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[votato]

i mean quick always has black box thinking. and i have absolutely zero faith in his system/scumhunting. but i still think there are better lynch candidates. namely, puppy and midway. and probably hellbooks?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy

attacking

mav solely on the claim is really bad

sometimes I think mafia posts can only be attack or defense, and any post that tries to be somewhere in the middle just looks scummy to most players. (though i'm sure if i had proclaimed mavs' claim good you would have called me scummy too)

when you are done mislynching me and i flip green please reflect on how wrong you were. thanks!

[Quick]

so I guess you could say, I am asking for VP's vote for Puppy right now. Ironic that VP's first vote of the game was on Puppy.

[CantHateAPuppy]

while i'm here anyways...

@Puppy - if the mavs lynch doesn't happen today, what do you think is the best compromise? Can you sum up the votato case for me?

votato started with a very flimsy read on Atarashi/hellbooks, which he claimed was based on reading other games, but his read was inconsistent. (His read was in two parts, one was based on Atarashi's scum game, the other was based on the fact that he'd never actually seen Atarashi's scum game.) he was just trying to look like he put work in

a lot of his other reads show the same trait, i think this case keeps getting better and better! (look at his midway vote in 1066, it's totally empty.)

i also don't like the way he sided with gamma against blair. i almost think he sided too strongly with gamma, but looking again I still don't like it. see 1110 where he complains about blair posting too much without content. For comparison, 1677 he talks about how high his postcount is, and tries to quiz quick about voting for midway. (Wasn't that one of votato's scumtells?)

I also think if Votato makes a lot of sense with Gamma, he makes a lot of sense with Mav. This is kind of arbitrary, not sure i want to put too much into building a team right now. but read each iso looking for mentions of the other and it looks like distancing

I mean, I can't argue that votato has had some very weird plays this game. That stuck out to me early on when I pushed for his lynch Day 1. I think I said this earlier, but votato feels reckless in a town way. He's taking chances and putting unpopular votes out there at times when it feels like he could coast more. He's also had some good posts along side some of the bad ones.

i don't agree with this response, because it seems like it doesn't actually respond to anything i wrote. you could have said the same thing about votato no matter what was in my case. what are these 'unpopular votes' and 'good posts'?

By suggesting not lynching either, you were accepting Blair’s claim but refusing to vote Gamma. And the lack of a flip there wouldn’t give town any good information.

Yes, I agree with this. That suggestion still sticks with me as weird. It was very clear to almost everyone that we need to clear up the investigation.

why does being a weird guy make me scummy?

[CantHateAPuppy]

also this quick system sounds a lot like the system I'm using this game: pretend to be a scummy townie so people ignore your scummy posts, wait for lylo, and then fake cry to get sympathy so the dumb townies lynch someone else. Muahaha

votato makes weird post: i sleep

puppy makes a weird post: real shit

[Quick]

i mean quick always has black box thinking. and i have absolutely zero faith in his system/scumhunting. but i still think there are better lynch candidates. namely, puppy and midway. and probably hellbooks?

What about what I just posted is "black box thinking" And what does that even mean? I'm not even thinking you are Scummy for this, but please explain why when I make a very logical post that this is the time that you bring up that my thinking is weird, thanks.

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 3.9

CantLynchAPuppy

(3): mavsfan41, votato, Quick

hellbooks

(2): midwaybear, VP Baltar

votato

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(3): ready2rock, CantLynchAPuppy, hellbooks

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-03 01:07:00)

[CantHateAPuppy]

Vote Count 1.7

ready2rock

(4):

NoPowerOverMe

, VP Baltar, mavsfan41,

Gammagooey

votato

(3):

CantLynchAPuppy

, iDanyboy,

Nauci

VP Baltar

(2): votato, ready2rock

NoPowerOverMe

(2): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick

Quick

(1):

Blair

Not Voting

(1): Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.

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Vote Count 1.8

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (5): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,

Blair

, votato

votato

(4):

CantLynchAPuppy,

iDanyboy,

Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

ready2rock

(2): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

Not Voting

(2): ready2rock, Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.

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Vote Count 1.9

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (6): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,

Blair

, votato, ready2rock

ready2rock

(3): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

,

CantLynchAPuppy

votato

(3): iDanyboy,

Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

Not Voting

(1):

Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Seeking a replacement for Peter Pan.
  
• Atarashi Hajimari and iDanyboy each have (expired on 2020-05-18 18:52:00) to pick up their prods.[/area]

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Vote Count 1.10 (Final)

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (7): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,

Blair

, votato, ready2rock, Dunnstral

ready2rock

(5): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

,

CantLynchAPuppy, Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

votato

(1): iDanyboy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area][/color]

here are some things to note about the wagon movements day 1:

* the r2r wagon was all town after gamma jumped on.

* VP and Gamma don't make sense as scum, why would they both vote r2r like that? it would make sense if they wanted to save NPOM but they didn't. Conclusion: VP town

* r2r doesn't make sense as scumm, especially with how hard gamma stuck to that slot.

* the NPOM wagon is basically unexplored territory. there are a lot of unflipped slots on that wagon.

* the votato wagon had a strong town component and basically dissolves. that could be scum or town, but it's suggestive that nobody was itching to pick up that wagon.

[CantHateAPuppy]

working from the above, if i assume that r2r is town for his wagon movement and mavs is town for his claim:

Vote Count 1.7

ready2rock

[/b] (4):

NoPowerOverMe

, VP Baltar,

mavsfan41

,

Gammagooey

votato

(3):

CantLynchAPuppy

, iDanyboy,

Nauci

VP Baltar

(2): votato,

ready2rock

NoPowerOverMe

(2): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick

Quick

(1):

Blair

Not Voting

(1): Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.

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Vote Count 1.8

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (5): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick,

mavsfan41

,

Blair

, votato

votato

(4):

CantLynchAPuppy,

iDanyboy,

Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

ready2rock

(2): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

Not Voting

(2):

ready2rock

, Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.

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Vote Count 1.9

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (6): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick,

mavsfan41

,

Blair

, votato,

ready2rock

ready2rock

(3): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

,

CantLynchAPuppy

votato

(3): iDanyboy,

Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

Not Voting

(1):

Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Seeking a replacement for Peter Pan.
  
• Atarashi Hajimari and iDanyboy each have (expired on 2020-05-18 18:52:00) to pick up their prods.[/area]

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Vote Count 1.10 (Final)

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (7): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick,

mavsfan41

,

Blair

, votato,

ready2rock

, Dunnstral

ready2rock

(5): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

,

CantLynchAPuppy, Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

votato

(1): iDanyboy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area][/color]

looking at this convinces me that town r2r makes more sense. D1 did not feel like scum struggling to run up NPOM on a wagon to avoid their scumbuddy on the other wagon from getting lynched. (again i don't think Gamma would not have sat coolly on the r2r wagon.)

under this model i think the slots that most need resolving are votato and dunn. (When did dunn last post btw?) the moment when votato jumps on the NPOM wagon strikes me as a "good" moment for scum to jump on. i think mav's wagon jump-on is ok, i might call that a convenient moment too, but since the mavs vote made the wagon viable i think that's actually a point in favor of town. (so I think assuming mavs town doesn't produce any weird results)

atarashi/hellbooks gets a pass for being inactive at that time, quick gets a pass because he was on the wagon the whole time so he can't be said to have made a scummy "switch".

[CantHateAPuppy]

959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, still

yeah wtf. you can resolve that later. but today we lynch gamma. VOTE: gamma. thats L-1

ok well thats actually a hammer

just to be clear, it's highly unlikely votato didn't see VP's vote before him on gamma because of how MS notifies you when posts have been made between start post and end post

it's possible that he clicked through it or didn't realize, but i don't think votato has ever actually clarified how this happened. it's a little convenient if you ask me that he hammered scum on "accident" when he'd spent all day defending that scum

[CantHateAPuppy]

OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

That's L-1.

and just a few pages ago i called you town...

votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?

[Quick]

959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, still

yeah wtf. you can resolve that later. but today we lynch gamma. VOTE: gamma. thats L-1

ok well thats actually a hammer

just to be clear, it's highly unlikely votato didn't see VP's vote before him on gamma because of how MS notifies you when posts have been made between start post and end post

it's possible that he clicked through it or didn't realize, but i don't think votato has ever actually clarified how this happened. it's a little convenient if you ask me that he hammered scum on "accident" when he'd spent all day defending that scum

Then why aren't you voting votato rn?

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Yeah, I'm thinking he's scum

how was dunn allowed to get away with this?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Personally I think you should hold off of any hammers until the replacement is here.

Hi Dunnstral, hope you are adept in IdentifyingBadWagons TM.

No please, lynch me to prove there are scum on my wagon.

even if he says "please lynch me", NPOM has to have known that he was a PR and probably assumed he wouldn't get lynched when he claimed (798 is really suggestive here, dude did not believe he would get lynched)

[CantHateAPuppy]

Then why aren't you voting votato rn?

i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.

as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.

[Quick]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Yeah, I'm thinking he's scum

how was dunn allowed to get away with this?

There have been many opportunities to bring this up and talk about it. I have talked about it earlier trying to facilitate discussion on this earlier. If you wanted to push this, you had your chance much earlier in the game.

[Quick]

Then why aren't you voting votato rn?

i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.

as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.

You don't have to unvote to stop tunneling... Come on now.

[votato]

OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

That's L-1.

and just a few pages ago i called you town...

votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?

what makes you think that it was the L-1 that was the scummy part of that post?

[CantHateAPuppy]

There have been many opportunities to bring this up and talk about it. I have talked about it earlier trying to facilitate discussion on this earlier. If you wanted to push this, you had your chance much earlier in the game.

did the official conversation window expire? if you want to talk about this, why would you be annoyed that i now also want to talk about this?

Then why aren't you voting votato rn?

i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.

as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.

You don't have to unvote to stop tunneling... Come on now.

yeah, so what? do you really want to argue with me about why i unvoted while im rereading the game? out of everything i've had to say in the last three pages, this is really what strikes you? this is what you want to talk about?

[CantHateAPuppy]

OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

That's L-1.

and just a few pages ago i called you town...

votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?

what makes you think that it was the L-1 that was the scummy part of that post?

i'm not sure, you kind of left it ambiguous. if i'm wrong please correct me!

[votato]

also i think its funny that puppy colors himself the same as the flipped townies. i will say that if puppy is town that does make me more likely to be scum, but it feels like he's trying to manipulate people with pretty colors while not saying that's what he's doing. and if instead of assuming that puppy is town, if we just color his name in red, his "case" on me looks way worse.

[votato]

OK, how this has developed has made me feel even better on my scum reads, that being VP and NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

That's L-1.

and just a few pages ago i called you town...

votato: what was scummy about r2r putting NPOM at L-1 when you did that yourself a few pages later?

what makes you think that it was the L-1 that was the scummy part of that post?

i'm not sure, you kind of left it ambiguous. if i'm wrong please correct me!

youre wrong

[Quick]

There have been many opportunities to bring this up and talk about it. I have talked about it earlier trying to facilitate discussion on this earlier. If you wanted to push this, you had your chance much earlier in the game.

did the official conversation window expire? if you want to talk about this, why would you be annoyed that i now also want to talk about this?

Then why aren't you voting votato rn?

i was, and then as i was rereading the game i decided to back off to avoid tunneling.

as i reread my votato suspicions keep looking better and better. but let me finish first.

You don't have to unvote to stop tunneling... Come on now.

yeah, so what? do you really want to argue with me about why i unvoted while im rereading the game? out of everything i've had to say in the last three pages, this is really what strikes you? this is what you want to talk about?

You're only putting in this work at this point in the game because people are calling for your lynch. Right?

[votato]

959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, still

yeah wtf. you can resolve that later. but today we lynch gamma. VOTE: gamma. thats L-1

ok well thats actually a hammer

just to be clear, it's highly unlikely votato didn't see VP's vote before him on gamma because of how MS notifies you when posts have been made between start post and end post

it's possible that he clicked through it or didn't realize, but i don't think votato has ever actually clarified how this happened. it's a little convenient if you ask me that he hammered scum on "accident" when he'd spent all day defending that scum

its unlikely, yet thats what happened. there are three scenarios i think are possible, but i have no idea which is true, since i didnt see a preview pane.
1) the post wasnt there when i started reading the page, but was there when i started replying, and i dont think this would cause a preview pane to appear, since the post is there while im crafting my post in the reply editor down below. possible, but i think i may have used quick reply, and probably would have hit preview post to make sure i didnt fuck up the formatting of my vote tags
2) the post showed up in preview and i missed it. possible, but unlikely.
3) we hit submit at virtually the same time, so while his post hit the server first, my post hit before the thread had updated to give a preview notice. im not sure if this is possible.

best case this is a stupid wifom argument you have going.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Vote Count 2.1

ready2rock

(2):

Gammagooey

, mavsfan41

CantLynchAPuppy

(1): votato

Gammagooey

(1):

Blair

votato

(1): Quick

Not Voting

(6): ready2rock,

CantLynchAPuppy

, VP Baltar, midwaybear, Atarashi Hajimari, Dunnstral

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)

Notes:

• Atarashi Hajimari has (expired on 2020-05-21 13:06:00) to pick up their prod from yesterday.

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Vote Count 2.2

Gammagooey

(3):

Blair

, Dunnstral, ready2rock

ready2rock

(2):

Gammagooey

, mavsfan41

midwaybear

(2): votato, Quick

Not Voting

(4):

CantLynchAPuppy

, Atarashi Hajimari, VP Baltar, midwaybear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)

Notes:

• Atarashi Hajimari has (expired on 2020-05-21 13:06:00) to pick up their prod from yesterday.

[/area]
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Vote Count 2.3

ready2rock

(3):

Gammagooey

, mavsfan41, Quick

Gammagooey

(3):

Blair

, Dunnstral, ready2rock

Blair

(2): VP Baltar, votato

Not Voting

(3):

CantLynchAPuppy

, hellbooks, midwaybear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-30 13:06:00)[/area]
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Vote Count 2.4 (Final)

Gammagooey

(6):

Blair

, Dunnstral, ready2rock, midwaybear, VP Baltar, votato

ready2rock

(2): mavsfan41, Quick

Blair

(1):

Gammagooey

Not Voting

(2):

CantLynchAPuppy

, hellbooks

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.[/area]
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day 2 isn't as interesting, especially because of the claim shorting the normal wagon development.

the main features are VP and votato voting up blair on 2.3, and dunn and r2r sheeping blair before blair claimed. (more evidence that r2r is town imo)