Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[QuantumQuasar]

Don't give in to appearances too easily the tip of the iceberg is always white and without reproach for a good reason: prying eyes

[LuckyLuciano]

Spoiler:

Okay, so your solve is Marashu/GB + Poyzin/Quick.

What were you saying before was the team? Why wait till there is intent on GB to give your solve? Why not let the lynch go through on GB given you see Scum equity there? How do you feel on a GB/Quick Team? How did it suddenly switch to Marashu/Quick in such a short time period?

You're not actually answering my questions. You're talking about things completely unrelated to the nature of the question I asked you. That's Scummy.

I still think Poyzin has Scum equity, but you suddenly coming around to the fact that there is Scum in Poyzin/Quick feels super manipulative.

I literally said that my solve was {George, Marashu, 72} in my catch-up post. I said, also, that the sheer amount of players reading Poyzin v Quick as TvT was concerning. I have since thought more on that and have concluded that it makes more sense for Poyzen v Quick to vs TvS given the overwhelming support of the narrative that it is TvT. This is not an unnatural progression. I had mentioned earlier today that Marashu's unvote of you at L-1 was sketchy. Your eagerness to get rid of George when you did nothing to pressure him for activity

before

he hit L-1 was the final trigger causing me to transition from my earlier reads to my current ones.

You're changing your story left and right here. Popular majority is NOT a real reason to think it's wrong. Scum can give that much and still be in good standing. Now it's you poking your fingers in that thinking it might be SvT.

I'm not changing my story. From the very moment I posted my catchup in 574 I made my reservation clear that I was not fully convinced of the Poyzin v Quick interaction being TvT, although I was leaning that way.

Marashu's unvote is only Scummy if I am Scum, and I'm not. Didn't you say earlier that you don't like to talk about associations so early in the game? So what gives? You are changing your story again here.

I have given reasons why Marashu's unvote was not a good look independent of your alignment in 800. Again, not changing my story. Developing my reads over time isn't the same as being logically inconsistent.

As far as me wanting to get rid of a useless player, that's NAI and you know it.

It's really not. You did nothing to pressure George into contributing more prior to him being at L-1. The moment he hit L-1 you appeared and declared intent. There are over 4 days left in the day phase and you are saying that his catchup isn't important because it is coming too late. You are trying to make him useless by lynching him before he can catch up. Also, policy lynches benefit scum.

[GeorgeBailey]

The thing is...

I have GB as dead null. Why do I lynch a Null read here?

Someone sell me on GB...

Just seems like an excuse to shade GB and get them lynched without actually taking the slot as a whole. What do you think of 622?

GB seems to be giving "too little to late" content. He might be Town here, but given how everyone else in the game is playing,

Consider this Intent to hammer

.

What changed in a day Quick?

[LuckyLuciano]

^

[QuantumQuasar]

GeorgeBailey you were a moderator of a game and you referenced that game twice here disparagingly

The post activity shows how theoritically you speak on how scum does what and you delay on purpose, you just let chatter run in the background given that you also blocked by compartmentalizing concerns by bottling them up to not be bothered by them shows a level of disconnect that could make you a suspect because not so nifty purse carriers with blank lives are an excellent cover for a legal front

What if you are scum Lucky Luciano, have you ever considered that?

LL/GB are you appealing to emotion and empathy now factually the gameplay of GeorgeBailey is not acceptable in this game I'm going to request for a second opinion

Why aren't you prodded or bussed and why do you get a soft look and a leeway is that from perks you get for being elsewhere when your attention is not where it's meant to be at the grass roots level

Are you part of executive management to be so disconnected from the reality at the operational level GB?

[LuckyLuciano]

@Datisi, can you prod teacher?

Based on

Prodging - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."

enough time should have passed to do so.

[LuckyLuciano]

What if you are scum Lucky Luciano, have you ever considered that?

You keep asking this. I know that I am not scum because I have read my role pm. What kind of backwoods question are you trying to ask?

[QuantumQuasar]

He's shitpushing me for the most asinine reasons.

Why are you trying to get me lynched so early?

what is a mod and what is a kill

[Datisi]

Right, my bad. Prodding teacher.

[LuckyLuciano]

<3 you Datisi.

[Quick]

Spoiler:

Okay, so your solve is Marashu/GB + Poyzin/Quick.

What were you saying before was the team? Why wait till there is intent on GB to give your solve? Why not let the lynch go through on GB given you see Scum equity there? How do you feel on a GB/Quick Team? How did it suddenly switch to Marashu/Quick in such a short time period?

You're not actually answering my questions. You're talking about things completely unrelated to the nature of the question I asked you. That's Scummy.

I still think Poyzin has Scum equity, but you suddenly coming around to the fact that there is Scum in Poyzin/Quick feels super manipulative.

I literally said that my solve was {George, Marashu, 72} in my catch-up post. I said, also, that the sheer amount of players reading Poyzin v Quick as TvT was concerning. I have since thought more on that and have concluded that it makes more sense for Poyzen v Quick to vs TvS given the overwhelming support of the narrative that it is TvT. This is not an unnatural progression. I had mentioned earlier today that Marashu's unvote of you at L-1 was sketchy. Your eagerness to get rid of George when you did nothing to pressure him for activity

before

he hit L-1 was the final trigger causing me to transition from my earlier reads to my current ones.

You're changing your story left and right here. Popular majority is NOT a real reason to think it's wrong. Scum can give that much and still be in good standing. Now it's you poking your fingers in that thinking it might be SvT.

I'm not changing my story. From the very moment I posted my catchup in 574 I made my reservation clear that I was not fully convinced of the Poyzin v Quick interaction being TvT, although I was leaning that way.

But you just said that it was because of popular consensus. That wasn't mentioned earlier. And you made ZERO mention of saying Poyzin and I was SvT in what you said about Poyzin and I. So that's just a lie unless you said it somewhere else in that post and I really don't want to read that wall rn. So unless you can prove otherwise, I will keep my vote on GB since it seems you don't want that lynch to go through so bad.

Marashu's unvote is only Scummy if I am Scum, and I'm not. Didn't you say earlier that you don't like to talk about associations so early in the game? So what gives? You are changing your story again here.

I have given reasons why Marashu's unvote was not a good look independent of your alignment in 800. Again, not changing my story. Developing my reads over time isn't the same as being logically inconsistent.

Yeah, except you didn't actually give REASONS. You just said it was a bad look. So why are you trying to say you gave reasons there when you didn't and basically just shaded them?

As far as me wanting to get rid of a useless player, that's NAI and you know it.

It's really not. You did nothing to pressure George into contributing more prior to him being at L-1. The moment he hit L-1 you appeared and declared intent. There are over 4 days left in the day phase and you are saying that his catchup isn't important because it is coming too late. You are trying to make him useless by lynching him before he can catch up. Also, policy lynches benefit scum.

Except I am NEVER that sloppy as Scum. Go ahead and look at how I treat my Scum buddies. I am never going to just LOL jump on their wagon for next to no reason. Fact check me on that or don't use it as a point against me.

[QuantumQuasar]

What if you are scum Lucky Luciano, have you ever considered that?

You keep asking this. I know that I am not scum because I have read my role pm. What kind of backwoods question are you trying to ask?

Redirection to words. Takes one to know one. I didn't like the runaround because if you consider the dynamics just as 24 hours ago you didn't know Quick was at L-1 then you're putting a blank face because this is awfully prepared how you just decided to give another think at all this and delay even further

Compared to the L-1 on Quick and the L-1 and Jumble, I wasn't present at both, the unvotes were town aligned but your unvote was as good as teacher not voting while giving everyone another run around

This isn't a vote from wrath it's from substance and for a lack of substance then it's a front to be disregarded only to be regarded (agree to disagree) as if there wasn't enough contention already so you keep your subtlety on Marashu because he was present just earlier

I'll have to reread those posts for context. Although, I think it's worthwhile that you bring up Jumble having been at L-1. It happened before I replaced in and fell apart around the time I did. I need to go back and look at that wagon again. I think my predecessor was on him, it'll probably be revealing if my SoP unvote was the first unvote at L-1.

and you pull up some pattern of Marashu behaving this way as scum from a previous game (yet again)

[LuckyLuciano]

Yeah, except you didn't actually give REASONS. You just said it was a bad look. So why are you trying to say you gave reasons there when you didn't and basically just shaded them?

You also never asked for reasons until it became relevant to you discrediting my thought progression. Prodging by unvoting an L-1 wagon is suspect to me. Not only does Marashu avoid contributing for another 36 hours by doing so, but there is scum motive both in distancing from a town!Quick mislynch, and in preventing a scum!Quick lynch. The town!Marashu motive would have to come from a reason to believe you are town that outweighs their prior reason to believe you are scum. Where did that occur?

[LuckyLuciano]

Except I am NEVER that sloppy as Scum. Go ahead and look at how I treat my Scum buddies. I am never going to just LOL jump on their wagon for next to no reason. Fact check me on that or don't use it as a point against me.

Nobody cares about your constant self-metaing.

[LuckyLuciano]

But you just said that it was because of popular consensus. That wasn't mentioned earlier. And you made ZERO mention of saying Poyzin and I was SvT in what you said about Poyzin and I. So that's just a lie unless you said it somewhere else in that post and I really don't want to read that wall rn. So unless you can prove otherwise, I will keep my vote on GB since it seems you don't want that lynch to go through so bad.

If I'm concerned that Quick v Poyzin may not be TvT, why do I have to also explicitly mention that SvT is a possibility? It's implied in me not 100% committing to the TvT read that I believe the interaction could possibly be 1 or either of SvT and SvS.

Also, if you believe that I am redirecting today's lynch away from GB based on an ulterior motive, then that motive always says more about me being scum than GB, and you should be moving your vote to me.

[QuantumQuasar]

What if you are scum Lucky Luciano, have you ever considered that?

You keep asking this. I know that I am not scum because I have read my role pm. What kind of backwoods question are you trying to ask?

Redirection to words. Takes one to know one. I didn't like the runaround because if you consider the dynamics just as 24 hours ago you didn't know Quick was at L-1 then you're putting a blank face because this is awfully prepared how you just decided to give another think at all this and delay even further

Compared to the L-1 on Quick and the L-1 and Jumble, I wasn't present at both, the unvotes were town aligned but your unvote was as good as teacher not voting while giving everyone another run around

This isn't a vote from wrath it's from substance and for a lack of substance then it's a front to be disregarded only to be regarded (agree to disagree) as if there wasn't enough contention already so you keep your subtlety on Marashu because he was present just earlier

I'll have to reread those posts for context. Although, I think it's worthwhile that you bring up Jumble having been at L-1. It happened before I replaced in and fell apart around the time I did. I need to go back and look at that wagon again. I think my predecessor was on him, it'll probably be revealing if my SoP unvote was the first unvote at L-1.

and you pull up some pattern of Marashu behaving this way as scum from a previous game (yet again)

Marashu, I don't like saying that activity is AI, partly because I understand how real life can get in the way of mafia, and partly because I don't have town meta from you to judge what your town activity looks like. However, you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening?

Case in point, LuckyLuciano

How do you know this?

"you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening"

you don't ask or give homework it's just how it is, imagine taking orders and instructions from some dude on a forum

[QuantumQuasar]

But you just said that it was because of popular consensus. That wasn't mentioned earlier. And you made ZERO mention of saying Poyzin and I was SvT in what you said about Poyzin and I. So that's just a lie unless you said it somewhere else in that post and I really don't want to read that wall rn. So unless you can prove otherwise, I will keep my vote on GB since it seems you don't want that lynch to go through so bad.

If I'm concerned that Quick v Poyzin may not be TvT, why do I have to also explicitly mention that SvT is a possibility? It's implied in me not 100% committing to the TvT read that I believe the interaction could possibly be 1 or either of SvT and SvS.

Also, if you believe that I am redirecting today's lynch away from GB based on an ulterior motive, then that motive always says more about me being scum than GB, and you should be moving your vote to me.

btw before you get all touchy feely with GB towards Quick keep some distance with the sensitivity

[Quick]

Yeah, except you didn't actually give REASONS. You just said it was a bad look. So why are you trying to say you gave reasons there when you didn't and basically just shaded them?

You also never asked for reasons until it became relevant to you discrediting my thought progression.

Quit trying to change the subject.

Prodging by unvoting an L-1 wagon is suspect to me.

I see zero reason why that would be suspect.

Not only does Marashu avoid contributing for another 36 hours by doing so, but there is scum motive both in distancing from a town!Quick mislynch, and in preventing a scum!Quick lynch.

You are doing pre-flip here for VERY poor reasons since that just seems like playstyle to me. If I am Town, how would that change your view on Marashu?

The town!Marashu motive would have to come from a reason to believe you are town that outweighs their prior reason to believe you are scum. Where did that occur?

Pot/kettle

You say they are Scummy for unvoting me, but you're not Scummy for unvoting GB? Okay...

Except I am NEVER that sloppy as Scum. Go ahead and look at how I treat my Scum buddies. I am never going to just LOL jump on their wagon for next to no reason. Fact check me on that or don't use it as a point against me.

Nobody cares about your constant self-metaing.

You want to show how it's constant? It's not. Only when it's valid. I've never lied about my meta.

But you just said that it was because of popular consensus. That wasn't mentioned earlier. And you made ZERO mention of saying Poyzin and I was SvT in what you said about Poyzin and I. So that's just a lie unless you said it somewhere else in that post and I really don't want to read that wall rn. So unless you can prove otherwise, I will keep my vote on GB since it seems you don't want that lynch to go through so bad.

If I'm concerned that Quick v Poyzin may not be TvT, why do I have to also explicitly mention that SvT is a possibility?

You didn't mention TvT either.

It's implied in me not 100% committing to the TvT read that I believe the interaction could possibly be 1 or either of SvT and SvS.

Convenient..

Also, if you believe that I am redirecting today's lynch away from GB based on an ulterior motive, then that motive always says more about me being scum than GB, and you should be moving your vote to me.

How about no because that's exactly what you want me to do. I am actually glad you brought this up so I can show just how much you don't want the lynch on GB to go through. The fact you even have to explicitly state that you don't want the GB lynch to go through says I am right where I should be.

[LuckyLuciano]

Case in point, LuckyLuciano

How do you know this?

"you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening"

you don't ask or give homework it's just how it is, imagine taking orders and instructions from some dude on a forum

I played with Marashu in Newbie 2002. They were scum. They did the same thing.

[Quick]

Case in point, LuckyLuciano

How do you know this?

"you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening"

you don't ask or give homework it's just how it is, imagine taking orders and instructions from some dude on a forum

I played with Marashu in Newbie 2002. They were scum. They did the same thing.

How about as Town?

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm not going to respond to that post Quick. Maybe not not, maybe not ever. Skimming over it, it's very clear that you care little about logic, and I have no desire to stress myself out trying to convince someone who I think may be scum of why I hold the beliefs that I do. I'd rather wait for Teacher to come back, Jumble to be replaced, Marashu to re-emerge, etc.

[Quick]

Also, GB disappeared. Where

is

that content anywyas?

[LuckyLuciano]

Case in point, LuckyLuciano

How do you know this?

"you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening"

you don't ask or give homework it's just how it is, imagine taking orders and instructions from some dude on a forum

I played with Marashu in Newbie 2002. They were scum. They did the same thing.

How about as Town?

The original quote,

Marashu, I don't like saying that activity is AI, partly because I understand how real life can get in the way of mafia, and partly because I don't have town meta from you to judge what your town activity looks like. However, you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening?

[Quick]

I'm not going to respond to that post Quick. Maybe not not, maybe not ever. Skimming over it, it's very clear that you care little about logic, and I have no desire to stress myself out trying to convince someone who I think may be scum of why I hold the beliefs that I do. I'd rather wait for Teacher to come back, Jumble to be replaced, Marashu to re-emerge, etc.

There's nothing stopping you from responding to it instead of giving ad hoc on why you don't want to respond to it.

[LuckyLuciano]

Spamming the thread showing how you are deliberately misrepresenting everything anyone else has ever said because you are so afraid of being manipulated does nothing to help the town if your deliberate misreps are not AI. Whoever hurt you, let me apologize on their behalf.