Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

[votato]

unlike puppy, i am fishing for compliments. who would like to stroke my ego?

[CantHateAPuppy]

maybe i had you wrong votato, maybe we could have fun together in a different game.

do you have any opinions on my dunn case?

[hellbooks]

@hellbooks Where is your read on puppy atm? If puppy flips red, where do you propose we should look next?

town but if puppy flips red then I'd lynch vp baltar next

hellbooks play is pretty bad actually, my townread from atarashi is fading

sorry

narrator: It doesn't

towny from midway tho

hellbrooks, why exactly has your play been so waffling if you've been on this site for years and actually know how this game works?

thats my personality in real life too and i've done that for quite a few years as well so there you have it, sorry im annoying

Yeah, you really should have some reads at this point... I remember you are more of a cautious player but something tells me you are being too hedgy. You keep saying "Hmm" "I don't know" and the like. I don't buy it. Pretty soon you will unvote Puppy and that will be a bad look for you..

in fact i already did so take that bad look to the bank baby

I was actually baiting this move by hellbooks with my naked vote on Puppy. It turns out both midway and hellbooks had really bad reactions to my vote on Puppy IIRC, but I think hellbooks was worse given that midway just blatantly calls Puppy Town and hellbooks just skirts the issue with an "Uhg" without any explanation.

dang!

also i think its funny that puppy colors himself the same as the flipped townies. i will say that if puppy is town that does make me more likely to be scum, but it feels like he's trying to manipulate people with pretty colors while not saying that's what he's doing. and if instead of assuming that puppy is town, if we just color his name in red, his "case" on me looks way worse.

terrible angle but it comes from town

My case for hellbrooks being a good choice would be that she is waffling more than I think is reasonable, she could definitely fit with Gamma, and she is posting plenty in GD on her other account ... so she is clearly around more than we are seeing.

big part of the poison here

@hellbrooks - why is outing the alt "poisonous" to you wanting to post here? I mean, it was an accident. I don't think anyone thinks less of you for doing it.

well before i was unworried about the game and now i am like strongly worried

[hellbooks]

big part of the poison here

to clarify: about my alt being in gd. let me shit post in peace

[hellbooks]

dunn definitely feels like hes consistently been a step removed from the game but i felt like his reaction to the claim felt kind of unassailably town which makes me want to overlook scummy play

[hellbooks]

And Votato pushed a lot of bad wagons on day 2.

I think my read on you makes sense, I guess you're pointing to it because it changes and that's bad supposedly

why would i push wagons on townies and then NK them immediately?

what??

this is a phenomenally bad post

[Quick]

VOTE: hellbooks

[Quick]

L-1

[Quick]

VOTE: midway

[hellbooks]

VOTE: hellbooks

uh oh!!!

VOTE: midway

oh shit!!!

[midwaybear]

why are you changing your vote so much
hellbooks reaction was pretty funny, but you should have kept the L-1 threat there

[Quick]

why are you changing your vote so much
hellbooks reaction was pretty funny, but you should have kept the L-1 threat there

Scummy reaction, bro.

[midwaybear]

not scum bro

[ready2rock]

oh man you got him there bro

[Quick]

oh man you got him there bro

Bro!

[VP Baltar]

Sure:

* Dunn's main catch-up came in 853. He clearly felt good enough about his reads to hammer in the next post, but when pressed on how his reads have changed since 853 claims that those were early reads and so they don't mean much.

* Dunn still refuses to take responsibility for the D1 hammer. He keeps blaming quick for telling him to hammer. This is a cop out.

* Dunn had votato as a strong scum read and me as a weak town read. Then, last night (forgot post num, on phone), he decided he's willing to Lynch me after all even though he had said the whole time he wouldn't vote with votato. That's not a natural evolution, that's just convenient.

The whole pattern of Dunn's iso is refusing to take responsibility and convenient reads when he needs them. The only point in his favor is that he voted gamma before Blair claimed, but I think that's weak.

I think the strongest point here is No. 3. Definitely seemed like he flexed under pressure. I can possibly see a town reason for this, but I won't speak for Dunn and give him that explanation. I also agree there is likely scum on the NPOM wagon, which I've been saying since day 1 (though I think your analysis is much stronger than me just feeling that has to be the case). Seems most likely somewhere in the hellbrooks/Quick/Dunn mix.

I think we have a difference of opinion about Dunn's position on the Gamma wagon, but I've mentioned that before.

As for hellbooks: 1812 & 1830 make NO sense for scum!hellbooks to post. She votes puppy and scum would just sit on that and not remove an L-1 vote and then gauge interest on a re-evaluation of the R2R slot potentially starting a new wagon with a mislynch so close. Thoughts?

Seems like a lot of WIFOM to me. The lack of taking actual positions and trying to get lynches had been very much working in hellbrooks' favor until very recently.

@hellbooks Where is your read on puppy atm? If puppy flips red, where do you propose we should look next?

town but if puppy flips red then I'd lynch vp baltar next

I feel like I'm on your target list no matter how you're trying to relate it tho...

hellbrooks, why exactly has your play been so waffling if you've been on this site for years and actually know how this game works?

thats my personality in real life too and i've done that for quite a few years as well so there you have it, sorry im annoying

I don't think you're annoying. I just think your playstyle is very hard to read if you're town.

@hellbrooks - why is outing the alt "poisonous" to you wanting to post here? I mean, it was an accident. I don't think anyone thinks less of you for doing it.

well before i was unworried about the game and now i am like strongly worried

ok. But why are you worried more? Look, I don't care about your alt or if you're spending more time in GD. I think the issue is that you seem to be not trying this game and coasting, even though you're active on the site. If you were adding to the scumhunting here, but posting in GD 10 times as much, I doubt it would look scummy.

[Dunnstral]

Sure:

* Dunn's main catch-up came in 853. He clearly felt good enough about his reads to hammer in the next post, but when pressed on how his reads have changed since 853 claims that those were early reads and so they don't mean much.

* Dunn still refuses to take responsibility for the D1 hammer. He keeps blaming quick for telling him to hammer. This is a cop out.

* Dunn had votato as a strong scum read and me as a weak town read. Then, last night (forgot post num, on phone), he decided he's willing to Lynch me after all even though he had said the whole time he wouldn't vote with votato. That's not a natural evolution, that's just convenient.

The whole pattern of Dunn's iso is refusing to take responsibility and convenient reads when he needs them. The only point in his favor is that he voted gamma before Blair claimed, but I think that's weak.

I think the strongest point here is No. 3. Definitely seemed like he flexed under pressure. I can possibly see a town reason for this, but I won't speak for Dunn and give him that explanation.

Nah I wasn't going to entertain him shouting for me to vote him any longer. If he's going to push me like that he can die regardless to be honest. Also his arguments are not in good faith, it should be clear that he's grasping to find anything to use against me. I assumed Votato would awkwardly swap to voting me anyway.

[mavsfan41]

@VP: I’m not quite sure I buy the WIFOM theory about hellbooks. I get why people do read her as scummy. But she was mentioned as scummy and a potential lynch. So I can’t see how scum!hellbooks takes her vote off at L-1 and gauges interest in an R2R lynch (a lynch that would be a much harder lynch as R2R sat at 0 votes).With her removing her vote, scum!hellbooks made it harder to get a presumed mislynch knowing very well she might be today’s lynch. I still think despite her scumminess, I can’t see that action coming from scum in that scenario.

[Quick]

Let me know if you see Scum hunting here, thanks.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Umlaut]

LicketyQuickety replaces Quick.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hello...

This is my main.

[votato]

you just replaced yourself? why?

[LicketyQuickety]

you just replaced yourself? why?

Thought I would go back to my roots.

[Umlaut]

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[Umlaut]

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