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[Dunnstral]

And this wouldn't be happening if mav played his role correctly :roll:

Fact is that I never got a fruit, and never hinted at getting a fruit

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: CantLynchAPuppy

[CantHateAPuppy]

You're the one dragging this out.

I point out how what you're saying is wrong and you shift it and switch what you're talking about to try to implicate me - and it still doesn't make sense

no, it's very simple

you posted a catch-up in 853. you want to allege that these reads were not very strong, so it's fine for you to change them, but also strong enough that you felt good hammering. when pressed on this you blame quick for telling you to hammer.

do you normally sub into games in the early part of day 1, make one catch-up post, and then hammer because you were asked, before even stating intent or asking for a claim? who does that?

[CantHateAPuppy]

VOTE: CantLynchAPuppy

this is L-1 btw, since i flustered dunn into voting me so hard he isn't even keeping track of now

[Dunnstral]

you posted a catch-up in 853. you want to allege that these reads were not very strong, so it's fine for you to change them, but also strong enough that you felt good hammering. when pressed on this you blame quick for telling you to hammer.

That's not how the conversation happened

[CantHateAPuppy]

And this wouldn't be happening if mav played his role correctly

Fact is that I never got a fruit, and never hinted at getting a fruit

"it's quick's fault i hammered and it's mavs fault i'm not cleared" this is scum lynch this tomorrow folks

[CantHateAPuppy]

you posted a catch-up in 853. you want to allege that these reads were not very strong, so it's fine for you to change them, but also strong enough that you felt good hammering. when pressed on this you blame quick for telling you to hammer.

That's not how the conversation happened

yes it is

[Quick]

Quick, do you think that there is for sure scum within hellbooks/midway?

That's a good question. Nothing in this game is 100% certain. I have my PoE in order of least likely to most likely of votato, hellbooks, midway/Puppy actually. It's hard to see midway hard defending Puppy as Town without a flip from Puppy.

[midwaybear]

puppy don't leave

[CantHateAPuppy]

And this wouldn't be happening if mav played his role correctly

Fact is that I never got a fruit, and never hinted at getting a fruit

"it's quick's fault i hammered and it's mavs fault i'm not cleared" this is scum lynch this tomorrow folks

changed my mind. let's lynch this today!

[Quick]

Vote Count 1.7

ready2rock

(4):

NoPowerOverMe

, VP Baltar, mavsfan41,

Gammagooey

votato

(3):

CantLynchAPuppy

, iDanyboy,

Nauci

VP Baltar

(2): votato, ready2rock

NoPowerOverMe

(2): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick

Quick

(1):

Blair

Not Voting

(1): Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Peter Pan has (expired on 2020-05-18 00:56:00) to pick up his prod.

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@Puppy, did you stay on the votato wagon in spite of the case on R2R?

[CantHateAPuppy]

@Puppy, did you stay on the votato wagon in spite of the case on R2R?

hm. i think what happened is i read the case on r2r and kind of agreed with it, then decided the votato wagon wasn't going anywhere and i wanted to see what r2r would do with a little more pressure. so i switched votes, and since the day ended before the next time i came online never got to actually push r2r some more

[Quick]

@Puppy, did you stay on the votato wagon in spite of the case on R2R?

hm. i think what happened is i read the case on r2r and kind of agreed with it, then decided the votato wagon wasn't going anywhere and i wanted to see what r2r would do with a little more pressure. so i switched votes, and since the day ended before the next time i came online never got to actually push r2r some more

Okay, what I am asking is at what point did you vote votato. Was is before or after VP's vote on R2R?

[Quick]

You are saying you voted votato AFTER VP switched his vote to R2R? Who were you voting before votato?

[Quick]

UNVOTE:

Just so you don't feel too much pressure answering.

[CantHateAPuppy]

i think i voted votato after, my first vote was probably some rvs, votato was my first "real" vote i think. i think vp voted for r2r before i voted for votato, iirc.

[CantHateAPuppy]

technically not true, there's also an rvs post for nauci i forgot to quote, but votato was my first serious vote.

Spoiler:

You don't understand, usually by now Blair has the class settled down and school is in session. You'll see I guess, or maybe not, don't want to poison the well here, (Sorry Blair!)

So you're saying in your past experience, Blair would be serious out of the gates? Want to make sure I'm interpreting correctly

Blair posts a lot in RVS, that's all, don't mean anything scummy implied

Quick looks like he's doing his own thing but i want him to explain his townread more so

VOTE: Quick

I think youre beIng a little cryptic for some reason, but i guess i like that answer well enough for now

UNVOTE:

also clearly didnt check the vote count prior to voting, or he would have noticed it wasn't L-1. hmm, im torn here. so many places to vote, so few votes to cast...

Cast one with me!

VOTE: Atarashi Hajimari

But u just said that u were going to ignore the "wall tell" because u read over one of his scum games

Which is it? U have only seen town Atarashi and this doesn't look like it, or u have seen Atarashi as scum in all those games u claim u read?

this is a stupid

argument

and doesnt reflect what i said. if you look over the ISO that i linked, its pretty short. also, sample size = 1. all the meta stuff is a small part of the reason i suspect atarashi. their behavior in this game is why i scum read them. even after reading over that scum game, i dont feel like i have a clear pattern established of what scum!atarashi does. except maybe lurk and fluff, but that could be in that instance rather than a rule.

This is disingenuous. I am not making an argument but poking at your read which looks flimsy under scrutiny

You said that atarashi was scum because you thought he was jumpy compared to what he is like as town, and because you think he wall posts more as town. A "wall tell" and a "jump tell"

You said you read other games of his to determine this.

When I push you on this, you admit that your "wall tellQ falls under scrutiny because of a game where Atarashi was scum, then say that your "jump tell" is still good because you have never seen scum Atarashi

These are two weak tells, and they don't match. I think I've caught you pretending to scum humt

pedit: Now you jump to attacking me? Flail

VOTE: votato

Sheep me and I will shepherd, nobody is on a wagon as good as this one

[Quick]

Vote Count 1.9

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (6): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,

Blair

, votato, ready2rock

ready2rock

(3): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

,

CantLynchAPuppy

votato

(3): iDanyboy,

Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

Not Voting

(1):

Peter Pan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-05-25 00:50:00)

Notes:

• Seeking a replacement for Peter Pan.
  
• Atarashi Hajimari and iDanyboy each have (expired on 2020-05-18 18:52:00) to pick up their prods.[/area]

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Vote Count 1.10 (Final)

NoPowerOverMe

[/b] (7): Atarashi Hajimari, Quick, mavsfan41,

Blair

, votato, ready2rock, Dunnstral

ready2rock

(5): VP Baltar,

Gammagooey

,

CantLynchAPuppy, Nauci, NoPowerOverMe

votato

(1): iDanyboy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.[/area][/color]

Okay, I refuse to believe NPOM was a pure wagon...

[Quick]

I'm putting Dunn back in my Scum pool since the Non-Associative I have between Gamma and Dunn can be faked.

[votato]

And Votato pushed a lot of bad wagons on day 2.

I think my read on you makes sense, I guess you're pointing to it because it changes and that's bad supposedly

why would i push wagons on townies and then NK them immediately?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Puppy

Be advised, I have exited RVS.

in that case: justification? hopping on a wagon without justification post RVS seems bad

*Checks vote count before this*

A wagon you say?

unvote: puppy
Vote: votato

VP also completely ignored all the questions asked of him. interesting.

Pardon? I've tried to answer all questions directed my way. I'm sure there are things that have been missed along the way though due to the river of content, so feel free to point them out.

going through your ISO, I see this in post 244:

puppy and VP, what are your reads? what do you think of atarashi? you're both asking questions without actually offering up any thoughts of your own.

this was at the time with your name calling match with puppy, which i found quite silly and passed through relatively quickly since I was also working at that time. I've given reads at this point, so that answers that question. I do find your effort to slide in a completely unfounded remark like I'm not "offering up any thoughts of your own" complete cum BS. I'm 100% out in front here pushing your wagon to get people to weigh in, and it's not exactly like it's the most popular position to go after a likely scum who people think is too wreckless to not be town.

As far as I can see, I've directly addressed every other question you've put to me. This again fits with the pattern I identified when I first had a weird twinge about you and voted: You mischaracterize because you are fake scum hunting.

Hi again VP!

it's ur responsibilit to not get NK'd, not mine!

It's your responsibility to be good town. A mild reading between the lines of my words, which you accurately did, revealed where my head was at about possible busing. My point was there wasn't a benefit to the town making that more explicit there than it needed to be.

Quick: Blair is saying you were lying because you, on 3 separate occasions, claimed you purposely post enigmatically/mysteriously, and then in the 4th post claimed that you were NOT trying to be cryptic, which totally contradicts the previous 3 posts

Blair: I think that Quick both meant what he said the first 3 times, and what he said with that last bit, because A: the part about him NOT trying to be cryptic was referring to a very specific subset of his posts, and B: he sometimes owns the fact that he's unintentionally cryptic because he doesn't explain his theories well enough, but sometimes he also says that this happens because he's intentionally being mysterious. It's the sort of thing that has gotten him mislynched many a time. I think that if you're going to scum read him, you have to go a bit deeper than surface contradictions.

Major town points on Nauci here for me. I had been eyeing her carefully, but only town would defuse this pointless fight that well. Not looking great for you iDany.

Atarashi are more likely town than scum

What led you to determine this before he has come back today and responded to the scum reads on him?

Atarashi won me over with his initial flurry. Obviously I could be wrong and I want to hear more from him. But I got solid town vibes from what i have seen.

Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

Two things here. First, the fighting between them later definitely enforced my sense of TvT. Second, the point of me asking that question was to try to get Quick to articulate his case, which at that point felt very flimsy and undefined (at one point his reasoning to Puppy was that Blair seemed "off" because Puppy said she was good). I had hoped that by asking Quick to explain, he would be forced to acknowledge the case was weak and he might move on to a more productive path. I'll admit i did not have thorough follow through, in part because Quick's playstyle is a little exhausting for me to read.

Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

So at the time of this question, Blair’s VC was 2, NPOM and Quick. NPOM voted Blair way back in 189. Quick voted Blair closer to this post in 270 while baiting “feel free to ask me for my reasoning” which makes me believe that VP Baltar is directing the above at Quick.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

this is what i was talking about when i said i was waiting for juicy/tasty posts. atarashi is not off the hook, but VOTE: VP

I am jack's complete lack of surprise at this vote.

-Among active people, I think my biggest suspicion is on VP, as he seems to be trying to jump on minor more obvious things people say

Oh really? elaborate on this please..because literally just above in this post, you literally sheep my reasoning for voting votato...which is that he mischaracterizes posts.

for reference:

Also not a fan of 301 when he misinterprets what puppy is saying

And then there is this hilarious turn:

OK so I can't read today and there's only 1 vote on VP, so let's make it 2

VOTE: VP Baltar

Which is "DINGALINGALING, here comes the scum counter wagon to votato because he can't quite shake the pressure."

mavs and votato had just voted me. In fact, here is WHAT YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID IN THE PREVIOUS POST:

pedit: OK was about to vote and wanted to look for the last vote count first and

2 new votes on VP happened, brb gonna go count

Bold emphasis mine. So you knew there were two votes, and then you immediately cast a vote and tried to avoid any attention for hopping on that scummy as hell wagon by saying "oh I haven't read" and then intentionally misstated the vote count on me so people would believe you hadn't read.

Unvote, Vote: ready2rock

not sure why you want this but w/e, i'm going to go write out a concise dunn case

[Dunnstral]

And Votato pushed a lot of bad wagons on day 2.

I think my read on you makes sense, I guess you're pointing to it because it changes and that's bad supposedly

why would i push wagons on townies and then NK them immediately?

Blair was killed because of their role/claim

[Quick]

also clearly didnt check the vote count prior to voting, or he would have noticed it wasn't L-1. hmm, im torn here. so many places to vote, so few votes to cast...

Cast one with me!

VOTE: Atarashi Hajimari

because i didnt realize that i wasnt. VOTE: atarashi

VOTE: votato

Sheep me and I will shepherd, nobody is on a wagon as good as this one

This is quite a weird progression. What was this vote on votato for?

[CantHateAPuppy]

246 comes after 245, which was my votato case. the rest was just rvs stuff, where i usually try to vote just to make bigger wagons

[Umlaut]

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