Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Blair]

(Hint: Because he's scum)

[Nauci]

Aloratom has felt somewhat "off" since I subbed in, but I need consultation because I can't decide if it's Aloratom being scum or Aloratom being Aloratom.

So... you're not on board with my logic that there was no way votato would defend Freddie that way as scum? Why not?

What part of what I said above indicates what you said below?

Why speculate on votato's rep if you agree votato is definitely town?

I don't make up my mind 100% about a slot based on

a single interaction

and then never assess that slot again.

Do you?

Are you saying that my assessment of the slot is based on a single interaction from votato, instead of like 10 pages of him quintupling down on townreading Freddie while people literally went from TRing to SRing and abusing him for doing so?

[Blair]

Are you suggesting that a single interaction can't last ten pages?

More importantly, why fixate on that instead of addressing my actual point? (That nobody makes up their mind about a slot once and then stops examining them)

[Nauci]

You made it L-2. You knew that Dunn was my other scum read, and you knew Gibus was willing to lynch there, so it was risky to leave him at -2

Check the time stamps on those posts you're referring to.

Are you suggesting it was my dastardly scum plan to place Dunnstral at L-2 for five nanoseconds, then freak out and unvote?

That was actually exactly what I'm saying, yeah. The distancing credit of being willing to put him at -2 without really risking having him at -2 with so many players currently active

[Blair]

Except I only moved my vote back to Gibus because Tuxedo immediately voted for Gibus (like I said I would if someone did).

Unless you think I'm scum with Tuxedo (what a weird gambit, btw), how did I arrange that?

And if I'm scum with Tuxedo, why would I care if Dunn was lynched? Believe me, if I'm scum, I am not afraid to drive a lynch.

[Nauci]

Are you suggesting that a single interaction can't last ten pages?

More importantly, why fixate on that instead of addressing my actual point? (That nobody makes up their mind about a slot once and then stops examining them)

I mean, I interpret "a single interaction" as a single concise event. I extremely do not agree that votato's TR of Freddie can be classified as such, especially when it involved interacting with multiple other players. I think it would be so absurd for a scum votato to stick his neck out that far for any reason.

I had also been TRing him since the latter half of Day 1

Also, I think that it can often be singular events which would be so against someone's wincon that if they are a reasonable player and do them, it's safe to form a strong read, yes.

[Blair]

So yes, or no?

Do you form such strong reads on players that you stop assessing their slots anymore? And if yes, why did you assume I would do the sMe?

[Blair]

*same

[Nauci]

Except I only moved my vote back to Gibus because Tuxedo immediately voted for Gibus (like I said I would if someone did).

Unless you think I'm scum with Tuxedo (what a weird gambit, btw), how did I arrange that?

And if I'm scum with Tuxedo, why would I care if Dunn was lynched? Believe me, if I'm scum, I am not afraid to drive a lynch.

This would only be true if it was unlikely that someone would vote gibus not too long afterwards

[Blair]

It was unlikely. I'd been trying to get all of you to vote Gibus for days.

[gibus]

I'm null on Dunnstral right now

VOTE: Dunnstral

What happened to FF, your other scumread?

So unless you are indicating you are suddenly interested in cobbling a Battle Mage together in the next 24 hours (this would be a stunning development on your part), it is not at all clear why you even made this post.

You said you scumread FF a lot more (#1813), but voted Dunn instead, who was a null read.

ebwop

I don't understand Blair's intention in forming a

power wagon

on me. I really expected her to form better reads, but since she's insisting on lynching me without a good case, I retract what I said in #1889.

I'm sorry can you tl;dr me the other reasons for your read on Fish because I ISOed you and I see tons of your posts scumreading FF, sheeping him and I to vote for Brass, then mostly talk about him speculating about Freddie on Day 2. When and why did you go from scumreading him to willing to sheep him then back to scumreading?

FF's early game looked scummy, he never posted his opinions on the players(early in the game he pinned three players, but that was made with no intention of scumhunting and bad PoE), and the one time he scumread brass, he ignored Copy's slot, who made the same mistake and more.
When I asked FF about his thoughts on Copy, it sounded a lot like they were masons. Hence I didn't want to push their slots in D1.
Since there was no NK in night 1, it's evident that there's a Doc/JK in this setup, which invalidates my thought that they were masons.
FF tunnelling Fred's slot worsened my opinion on him, so he remains a SR.

[Nauci]

So yes, or no?

Do you form such strong reads on players that you stop assessing their slots anymore? And if yes, why did you assume I would do the sMe?

I at no point said or even speculated that you would do the same. Specifically, I've been asking players for what they thought about my assessment of votato and the logic behind it for many pages now. You never commented on it, but did speculate about Alortom's alignment, so I was trying to ascertain if you agreed

or

disagreed with my towncase as a logical implication of your post.

[Blair]

So yes, or no?

Do you form such strong reads on players that you stop assessing their slots anymore? And if yes, why did you assume I would do the sMe?

I at no point said or even speculated that you would do the same.

... Then what were you implying here:

Aloratom has felt somewhat "off" since I subbed in, but I need consultation because I can't decide if it's Aloratom being scum or Aloratom being Aloratom.

So... you're not on board with my logic that there was no way votato would defend Freddie that way as scum? Why not?

[Nauci]

I'm null on Dunnstral right now

VOTE: Dunnstral

What happened to FF, your other scumread?

So unless you are indicating you are suddenly interested in cobbling a Battle Mage together in the next 24 hours (this would be a stunning development on your part), it is not at all clear why you even made this post.

You said you scumread FF a lot more (#1813), but voted Dunn instead, who was a null read.

ebwop

I don't understand Blair's intention in forming a

power wagon

on me. I really expected her to form better reads, but since she's insisting on lynching me without a good case, I retract what I said in #1889.

I'm sorry can you tl;dr me the other reasons for your read on Fish because I ISOed you and I see tons of your posts scumreading FF, sheeping him and I to vote for Brass, then mostly talk about him speculating about Freddie on Day 2. When and why did you go from scumreading him to willing to sheep him then back to scumreading?

FF's early game looked scummy, he never posted his opinions on the players(early in the game he pinned three players, but that was made with no intention of scumhunting and bad PoE), and the one time he scumread brass, he ignored Copy's slot, who made the same mistake and more.
When I asked FF about his thoughts on Copy, it sounded a lot like they were masons. Hence I didn't want to push their slots in D1.
Since there was no NK in night 1, it's evident that there's a Doc/JK in this setup, which invalidates my thought that they were masons.
FF tunnelling Fred's slot worsened my opinion on him, so he remains a SR.

Goddamn, Gibus. Like right after being accused of scummily cutting out the context of Blair's post to shade her, did you just cut out the context of her post where she accused you of cutting out the context of her post?

[Nauci]

So yes, or no?

Do you form such strong reads on players that you stop assessing their slots anymore? And if yes, why did you assume I would do the sMe?

I at no point said or even speculated that you would do the same.

... Then what were you implying here:

Aloratom has felt somewhat "off" since I subbed in, but I need consultation because I can't decide if it's Aloratom being scum or Aloratom being Aloratom.

So... you're not on board with my logic that there was no way votato would defend Freddie that way as scum? Why not?

I was asking if you

disagreed

with my read of votato that's based on "a single interaction."

[gibus]

I'm null on Dunnstral right now

VOTE: Dunnstral

What happened to FF, your other scumread?

So unless you are indicating you are suddenly interested in cobbling a Battle Mage together in the next 24 hours (this would be a stunning development on your part), it is not at all clear why you even made this post.

You said you scumread FF a lot more (#1813), but voted Dunn instead, who was a null read.

ebwop

I don't understand Blair's intention in forming a

power wagon

on me. I really expected her to form better reads, but since she's insisting on lynching me without a good case, I retract what I said in #1889.

I'm sorry can you tl;dr me the other reasons for your read on Fish because I ISOed you and I see tons of your posts scumreading FF, sheeping him and I to vote for Brass, then mostly talk about him speculating about Freddie on Day 2. When and why did you go from scumreading him to willing to sheep him then back to scumreading?

FF's early game looked scummy, he never posted his opinions on the players(early in the game he pinned three players, but that was made with no intention of scumhunting and bad PoE), and the one time he scumread brass, he ignored Copy's slot, who made the same mistake and more.
When I asked FF about his thoughts on Copy, it sounded a lot like they were masons. Hence I didn't want to push their slots in D1.
Since there was no NK in night 1, it's evident that there's a Doc/JK in this setup, which invalidates my thought that they were masons.
FF tunnelling Fred's slot worsened my opinion on him, so he remains a SR.

Goddamn, Gibus. Like right after being accused of scummily cutting out the context of Blair's post to shade her, did you just cut out the context of her post where she accused you of cutting out the context of her post?

Having no wagon on her scumread is not an excuse to vote for her null read.

[Blair]

So yes, or no?

Do you form such strong reads on players that you stop assessing their slots anymore? And if yes, why did you assume I would do the sMe?

I at no point said or even speculated that you would do the same.

... Then what were you implying here:

Aloratom has felt somewhat "off" since I subbed in, but I need consultation because I can't decide if it's Aloratom being scum or Aloratom being Aloratom.

So... you're not on board with my logic that there was no way votato would defend Freddie that way as scum? Why not?

I was asking if you

disagreed

with my read of votato that's based on "a single interaction."

Ah, okay then.

I don't disagree with it, but I do disagree with the strength of the read you gathered from it, evidently.

(Also, I'm laughing too hard at your response to Gibus - send help)

[Blair]

Having no wagon on her scumread is not an excuse to vote for her null read.

With 24 hours to deadline?

In that scenario I will always accept a lynch on a null read if I can't get my scumreads lynched. Lynching null reads helps narrow my PoE.

[Nauci]

I'll have y'all know that I typed the last several pages of responses with a 20 lb fatass foster cat sleeping on my left arm/lap, and now my left arm is asleep and my right arm has a huge cramp so I'm going to take a break

[Blair]

Goddamn, Gibus. Like right after being accused of scummily cutting out the context of Blair's post to shade her, did you just cut out the context of her post where she accused you of cutting out the context of her post?

Sig material, tbh.

[gibus]

Goddamn, Gibus. Like right after being accused of scummily cutting out the context of Blair's post to shade her, did you just cut out the context of her post where she accused you of cutting out the context of her post?

Sig material, tbh.

Yes lol

[Nauci]

Goddamn, Gibus. Like right after being accused of scummily cutting out the context of Blair's post to shade her, did you just cut out the context of her post where she accused you of cutting out the context of her post?

Sig material, tbh.

Yes lol

Well, at least you're aware of why you have slipped from my slight green to slight red list

[gibus]

Goddamn, Gibus. Like right after being accused of scummily cutting out the context of Blair's post to shade her, did you just cut out the context of her post where she accused you of cutting out the context of her post?

Sig material, tbh.

Yes lol

Well, at least you're aware of why you have slipped from my slight green to slight red list

I'm not.

[gibus]

I'm null on Dunnstral right now

VOTE: Dunnstral

What happened to FF, your other scumread?

I was trying to point out how a null read won the vote over a scumread. Didn't mean to sound shady

[BBmolla]

Hey hombres not trying to lurk just busy