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[Raya36]

When is it appropriate for town power roles to claim to avoid being lynched?

I think if you are the bottom 2 it would make sense for claims then.

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

Why not. Who would you like to see in the bottom 2?

I'm scum reading cakez.
I would keep PB and Beeboy out of the bottom 2.
I'm torn about TSE, as I can tell I see a lot of things that read inflated and over the top and he has pissed me off with some of his ego that comes off as unnecessary, but Bee seems to be town reading him. I read unwnd and I liked how he wrote things but then I felt maybe it's because I see things the same way as he does so I'm bias there.
I see you town read cakez (don't agree with that read at all as you can tell). His reads don't make sense and I think he's buddying up once he declared a light scum read on PB after it was voiced by others.
I know I'm not the only player that see's the TSE/unwnd dynamic in one way or another.
On a personal level I would like to see TSE/Cakez bottom 2 as my scum read on cakez is stronger then TSE. On a more thoughtful and interesting dynamic and something that I think would give more voices to this with people giving there 2 cents I would say unwnd/Cakez on the bottom 2.
I'd be curious to see who say's what more since some have found both scummy and Beeboy hasn't pulled one way or another. I think it would make it a voice for all to say who they scum read more and as I said I would still be advocating Cakez as scum either way.

So we agree on keeping PB out and obviously beeboy. I'll look back through SirCakez again but I'm not really seeing anything to scumread him over. I'll take a closer look at that PB buddying thing you mentioned.

[Raya36]

I'm honestly not super happy with the pool that's left. Beeboy obviously doesn't flip scum but they should be here for that reason. I don't want to see PB or SirCakez lynched. I actually think the Unwnd vs TSE has high potential to be TvS though and I think we're most likely to hit scum between them and I think Beeboy or PB should choose based on what majority have asked for. Then SirCakez who I town read can choose between Beeboy and PB deciding the lynch.

I was thinking something like this:

Raya > SirCakez > PB/Beeboy > PB/Beeboy > TSE/Unwnd

Can I get some input on this order and who everyone wants their bottom two to be? I think we're at the point in the list that the next decision almost decides who the bottom two will be so I want to make sure everyone gives some input.

[Dunnstral]

imo Sircakez + Unwnd for bottom 2

[Starbuck]

I skim through it. I don't think I have the time to read every single detail therefore I'm saving myself trouble.

Based on the person you seem to be you seem ready for any response. This gives me pause. I don't know much how...natural? Your catchups seem. Walls of text have to be parsed through. You agree with me stating that going back and forth in keyboard wars. It just seems however that a lot of your 'keyboard wars' are heavily reactionary. I won't sit here and lie to you that I fully get what you and farside were beefing about early. I do now however it happened and now it seems like that's all it was. It happened and now we're here.

I can't really help you if you don't have the time to read. In all actuality, I don't feel like I'm ready for any response, but I try to take in what I can and try to understand the different goings-on to both help the town, as well as myself, further down the line if I live long enough. There's a lot to remember in these games and I like to make sure that I put down what I'm thinking, even if others think it mundane. If I die somewhere along the way, and someone that I FOS'd while I was alive goes under pressure later, I hope when town re-reads that they'd see where I pointed out issues earlier in the game to help them with their case.

What I meant in regards to keyboard wars is that of posting in real-time. Like what was happening on, I think, Saturday when there were a ton of our players online at the same time and pages kept passing by as I was trying to catch up.

Why doesn't it matter? If spring is scum, they'll fail the quiz and give scum a leg up. They could also pass as scum to gain trust and bus. I'm not sure how I feel on spring because there's been some questionable actions from their direction. I'm not ruling out that they could be overwhelmed from being chainleader, but it is curious by any means.

What do you think is questionable?

I didn't like how you just threw the chain at ABR amidst all of the back and forth on Saturday. I know we have a majority of town players to rely on, but you just seemed to reward him for his bullying and distraction and that's not optimal play to me. You fed into that distraction with the whole "ABR softclaimed" thing. The only reason I'd see you succumbing to that (when you had a whole quiz team of people to pass the chain to) is because he's your buddy and you'd be worried that he didn't get the chain further down the line. His lack of noise again is just adding to that for me.

And now, with you outing your neighborhood, when we've already had one reveal today really makes no sense unless you really want folks to put PB at the bottom of the chain. I really need to read him in ISO because I'm still rather null on his slot, but you aren't making moves that make sense as town for me. It concerns me because what if whatever random roll that Maria used gave chain leader to scum and now you're orchestrating not only failing the quiz (by putting yourself on it) but also orchestrating the NK because you'll be part of the chain leader vote on the quiz team.

My concerns will be addressed tonight once we get on the quiz team and see what happens. So I'm looking forward to being insanely right or insanely wrong.

[Albert B. Rampage]

springlullaby
^Logical player who is fairly astute, but also a relic of an era which has since passed; this dissonance might be exploitable, but she might be able to build synergy with other relics of the era (i.e. Pine), so take caution.

Direct quote from scum pt lol. Spring I love you but people don't see the greatness you see in your scumhunting lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with SB, I think PB is town...please don't lynch PB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

I agree with farside, raya needs to pass to beeboy who passes to PB.

If raya pass to cakez they are scum together.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You see how now I'm becoming a viable option to be left behind during D1? I called this way back when I scumread Raya when everyone was townreading him. I'm happy with this gamestate 'cause I'm not really motivated, but my reads are clearly on point.

We got your back!

[Starbuck]

Actually he didn't deny it - he danced around the idea of denying it but never voted, and I think that looks worse

+1 . I was about to go back and look for his vote, thank you.

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

+1

When is it appropriate for town power roles to claim to avoid being lynched?

Closer to the bottom of the chain. It's way too early for a claim.

I'm honestly not super happy with the pool that's left. Beeboy obviously doesn't flip scum but they should be here for that reason. I don't want to see PB or SirCakez lynched. I actually think the Unwnd vs TSE has high potential to be TvS though and I think we're most likely to hit scum between them and I think Beeboy or PB should choose based on what majority have asked for. Then SirCakez who I town read can choose between Beeboy and PB deciding the lynch.

I was thinking something like this:

Raya > SirCakez > PB/Beeboy > PB/Beeboy > TSE/Unwnd

Cakez needs to be in the bottom two with Unwnd. I think my beef with TSE is playstyle and am willing to trust those I read as town reading him as town. At this point, you should really pass to TSE or I should have passed to TSE to prevent this, but safeguarding the quiz team was more important.

[Raya36]

Starbuck
What are your thoughts on my proposed chain order and who would you like to see in the bottom two?

ABR
Who do you want the bottom two to be?

[Starbuck]

^^^ I was getting to that. See above.

[Raya36]

Oh nice. I like how that didn't let me pedit


ABR: Who do you want to be bottom two between TSE, Unwnd, and Cakez?

[Raya36]

Cakez needs to be in the bottom two with Unwnd. I think my beef with TSE is playstyle and am willing to trust those I read as town reading him as town. At this point, you should really pass to TSE or I should have passed to TSE to prevent this, but safeguarding the quiz team was more important.

One of my main concerns with TSE is actually that his posting sometimes seems to be just trying to get his post count up without saying much. Like when he posted a list of definitions. I could see that coming from extremely frustrated town though. But I especially found when he was talking about a different game strange. Just mentioning it would be fine but it was several posts of detail.

[Raya36]

But it seems so far that most people want Cakez and Unwnd as the bottom two and I am starting to doubt my TSE scumread so I'm not as convinced TSE has to be in the bottom two anymore. There isn't really a point anymore because there wouldn't even be a debate since most are townreading TSE now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh nice. I like how that didn't let me pedit


ABR: Who do you want to be bottom two between TSE, Unwnd, and Cakez?

Cakez and unwnd

[Raya36]

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

I agree with farside, raya needs to pass to beeboy who passes to PB.

If raya pass to cakez they are scum together.

If I pass to beeboy I think he passes it to TSE then TSE passes to PB to make the decision.

I think that would be idea now

[Raya36]

ideal*

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fine

[Raya36]

ok so the new proposed order is:

Raya > Beeboy > TSE > PB > Unwnd/SirCakez

Is everyone ok with this?

[Starbuck]

Now, I'm concerned with ABR agreeing with me. So I don't know anymore.

Farside, help.

[farside22]

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

I agree with farside, raya needs to pass to beeboy who passes to PB.

If raya pass to cakez they are scum together.

Now, I'm concerned with ABR agreeing with me. So I don't know anymore.

Farside, help.

I feel a lot of WIFOM. I wish I was a drinker.
I use the image for Abr post because I think of Darth Vadar who would kill even his own men to get what he wants. But I could be completely off with Cakez.
I mean I could go through Abr's complete iso and more then likely I doubt I would see him say he see's Cake as scum. So I'm taking everything Abr says with a lot grains of salt.

[beeboy]

Wait why am I being passed to next now?
Is it cause you guys all want Cakez dead?

[Raya36]

The majority want Cakez and Unwnd to be bottom two right now. If I pass it to you I know you'll want to pass it to TSE and if TSE follows the plan then PB will be the one deciding who is lynched. That will give us more info than having you decide while still having a general townread decide the lynch

[springlullaby]

I didn't like how you just threw the chain at ABR amidst all of the back and forth on Saturday. I know we have a majority of town players to rely on, but you just seemed to reward him for his bullying and distraction and that's not optimal play to me. You fed into that distraction with the whole "ABR softclaimed" thing. The only reason I'd see you succumbing to that (when you had a whole quiz team of people to pass the chain to) is because he's your buddy and you'd be worried that he didn't get the chain further down the line. His lack of noise again is just adding to that for me.

And now, with you outing your neighborhood, when we've already had one reveal today really makes no sense unless you really want folks to put PB at the bottom of the chain. I really need to read him in ISO because I'm still rather null on his slot, but you aren't making moves that make sense as town for me. It concerns me because what if whatever random roll that Maria used gave chain leader to scum and now you're orchestrating not only failing the quiz (by putting yourself on it) but also orchestrating the NK because you'll be part of the chain leader vote on the quiz team.

My concerns will be addressed tonight once we get on the quiz team and see what happens. So I'm looking forward to being insanely right or insanely wrong.

Starbuck, this looks a bit like pre-preemptively criticizing me for a failed quiz and setting a mislynch.
I'm town, I did my best.

I tossed ABR the chain because I really thought he was breadcrumbing something with his Marie-Antoinette stuff for a moment there, he confirmed he was not: hence he is scum.
And honestly, I kinda enjoyed the fuck you, now what of it. You think of it as succumbing, in my mind it was more like "here bitch, let's see what you are made of".

Also, look at him fanning for more fire on the sideline: you think he is town?


I think it's starting to be disingenuous of you to be setting me up as potential mislynch if the quiz fail: you have approved of the quiz team without voicing any of those concerns. Don't you agree?

[springlullaby]

ok so the new proposed order is:

Raya > Beeboy > TSE > PB > Unwnd/SirCakez

Is everyone ok with this?

Raya, who do you think is most likely scum in the remaining pool?