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[CantHateAPuppy]

I wasn't going to vote Puppy because I don't like that Votato is sitting on him

But his past 4 or so pages have been scumming it up IMO

yet youve made no real effort to engage me or push me beyond sheeping one post by blair.

i think i've changed my mind votato

i still stand by the logic that you/quick/dunn are the slots that need resolving, but maybe VP was right. reading through the game again my case on you d1 doesn't amount to very much by this point.

dunn is scum, i feel good about this now

VOTE: dunnstral

[CantHateAPuppy]

Blair, you seem town. Votato is not.

I'm not seeing Votato scum at this point in the game

Assuming Gamma is scum I'd guess Votato for partner. They've tried to get 3 other wagons off the ground (r2r, midway, blair), and he also threw some shade at me pre-gamma vote just based off of my hammer. Post 1166 is scummy

I'd scumread Votato even if Gamma is town, actually

after reading blair's arguments yesterday i really want to go after quick or votato, blair clearly felt pressured yesterday and i'm not sure that was all town pressing her

idk about this argument. If you're referring to the claim that was all quick's doing.

I do see Votato as scummy/scum with Gamma

VOTE: Votato

this is not a natural progression on votato

[Dunnstral]

Why, because my read changed between post 90 and post 1178?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Blair looks like town to me, Puppy looks kind of towny as well in response to pressure

Something about puppy's catchup is off to me. Like they're pretending not to know about the most recent of events on purpose

I'm not seeing the case against Puppy

hellbooks play is pretty bad actually, my townread from atarashi is fading

I don't really want to vote quick

I still want Votato

I wasn't going to vote Puppy because I don't like that Votato is sitting on him

But his past 4 or so pages have been scumming it up IMO

and this is not a natural progression on me

[CantHateAPuppy]

Why, because my read changed between post 90 and post 1178?

post 853, actually

you go from not seeing votato as scum at the end of day 1 (the phase you ended) then declaring on day 2 that he makes sense as scum with gamma, then saying he makes sense

even if

gamma is town

[Quick]

actually, quick, when have

you

ever influenced people in this game?

VP and others have commented on what I have said about my reads. I view VP as a VERY competent player. If he is not dogging what I am saying, then your opinion that it means nothing doesn't really hold its own weight.

[Dunnstral]

At post 853 I was responding to stuff that was happening at post 90 - I had just replaced in

[Dunnstral]

And Votato pushed a lot of bad wagons on day 2.

I think my read on you makes sense, I guess you're pointing to it because it changes and that's bad supposedly

[CantHateAPuppy]

and now, when dunn has supposedly had votato as scum all this time, and that's one of the reasons you wouldn't vote me (apparently. ? ), you suddenly announce that you feel comfortable voting with votato on me after all. because the last four pages of mine were scummy, or something. no, it doesn't make sense, why would you be happy voting a townread with your main scumread very suddenly, when it suddenly becomes very convenient for u?

[CantHateAPuppy]

At post 853 I was responding to stuff that was happening at post 90 - I had just replaced in

"i had just replaced in and was only responding to the early parts of the game"

"i felt so confident in my reads that i was ok hammering without even announcing intent to hammer"

pick one

[Dunnstral]

I was asked to hammer.

[Dunnstral]

"i had just replaced in and was only responding to the early parts of the game"

I mean, this is literally true. Can you argue otherwise?

[Quick]

dunn, at this point i have to ask you why u don't want to lynch quick

you've called him town and said you don't really want to lynch him, but i have to ask at this point why? do you see him as an asset? do you think you can see how he's thinking (black box!) and that this feels like a town thought process?

Its not just some made up shit and I am not actually doing anything behind the scenes. If that's what you think, then go on, lynch me.

but you keep changing your reads and you never need to explain them because it's all part of this magical black box (!) system.

Completely untrue. Where have my reads changed BASED ON THIS SYSTEM drastically? I usually always give my reads according to that. So tell me where my reads have drastically changed without reason/flips.

at least my POE has a set of reasons and a method.

Now you are just being foolish. You MUST assume I am doing NOTHING in the background to say this.

Let me ask you where you think I get 1682 if it's based on nothing...

[CantHateAPuppy]

And Votato pushed a lot of bad wagons on day 2.

I think my read on you makes sense, I guess you're pointing to it because it changes and that's bad supposedly

yes, your read on me changes very suddenly when quick offers you the chance to hammer on me

you say you have votato as scum and don't want to lynch me, but suddenly, you are ok changing both of those ideas because of... the last 4 pages were bad or something (when i flip green people will look at you for this)

but ok, you say i'm scum and you're ready to lynch me. put your vote where your mouth is instead of hiding waiting for someone else to put me at L-1.

[Dunnstral]

I was actually waiting to see how Votato would respond to 1950

[CantHateAPuppy]

I was asked to hammer.

oh, ok, guess it's not your responsibility then! there was no need to wait for NPOM to claim or announce a need to hammer, just hammer because quick tells u to!

"i had just replaced in and was only responding to the early parts of the game"

I mean, this is literally true. Can you argue otherwise?

"i was only responding to the early parts of the game, so you can't hold me responsible for my reads changing, but also i felt comfortable enough in my reads because i was told to hammer"

[CantHateAPuppy]

i cannot stress this contradiction enough:

your reads on votato changed dramatically between 853 and D2 (that's fine!)

but you explain that change by saying your early reads were just on early posts in the game. so, if i should disregard those early reads because they were early and you didn't have any confidence in them,

why did you hammer

? "quick told me to" is not a good answer.

[Dunnstral]

Arguing that my read changing from day 1 post 90 to day 2 post 1178 is "not a natural progression" is not a good argument, and all this extra stuff/shifting goalpost stuff you're doing isn't helping your case

[Dunnstral]

My read on post 90 on votato was not very relevant to my hammer on NPOM. I was looking at NPOM and saw things I didn't like - that's why I hammered.

[CantHateAPuppy]

you did not make post 90. you made post 853

you changed on votato from town to scum. now you say that your early reads were too early in the game for you to have any confidence in them. OK, but then why did you hammer?

[Dunnstral]

You know very well that I had just replaced in and was reading post 90 for the first time, and responding in order

[CantHateAPuppy]

@dunn: if you think i'm scum, vote for me. don't draw this out into some long argument that nobody else will read so you can point back and say "oh, puppy made a bad case so i thought he was scum, my bad XD"

you have announced that you are willing to hammer. Are you willing to L-1?

[Dunnstral]

you have announced that you are willing to hammer.

quote it

[Dunnstral]

You're the one dragging this out.

I point out how what you're saying is wrong and you shift it and switch what you're talking about to try to implicate me - and it still doesn't make sense

[CantHateAPuppy]

I wasn't going to vote Puppy because I don't like that Votato is sitting on him

But his past 4 or so pages have been scumming it up IMO

ok, you didn't say you'd hammer, but you want to vote me now, and you said this after quick offered to let you hammer

so vote me, instead of announcing that you'll vote me for "his past 4 or so pages". do this so that when i flip green the fact that you never had a good reason for voting me is very obvious.