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Vote Count 3.12

CantLynchAPuppy

(3): mavsfan41, votato, Dunnstral

hellbooks

(3): midwaybear, VP Baltar, ready2rock

midwaybear

(1): LicketyQuickety

Dunnstral

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

Not Voting

(1): hellbooks

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-03 01:07:00)

[Quick]

959 is actually a good case on r2r from votato, makes me want to go back to my case on votato from d1 and figure out if i still agree with it. would be entirely happy at this point to resolve between votato/r2r from yesterday, still

VOTE: votato

Sheep me and I will shepherd, nobody is on a wagon as good as this one

Hi votato!

You are welcome to vote me, since your Atarashi read is so weak and you keep implying I'm "refusing" and "ignoring". It sounds like you suspect me. That's great! Totally wrong, but it's great you are getting rid of your old made up reads for some new ones.

Thanks for reading!

- Puppy

but isnt the increasing quality of the wagons (maybe) and the increasing information resulting (definitely) a natural result of moving out of RVS?

nauci, i feel like the two somewhat contradict in terms of internal reasoning. i think both are valid reasons. i just dont think one mind could think both of those things at once.

Hi votato!

Going to assume u don't like the wagon on u, but u do think we're out of RVS now and ur wagon that i pushed is part of that, right? So, with 5 votes on u, who's scum? Who is voting u for "bad" reasons and who is voting for "scum" reasons?

VP also completely ignored all the questions asked of him. interesting.

And u ignored the question and which questions i was "ignoring". is this double interesting? triple interesting?

also, its page fucking 10. no one has the game solved. im probably wrong about atarashi. im just spitballing here and point out something i noticed. if you agree with me, why arent you voting atarashi? if you disagree, why not tell me what you disagree with? puppy and VP, what are your reads? what do you think of atarashi? you're both asking questions without actually offering up any thoughts of your own.

explain your thoughts about atarashi. you now have said you townread him right? but why? like someone else said, it seems premature since a case was made, and then he disappeared. if i suddenly disappeared for a day would you suddenly townread me, too?

I still like my votato case, but we have some time and I want to try something else on for a moment

VOTE: ready2rock

oh really? why now? and why is this the thing you want to try?

i want to see what happens when r2r has to face a little more pressure

VOTE: votato

i think this makes the most sense, i still buy my d1 case that votato was phoning in the scumhunting a little bit and i don't like his interactions with blair

not 100% on this, but i want to mark this down before we end up in a midway/mavs thunderdome i'm not sure i agree with

I found the worst of the worst for Puppy vs votato fight and I think it's TvT.

Puppy has a kind of Town edge in their play. It's somewhat like mine when I am feeling agitated. I buy Puppy on Town and I think Puppy legit thinks votato is Scum. I will also say Puppy seems to be pretty authentic in some places. CAN scum fake that? Sure, but usually Scum try and push lynches and not look authentic.

I'd really prefer lynching midway.

[LicketyQuickety]

^ Was me.

[VP Baltar]

@VP: I’m not quite sure I buy the WIFOM theory about hellbooks. I get why people do read her as scummy. But she was mentioned as scummy and a potential lynch. So I can’t see how scum!hellbooks takes her vote off at L-1 and gauges interest in an R2R lynch (a lynch that would be a much harder lynch as R2R sat at 0 votes).With her removing her vote, scum!hellbooks made it harder to get a presumed mislynch knowing very well she might be today’s lynch. I still think despite her scumminess, I can’t see that action coming from scum in that scenario.

It's a fair point. I just feel like despite running lots of folks up today, we haven't been too unified on a decision. Put another way, what were the odds of any given L-1 happening? But you make a solid point on what the standard scum play would be there.

Appreciate Quick being good people, regardless of alignment. You have my vote.

UNVOTE: hellbrooks
VOTE: midway

Midway definitely hasn't been scumhunting this game, and the several "I'm cleared town!" posts could be bad town play or just a scum gambit to plant disinformation. Mostly, I think we need to start coalescing wagons here and I'm not down for offing Puppy. I don't get the sense people are super into a hellbrooks wagon, even though I think there is a reasonable case there (at least as reasonable as midway). Plus side is that I think it's very possible for midway to have bussed Gamma. Plus, if midway flips red, that makes Quick look much better. Downside is that getting rid of midway doesn't clear up anything on that NPOM wagon the first day.

[hellbooks]

why are you changing your vote so much
hellbooks reaction was pretty funny, but you should have kept the L-1 threat there

yeah hahaha almost like he cant make up his mind lol cant commit right ahsjahjahahaha
sorry i was trying to be like funny but that came off as bitter

I feel like I'm on your target list no matter how you're trying to relate it tho...

The sort of reason for that is that you are not making posts that I think are town

ok. But why are you worried more? Look, I don't care about your alt or if you're spending more time in GD. I think the issue is that you seem to be not trying this game and coasting, even though you're active on the site. If you were adding to the scumhunting here, but posting in GD 10 times as much, I doubt it would look scummy.

I would say I am trying like a medium amount

checking for midway gamma interactions

[hellbooks]

jack shit from gamma on midway o_o

[hellbooks]

precious little on gamma from midwaybear too o_o

don't worry. If you are town, blair is dead tmrw
there are no redirecting roles in normal games

this feels kinda town :\

[ready2rock]

Biggest pitch I have for hellbooks over midway is that I think the former would give us a bit more information, since I don't think midway's posts are as substantial.

Plus, y'know, I think hellbooks is more likely to be scum

I'd be OK with midway though

[ready2rock]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: midwaybear

[mavsfan41]

If midway flips scum, who are potential partners? This is one of my biggest hang ups for midway. Votato is likely not linked. I think the player formally known as Quick wouldn’t be linked. VP probably wouldn’t either. If he flips town, town gets nothing from the lynch. If he does flip scum, that would go a long way in clearing various players.

@the player formally known as Quick: what does your system have for midway pairings?

[LicketyQuickety]

If midway flips scum, who are potential partners? This is one of my biggest hang ups for midway. Votato is likely not linked. I think the player formally known as Quick wouldn’t be linked. VP probably wouldn’t either. If he flips town, town gets nothing from the lynch. If he does flip scum, that would go a long way in clearing various players.

@the player formally known as Quick: what does your system have for midway pairings?

Puppy, hellbooks, and for a spicy take, given the lack of follow through from R2R with Gamma, there's nothing that prevents a midway/R2R either.

[ready2rock]

Agree with mavs. I do think the other wagons we've had recently would give us more information to go off.

That being said, I don't want the end of the day to be rushed, and it seems from the activity in the thread lately that most people have said their piece

[votato]

Agree with mavs. I do think the other wagons we've had recently would give us more information to go off.

That being said, I don't want the end of the day to be rushed, and it seems from the activity in the thread lately that most people have said their piece

what wagons do you think would give more info and why?

[midwaybear]

be careful with mavs, hellbooks, votato
fine with treating dunn, r2r, VPB as town
scum could be puppy+quick too, but that's a hot take

[votato]

be careful with mavs, hellbooks, votato
fine with treating dunn, r2r, VPB as town
scum could be puppy+quick too, but that's a hot take

so youre saying that the scum team is you and hellbooks?

[midwaybear]

no probably one of the three combinations of the three scumreads
puppy+quick is also possible, but I doubt it

[LicketyQuickety]

Agree with mavs. I do think the other wagons we've had recently would give us more information to go off.

That being said, I don't want the end of the day to be rushed, and it seems from the activity in the thread lately that most people have said their piece

[LicketyQuickety]

puppy+quick is also possible, but I doubt it

Based on what, if you don't mind my asking.

[ready2rock]

Agree with mavs. I do think the other wagons we've had recently would give us more information to go off.

That being said, I don't want the end of the day to be rushed, and it seems from the activity in the thread lately that most people have said their piece

what wagons do you think would give more info and why?

Well I was pretty clear in my previous posts that a hellbooks lynch is what I'd prefer at this point, and I wouldn't mind puppy either

Overall I think both have given more substantial reads/analysis throughout the day, which gives us more to go off the next day than midway, who has either given no read or minimal read with no reason stated

Basically, I think using other people to figure out midway will be easier to do than using midway to figure out other people

[Dunnstral]

I feel like I can't get puppy and/or votato lynched because everyone is following what quick is doing and he's not pushing those

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel like I can't get puppy and/or votato lynched because everyone is following what quick is doing and he's not pushing those

What do you think about Puppy/votao as TvT?

How I arrived at my conclusion was F3 + votato in Puppy's ISO.

[LicketyQuickety]

precious little on gamma from midwaybear too o_o

don't worry. If you are town, blair is dead tmrw
there are no redirecting roles in normal games

this feels kinda town :\

Good point, but if I am newb Scum I am going to subconsciously think, "One good one. That should do the trick."

[LicketyQuickety]

Currently, with all that's been said...

My team right now is...

midway/Puppy
midway/hellbooks
And for a dark horse:
VP/mav

[LicketyQuickety]

Though TBH, I will reevaluate R2R upon midway Scum flip (granted I make it through to the next Day, which is unlikely if midway is Scum).

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are NoPowerOverMe, Ready2Rock, and votato wagons?

Town unite!

VOTE: ready2rock

What made you switch votes, was it because it looks like you two are the only viable wagons right now?

Spoiler:

FOS: Atarashi Hajimari

I don't think you should "be willing to sheep" "for now" and at the same time put someone at L-2.

I liked Atarashi on this page/the page before

Blair, you seem town. Votato is not.

I'm not seeing Votato scum at this point in the game

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Blair looks like town to me, Puppy looks kind of towny as well in response to pressure

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So I should have asked myself to spew town as well?

I'm not really following. (Also, THAT definitely would be asking for town cred)

You shouldn't "ask yourself to spew town", you should just do things that are pro town rather than go around looking for people that think you are town.

I'm wondering what your experience is since you apparently didn't have an avatar earlier and are a new account

im a bit torn between atarashi and VP here for my next vote, but im feeling better about puppy.

This is so-so, I don't know what you're looking at for atarashi and VP here, agree on puppy at this point in time

Now THAT's a bad OMGUS vote.

Given that two people voted for two different targets one after the other before this post, you may want to specify.

Putting your head in the sand doesn't make the problem go away.

I've got no idea what you're on about right now

I don't see any logical reason for the Blair/Atarashi teamup unless they are scumbuddies to be honest.

What team-up? Them voting together?

I don't see why scum!Atarashi would ask for anyone to take a vague statement that could have been addressing several people and ask for it to be clarified that it was directed at him.

He's an egotist?

I don't like this post: I don't think this is a real thought you would have as town, it looks like you're just trying to be right

Rather be rude town than polite scum.

Being scum is rng, being rude isn't, just saying

My strongest opinion so far is that Puppy looks surprisingly town for how early it is - his/her posting seems very open and straightforward so far and I think that kind of mindset is much more likely to come from town than scum

I like Blair's playstyle but she feels competent enough for what she's posted so far to come from town or scum. She's putting in the work tho so she'll prob be readable before too long

VOTE: Nauci
Not particularly confident in it but she's a fine first 'real' vote - NPOM feels like he/she'd be a good early target for scum given their abrasiveness so far and doubling down on mavs' RVS post having a justification and saying that he disappeared 12 hours into the game seems dumb.
like yeah there's mavs literally now because it's morning and it makes sense

Might have more at lunch (which is in like 3 hours since some of ya'll seem like non-East Coasters)

Nauci looks fine to me at this point in the game

i cant explain why he'd post walls right out of RVS.

I don't think this is a valid scumtell

Disagree?

yep!

Okay, well Blair seems LAMIST to me this game so far.

Fair point

Hi, stop blowing up my spot. I do not want to get NKed

Weird

I think some three of the most non active people voting baltar shows that he is town

Non active = scum ?

VP also completely ignored all the questions asked of him. interesting.

Pardon? I've tried to answer all questions directed my way. I'm sure there are things that have been missed along the way though due to the river of content, so feel free to point them out.

Note to Votato: I feel like you keep saying that people are ignoring all questions and I'm not remembering the questions being asked either. Maybe I'm just glossing over stuff.

OK some questions for VP

1) You said early on in the thread that you didn't like puppy talking about blair's inactivity. Did that actually affect your read one way or the other, since you had your vote on them at the time? And thoughts on puppy now?

2) Since you asked for the case on Blair (336) and since then a lot of discussion has happened between her and quick. Thoughts on Blair now?

3) Do you still think there's value in pressuring votato more at this stage?

1) puppy is town. said as much.

2) Blair is town. said as much. Also addressed mavs question in my previous post.

3) I think there is value in lynching votato and in lynching you, yes.

This post feels towny

I didn't see that post. It sounds like a town lurker looking for an excuse to lurk so when he is scum he has town lurking meta.

For this post too: "I don't like this post: I don't think this is a real thought you would have as town, it looks like you're just trying to be right"

It's a terrible wagon. I think it speaks for itself.

But hey, if you want to lynch someone based on an OMGUS then be my guest.

Scummy reaction IMO

I think she’s scummy af. Especially after 673.

I'm not seeing Nauci as scummy

yeah quicks style is shit, but in this instance there is a larger case. none of you are doing anything to address the case. you are trying to form counterwagons or engage in ad hominem.

I agree with this post; at least, the second half is what I'm talking about. But I think it's mostly NPOM - he changed his tune when Blair/Quick turned on him

Walk me through this Dunn. How do you get from A-Z here?