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[unwnd]

VOTE: Pink Ball

Let's just play as normal.

VOTE: Pink Ball

Why Pink Ball?

RVS

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Like, everyone had to clap to confirm their role, right?

Why are so many people acting like they have no clue what the

main mechanic

of the setup is?

Do you scumread it

[unwnd]

If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be

shading everyone

and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

Lol please never let this guy live anymore than two phases

[unwnd]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

[midwaybear]

The way this game gets played they are going to die. Someone is going to town read an active player regardless of how scummy they are over a very low poster.

Lurking is bad in general, but I don't think this special mechanic makes it worse? I disagree with you second sentence too. Quality over quantity.

[unwnd]

God my cat submitted for me mid-thought

Anyways, I enjoy reading the room. I look at the game and think about the direction it's going in and who is exactly determining said direction. I find a dichotomy between town controlling the thread and scum controlling it is something that proves beneficial over time. You have games where enthusiastic scum may take a quick jump to gain influence and as I see it now I don't think that's happening. I again sit at beeboy being fine and he can continue to be fine until something changes. I mention this however because when there is a established presence then all scum really have to do is nod their head and make agreeable posts. This is where ND bothered me first and foremost. TSE largely remains weird, but I think if he's scum he's going to exaggerate more of his absurdity than less of it so it's not really a good look either way. I think Starbuck/Farside have similar posting traits but what comes out of them is vastly different. Farside seems more antagonistic/forth-right while Starbuck remains passive and slightly on the defensive.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be

shading everyone

and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

Lol please never let this guy live anymore than two phases

Have you not read your posts?
We should never let

YOU

live anymore then two phases.

[unwnd]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

Isn't anyone who posts in this thread trying to solve or generate thoughts or figure shit out

It's just a matter of determining who is pretending to do that as scum lol

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

Isn't anyone who posts in this thread trying to solve or generate thoughts or figure shit out

It's just a matter of determining who is

pretending

to do that as scum lol

“Pretending”
And what exactly do you consider that to look like compared to someone who isn’t “pretending”.

[unwnd]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're weird and talk too much, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're

weird and talk too much

, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

Yes because talking too much is scum indicative.
Spoiler Alert!

Spoiler:

It’s not

Look IDC if you don’t like me. It’s irrelevant towards the game.
And OFC I’m going to engage with you, I’m trying to figure out your slot.
Your still Scum IMO.
Also, everyone has their own playstyles. I’m sick and tired of people treating it as something else.
Playstyles aren’t ever Alignment Indicative. Playstyles are the way people’s personalities are.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
It’s the way they go about it, the motivation behind what they do, how they approach it that determines someone’s alignment.
Not Playstyle.

[unwnd]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

Isn't anyone who posts in this thread trying to solve or generate thoughts or figure shit out

It's just a matter of determining who is

pretending

to do that as scum lol

“Pretending”
And what exactly do you consider that to look like compared to someone who isn’t “pretending”.

I'm not sure, I think the definition varies between each person. Me personally? Scum don't have the same liabilities as town. They don't have the pressure of being wrong, therefore the only thing they have to do is

A) Not get lynched
B) Get others lynched that aren't themselves
C) Bus or Co-opt with their partners to make convincing lynches that make false narratives

I don't think C) happens this early, I'm not even thinking about it. When it comes to A) and B) I like looking at individual personalities first and foremost and determining if it's..natural. I'm not fully confident myself on what natural means but early on I think just going with your gut is more beneficial than reading into what would be about ~250 posts of content because scum probably haven't tried to set up for anything by then. This is why I think it's important to call out behavior as you see it because scum are less prepared early on and get blindsided from time to time

[unwnd]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're

weird and talk too much

, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

Yes because talking too much is scum indicative.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
/quote]

I strongly disagree with you, but we'd just be going into semantics if I talked further on it. The point that should be made here is: what are you getting out of all this? Did you just come at me with some half-hearted read expecting me to buckle or something?

[beeboy]

[Pink Ball]

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

[farside22]

Meh, I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion in the past. My town read comes off scummy most of the time. I'm used to it.

Okay I'll bite for a moment.
I expected from the sign up for this game you would be more excited to play and be a bit more bubbly in your posting. Instead you came into it like someone pissed in your cherrios and hated everything this game represented.
That was exactly how I read your start. No hey, no good humor. And since then you where defensive, OMGUS and to top it off your reads are basically not saying much.
Lets review.

So far, I'm not really liking SirCakez continual whiteknighting of beeboy to me when there's no real reason to do so. It's feeling like a way to be active without necessarily commenting on much else.

TSE's overreaction and subsequent posts have just been weird.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling on farside as she's understandably curious/suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's quite genuine or not.

Dunnstral isn't giving me warning bells, so I'm leaning town there. I've also appreciated Raya's contributions and feeling town there, as well.

I'm neutral/town-ish on beeboy because I can see where the difference of gameplay might have come from and willing to trust others who seem to have read him as town.

I need ABR, unwnd, spring, midway, Pink Ball, and NDmath to post more.

Cakez - mmmm ok I kind of glossed over the back and forth but I recall he called you out for throwing shade on Beeboy, which is how I read the post too by the way, and therefore wking him? (I'm going to come back to this in a larger format soon)
TSE - that is vague
farside - fence sitting
beeboy - trending carefully on that read
and the rest (all on gilligans island!)
So in short all that and you have 1 scum read and few town reads. Not to mention the excuses I read are killing me inside.
The "it's been so long since I played a game of mafia" and "trying to get my foot into the game", the "struggling to get a read in the game".
That is literally scum claiming 102 in my world.

I think Raya believes what they are saying. Farside you have solid points about the reads themselves and they aren't particularly reads I would back up but I also think Raya stand by what she is saying. I also don't particularly see inconsistencies with how she is approaching the game which is more what I tend to look for when I try and identify people with bad reads.

I could be wrong here but I do think she is town.

'

Most players town or scum can believe what they are saying. After catching up I'm thinking Raya was trying to pocket unwnd because that town read and reasoning looks like shit.
And that was the most pleasant way I would say that.

God my cat submitted for me mid-thought

Anyways, I enjoy reading the room. I look at the game and think about the direction it's going in and who is exactly determining said direction. I find a dichotomy between town controlling the thread and scum controlling it is something that proves beneficial over time. You have games where enthusiastic scum may take a quick jump to gain influence and as I see it now I don't think that's happening. I again sit at beeboy being fine and he can continue to be fine until something changes. I mention this however because when there is a established presence then all scum really have to do is nod their head and make agreeable posts. This is where ND bothered me first and foremost. TSE largely remains weird, but I think if he's scum he's going to exaggerate more of his absurdity than less of it so it's not really a good look either way. I think Starbuck/Farside have similar posting traits but what comes out of them is vastly different. Farside seems more antagonistic/forth-right while Starbuck remains passive and slightly on the defensive.

I used to be a lot worse and more bitchy. This is pretty tame for me and there were a few times I didn't say anything because it would have just been me telling someone off more then playing the game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're

weird and talk too much

, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

Yes because talking too much is scum indicative.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
/quote]

I strongly disagree with you, but we'd just be going into semantics if I talked further on it. The point that should be made here is: what are you getting out of all this? Did you just come at me with some half-hearted read expecting me to buckle or something?

Strong disagree with me?
And you wonder why you lose games as Town because you end up mislynching players.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your mislynching them because you can’t comprehend the difference between Playstyle and Scum Tell.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Middle Ground

This is a person in the Null zone that isn’t really getting recognized as an important player.
Like not town nor Scum.
Not entirely Null but rather someone they are like “there there but they aren’t a concern”
As usually those players are scum.
Sometimes these players are Lean Town with no attention towards them whatsoever, so my suggestion is get these people the attention they should have.

Playstyle

Playstyles are never alignment indicative.
Never consider it as such.
Some Playstyles are naturally bad and as a result people tend to scum read that when they honestly shouldn’t.

Strong Playstyles

Just because someone has a Strong Playstyle you should never just instantly Town read them. If they are Town scum however are usually likely to do that. But keep in mind Players with strong Playstyles are able to play Townie as either alignment. So he careful.

Misguided Town

Pretty much it’s where Town is pushing town.
And you got to realize the difference between it.
This applies to a town pushing you as well.
You got to figure out where there alignment is from and you got to understand that you aren’t always right

Shade

Most of the time scum will shade a post.
Usually call a post bad or “I don’t like this” or some form of saying the post is bad.
That in itself isn’t always scummy but if they have no or have a lack of explanation towards their shade then it’s usually a scum tell.

Safe Vote

Scum will usually join a wagon that makes it so they don’t get any blame to them when the wagon is a mislynch.
Usually wagons like these are ones where there are Bad Playstyle Players, Players that made a mistake and Town are stupidly not seeing it, etc. get mislynched.
It’s a free getaway.
Alternatively it’s allowing them to join a free mislynch and it’s easy to spot if you look closely.

Interactions

When people interact with each other it can be used to determine others alignments as 2 or more players are going back and fourth allowing yourself to get a better read on those players to help determine their alignments

Pure or Forced?

Look at a post and look and see if it seemed honest and/or logical or if it felt forced like it shouldn’t have been said/didn’t feel right.

Pocket

Scum will sometimes pocket people if they believe doing so can allow others to be mislynched and they just have to keep you alive. So watch out for a potential pocket and an easy way to figure it out is to do a Scum/Town Tell Check and see if their actually town reading you as Town or scum just trying to use you.

Scum Telling.

To tell who’s scum it’s best to look at each player’s Motivation, Actions, Usage of context, Tone, How they do approach things and how they respond, etc.
There are many different types of Tells but these are stuff you look at.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Here’s a guide to actually win games as Town ^

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

In no way have I rolled scum.
Why exactly do you think that?

[unwnd]

I think you just convince yourself everything you say has to be true because you want others to consider you an authority over them

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think you just convince yourself everything you say has to be true because you want others to consider you an authority over them

Lol this is Shade 101.

No, In no way do I want others to consider me an “authority”
I just want to put scum in their place. The Dead Chat.

I don’t convince myself everything I say

Has

or be true.
Because I know I’m not always right and I can be wrong.
It takes a real player however to realize if it’s misguided Town pushing you or if your being the misguided Town as well as other factors
I say these things not because “I’m saying it for the sake of saying it” but rather I've experienced multiple beyond multiple of FM Games and I know how scum think.
Unlike some people my reads have been proven to be reliable.

Heck, since you seem to think I’m so “full of myself”
Check this game out where I nailed the entire scum team.
Town won because of me.
Click This for the Game.

In case your unaware, I’m Seththeking.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nice I made a spelling error.
It takes a real person to realize if a misguided Town is pushing you/you pushing them which makes you misguided Town.