're not scum again since you aren't asking those questions. I think I've only ever seen scum use them.

To me, this looks like GeorgeBailey is haphazardly throwing shade at Teacher without needing to commit to a scumread. They through out the possibility of Teacher being scum for a reason that’s NAI for the purpose of sowing doubt in the town. They say that they were trying to “prompt a reaction” out of teacher, and they elaborate here:

I wasnt expecting a static response. If he took it too seriously I would think that'd be scummy since I've seen scum act super defensive before over dumb tongue in cheek jokes.

However, based on the context of the first post, the second post does not make sense as GB’s response. The first post is obviously not a joke but a statement saying that they hope that Teacher was town. Therefore, by calling attention to the fact that Teacher is behaving similarly with their opening questions is only stated to manifest suspicion of Teacher and turn the focus onto him without having to do the legwork and find things that are scummy about Teacher. In the end, it would have been impossible to do so, as at the time Teacher should have very much been null due to the game just starting, so calling attention to something as “maybe scummy”, especially when they stated that it’s too early to tell whether Teacher’s line of questioning was an issue or not. It seems to me as if GB wanted to plant the idea that Teacher could be scum early on without having to pursue it any further and let Teacher react to it, when any reaction that Teacher could give would have been WIFOM at best and completely unhelpful at worst. Because of this, it seems to me that GB’s initial intent was to take a hands-off approach to the game, letting this run their course after provoking others with potential scumtells that aren’t really scumtells. This play style is usually done with malicious intent.

As a lesser but still impactful point, I also disagree with the town points awarded to Quick. For one, giving town points is in no way townie in and of itself, and there were already problems with Quick’s hasty rationale. However, GB giving town points to Quick after a total of 1 game-related post by Quick is already enough to raise alarm bells. I feel comfortable moving my vote out of RVS and towards someone who has a good chance of flipping scum.

UNVOTE: teacher

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like the aggressive push here, but not really seeing what you are seeing.

In all my games, I've rarely seen "casting shade" actually used by scum. In particular not as early as in post #17.

so is that a "Null" read then? I'll take that as a yes.

Scum is much more easily able to read other players as town, as they KNOW who is actually town.

The point of this post is to show that this person cares more about being liked then giving good information because it's a little too obvious than I feel makes me feel good about this post.

Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Explain.
You can't throw out a statement like this without clarifying.

Why "CAN'T" someone do that? It looks like this is a fake distance attempt because still no read on this person AFAIK. Just looks like a fake conversation *shrug*

(i was town)

Justifying yourself for later.

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

What do you mean they didnt mention it?
They mentioned it 2 posts later

Again, either intentionally or not (I really do think it was intentional) you are MISSING context with what you are saying here, which is that he DIDN'T talk about the word

tryharding

at all. I can only see one reason for this and that is that this is a chainsaw.

Poyzin is tryharding so they are probably Town..

You said I was bussing literally two posts ago how does you just change your mind on your motives. That’s not a natural progression at all.

What do you mean they didnt mention it?
They mentioned it 2 posts later

Huh? Did I stutter?

At this point you know what you done...

This feels like a bus.

Could you expand on why you think this is a bus?

Too much effort too early to be a real read. More or less.

This is lame. Town can put in effort early as well. You’re at two strikes.

(This is an empty threat)

Are you and 72 going to lynch me because I caught you?

This feels super defensive. I'm voting for QQ right now and am questioning you because I got an early bad ping, and I'm not liking what I'm seeing from you since. Every comment just feels really sarcastic or antagonistic and not really conducive to game-solving.

VOTE: Quick

Let's make the chainsaw public now...

I don;t normally like playing as scum.

But you do this game, amirite?

Why no response to this? You can joke with GB because you have history with him but you can't with me? Okay... Nice tryharding Scum...

I also wouldn’t answer such an obviously loaded question from you, but we can hear what 72 has to say.

You two both SUCK at missing details which is REALLY convenient. I said you didn't mention the word

tryharding

yet you are still pushing me? Please, this game is done already...

Because I clearly said the word

Joke

which is missing from context to justify the push on me here.

1. I already explained why i said I liked Marashu's post, in my post 118

2. If I find a post is alignment indicative and I choose to share that at the point in time, then I will state as much.
If im undecided then at least my post is there for myself and other to return to later on

3. I'm saying you can't just say someone is NEVER SCUM, i.e peg someone as being 100% town, from one's perspective, without explaining why to the rest of the player roster.

4. Deja vu from last game.
How likely do you think that scum is to chainsaw a scum-buddy with one vote on them in the first 10 pages or so?

Let's make a point guys.