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[votato]

also this quick system sounds a lot like the system I'm using this game: pretend to be a scummy townie so people ignore your scummy posts, wait for lylo, and then fake cry to get sympathy so the dumb townies lynch someone else. Muahaha

[mavsfan41]

you’re super anti-town

Sorry you lost me on Puppy.

Nah, it’s fine. I understand, you don’t want to bus your scum buddy at this point.

[votato]

whatever if my lynch helps clear mavs, so be it
but mavs is pretty useless at this point, so it shouldn't really matter

Is that a VT claim then?

you tell us, Mr i can always tell when people are vt

No, because he can still be Scum here.

hang on so you can tell if people are vt, but only if you know for a fact that they're town?

[Quick]

whatever if my lynch helps clear mavs, so be it
but mavs is pretty useless at this point, so it shouldn't really matter

Is that a VT claim then?

you tell us, Mr i can always tell when people are vt

No, because he can still be Scum here.

hang on so you can tell if people are vt, but only if you know for a fact that they're town?

VT is how I get that Town status, so you have it backwards.

[Quick]

you’re super anti-town

Sorry you lost me on Puppy.

Nah, it’s fine. I understand, you don’t want to bus your scum buddy at this point.

Sure, or you can be Scum. That works too.

[mavsfan41]

you’re super anti-town

Sorry you lost me on Puppy.

Nah, it’s fine. I understand, you don’t want to bus your scum buddy at this point.

Sure, or you can be Scum. That works too.

Knowing you, if somehow I get my Puppy lynch and he flips scum, come day 4 you’ll be all “oh, Puppy’s red flip doesn’t clear either votato OR mavs. puppy was in the long bus’ing of his partner votato. And mavs was bus’ing puppy.”

[Quick]

you’re super anti-town

Sorry you lost me on Puppy.

Nah, it’s fine. I understand, you don’t want to bus your scum buddy at this point.

Sure, or you can be Scum. That works too.

Knowing you, if somehow I get my Puppy lynch and he flips scum, come day 4 you’ll be all “oh, Puppy’s red flip doesn’t clear either votato OR mavs. puppy was in the long bus’ing of his partner votato. And mavs was bus’ing puppy.”

And you know this... how?

[CantHateAPuppy]

well, i guess it doesn't really help me or anyone else if you can't elaborate on why your reads are what they are.

at the same time, it actually seems pretty powerful to hunt for scum v. scum interactions, it makes a lot of intuitive sense.

Might give me something to do while I wait for VP to respond to my case or mavs to explain how he forgot I was part of the game right after debating me. (This strikes other players as suspicious right?)

You are free to play HOWEVER YOU want. I have my way of playing and it hasn't failed me yet. It's nice that you have the convenience of shading my method of playing without actually considering what I am saying though.

bro I'm not shading your play, i think it makes a lot of sense! but you've admitted yourself that you won't share your methods, which means if I want to look for scum v scum interactions myself i can't rely on anything you've provided

well, i guess it doesn't really help me or anyone else if you can't elaborate on why your reads are what they are.

at the same time, it actually seems pretty powerful to hunt for scum v. scum interactions, it makes a lot of intuitive sense.

Might give me something to do while I wait for VP to respond to my case or mavs to explain how he forgot I was part of the game right after debating me. (This strikes other players as suspicious right?)

To reiterate, looking through your ISO there is an absurd amount of fence sitting. Day 2 strikes me in particular where you look to avoid a Blair/Gamma lynch altogether. Lynching one gives information on the flip. By suggesting not lynching either, you were accepting Blair’s claim but refusing to vote Gamma. And the lack of a flip there wouldn’t give town any good information. Even Quick voted Blair and picked a side.

Even the half in/half out on my claim is weird. Suggesting I’m not lying about my role but still can be scum?

you are way overstating the importance of a "haha what if" shitpost suggestion.

on bold: what is weird about this? the question of whether you are fakeclaiming is not the same as the question of whether you are scum.

Alright, I want everyone to take a look at Puppy and tell me what you think.

He pushes votato off a meta read, which is fine I suppose.

Wrong!

I pushed votato because

he

had a meta read, which was completely contradictory when he tried elaborating it. he wanted to scumread Atarashi for two different reasons, one of which was Atarashi looked like his scum game, the other that votato had never actually seen Atarash's scum game.

But that would be suggesting that votato is using a small sample size meta game to force a mislynch of Atarashi (who in that has scummier intentions?)

Yep! this does not strike you as scummy votato?

[mavsfan41]

You had the R2R/VP scum pairing as a possibility. And as recently as 1460 you’re still thinking R2R might be scum even though Gamma tried TWICE to push for his lynch.

That would mean that if Puppy flips scum, votato would be cleared as Puppy tried on day 1 and day 3. That’s two of the only 3 votes he’s made. And I think he’s made better cases than day 1 on votato that he hasn’t really pursued or voted. He’s stuck to votato (aka if Puppy is scum, he’s trying to deliberately get votato mislynched).

[CantHateAPuppy]

Making this a separate post so people notice it.

Mavs accused me of being so forgettable that he forgot i was in the game.

He did this

while I was in the middle of a long conversation with him.

I pointed out the above ^ and then he comes in with a different set of reasons to scumread me, completely ignoring the above ^

[CantHateAPuppy]

That would mean that if Puppy flips scum, votato would be cleared as Puppy tried on day 1 and day 3. That’s two of the only 3 votes he’s made. And I think he’s made better cases than day 1 on votato that he hasn’t really pursued or voted. He’s stuck to votato (

aka if Puppy is scum, he’s trying to deliberately get votato mislynched

).

"Puppy doesn't push players, he throws a lot of shade, that's scummy!"

"Puppy is pushing to get this one specific player lynched, that's scummy!"

there's just something really weird about bolded i can't put my finger on. It's like you've already decided I'm scum, w/e, but then that itself becomes more evidence in your scumcase against me.

[Quick]

you’re super anti-town

Sorry you lost me on Puppy.

Nah, it’s fine. I understand, you don’t want to bus your scum buddy at this point.

Sure, or you can be Scum. That works too.

Knowing you, if somehow I get my Puppy lynch and he flips scum, come day 4 you’ll be all “oh, Puppy’s red flip doesn’t clear either votato OR mavs. puppy was in the long bus’ing of his partner votato. And mavs was bus’ing puppy.”

You're ISO on Puppy checks out so I would clear you on a Puppy Scum flip.

[CantHateAPuppy]

mavs is just throwing shade in advance to try to get you to commit to mislynching me. it's actually really scummy because he accuses me of throwing shade at the same time he's throwing it

[mavsfan41]

@Puppy: 1391 was your last post before 1638. That’s when I forgot you were in the game. You having a conversation with me being like, oh, that’s right, this dude Puppy is here. Between the 1391 and 1638, looking for scum through active players was brutal cause I really couldn’t find two I liked. I didn’t feel confident in any two reads, hence my pursuit was shit. And that would make sense if there was only one scum actively posting. You seem to still think votato (possibly me as his scummy buddy) is a thing right?

Also, where did the votato push go during day 2? Why revisit it day 3? Why not include votato in your “let’s not lynch Blair or Gamma” post?

[mavsfan41]

That would mean that if Puppy flips scum, votato would be cleared as Puppy tried on day 1 and day 3. That’s two of the only 3 votes he’s made. And I think he’s made better cases than day 1 on votato that he hasn’t really pursued or voted. He’s stuck to votato (

aka if Puppy is scum, he’s trying to deliberately get votato mislynched

).

"Puppy doesn't push players, he throws a lot of shade, that's scummy!"

"Puppy is pushing to get this one specific player lynched, that's scummy!"

there's just something really weird about bolded i can't put my finger on. It's like you've already decided I'm scum, w/e, but then that itself becomes more evidence in your scumcase against me.

There’s a difference between pushing players and a R2R vote “let’s see where this goes” or “I like my d1 case for votato that I didn’t visit AT ALL during day 2”

[Quick]

mavs is just throwing shade in advance to try to get you to commit to mislynching me. it's actually really scummy because he accuses me of throwing shade at the same time he's throwing it

Mav has his solve down to you, hellbooks, and I. And I'm not Scum and I see nothing that prevents you from being Scum with hellbooks.

Plus, my paranoia of deep wolf VP is starting to fade. And mav's content is actually pretty good. AND I kept telling people to evaluate people based on their play and not claims, but you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that I have said this. You have about one more shot to convince me you are not Scum or I am switching my vote to sheeping mav.

[CantHateAPuppy]

@Puppy: 1391 was your last post before 1638. That’s when I forgot you were in the game. You having a conversation with me being like, oh, that’s right, this dude Puppy is here. Between the 1391 and 1638, looking for scum through active players was brutal cause I really couldn’t find two I liked. I didn’t feel confident in any two reads, hence my pursuit was shit. And that would make sense if there was only one scum actively posting. You seem to still think votato (possibly me as his scummy buddy) is a thing right?

Also, where did the votato push go during day 2? Why revisit it day 3? Why not include votato in your “let’s not lynch Blair or Gamma” post?

No offense mavs but you can't connect any dots

I was pretty afk day 2 and the first part of day 3. that's why i skipped a few hundred posts and didn't push votato day 2. that's why when i caught up day 2 i was behind on blair/gamma. it's not like this hidden secret pattern, it's all connected to the fact that i afk'd a couple times. It almost feels weird for me to have to explain this again.

Why not include votato in your “let’s not lynch Blair or Gamma” post?

because it was not a serious suggestion (blair herself correctly didn't take it to be one) and not every post i make has to be about how i want to lynch votato

pedit: i'll explain this again: i still have r2r as a minor scumread. D1 i wanted to push that wagon and probe that read a little more. before i got tthe chance to dunn had already hammered.

[Quick]

@Puppy: 1391 was your last post before 1638. That’s when I forgot you were in the game. You having a conversation with me being like, oh, that’s right, this dude Puppy is here. Between the 1391 and 1638, looking for scum through active players was brutal cause I really couldn’t find two I liked. I didn’t feel confident in any two reads, hence my pursuit was shit. And that would make sense if there was only one scum actively posting. You seem to still think votato (possibly me as his scummy buddy) is a thing right?

Also, where did the votato push go during day 2? Why revisit it day 3? Why not include votato in your “let’s not lynch Blair or Gamma” post?

No offense mavs but you can't connect any dots

I was pretty afk day 2 and the first part of day 3. that's why i skipped a few hundred posts and didn't push votato day 2. that's why when i caught up day 2 i was behind on blair/gamma. it's not like this hidden secret pattern, it's all connected to the fact that i afk'd a couple times. It almost feels weird for me to have to explain this again.

Why not include votato in your “let’s not lynch Blair or Gamma” post?

because it was not a serious suggestion (blair herself correctly didn't take it to be one) and not every post i make has to be about how i want to lynch votato

pedit: i'll explain this again: i still have r2r as a minor scumread. D1 i wanted to push that wagon and probe that read a little more. before i got tthe chance to dunn had already hammered.

apologies for lurking

Okay???

[Quick]

VOTE: Puppy

[CantHateAPuppy]

Plus, my paranoia of deep wolf VP is starting to fade. And mav's content is actually pretty good. AND I kept telling people to evaluate

people based on their play and not claims

, but you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that I have said this. You have about one more shot to convince me you are not Scum or I am switching my vote to sheeping mav.

quick what are you talking about

my whole post on mavs was about his claim was not clearing and it's his behavior and play that needed to be examined

we are actually saying the same thing. What exactly do you think I'm "ignoring"?

pedit: omgus

[Quick]

pedit: omgus

I'm sure you would love to think so, but mav is a better player than me so I think I will just sheep him here.

[CantHateAPuppy]

you accused me of ignoring you (?) while we actually have the same opinion, and are now voting me on a sheep on a bad case because you think mavs is a good player?

i am right to be mad. Right to be mad!

[mavsfan41]

@Puppy: oh, you were afk. Seems legit. Oh wait, didn’t you push me on why it took me an hour to claim after the L-1 vote? (Checks thread, finds 1645). It appears you did. So that’s a scum read for you, me waiting an hour, but you being afk for much longer is me digging too much in an attempt to get you mislynched as scum? Oh, gotcha. My bad...

Can we lynch Puppy?

[Quick]

All VP's Non-Associatives are with the Scummiest players in the game. That's a HUGE plus for him.

[Quick]

Can we lynch Puppy?

votato, I think this means you switch over to Puppy now.