In post 67, Elena Fisher wrote:Ah, so you've heard of my legendary neighborhood powers. You can now see my motivations.
what is your current read of georgebailey? i know you've said a few times you do not wish to lynch his slot today due to the neighbourhood, but you have not given a read either which is strange since your stated purpose for receiving that card-egg was to do so. i think it was pretty towny of you to ask for one of the neighbour eggs, as it is the same approach i would have taken with slight preference for the lucifer egg (which i would have reflavoured as monstrous cetacean of the clouds, moby dick both due to my fondness for the melville novel as well as how fitting it is if conflated with the white whale from re: zero which also flies, since that whale creates a mist of mental contamination [comparable to being in a neighbourhood with me] as well as a mist of elimination [the ability to lock the neighbourhood and not make it public] and one could easily mistake it for a god) because eliminating the neighbourhood has no benefit to town and mafia can be more easily pressured into releasing the pt to prevent being lynched than they can be stopped from locking the thread for mysterious reasons. i know you said you want to make the most use out of the neighbourhood, but if you think that you are both town the best time to lock and release the neighbourhood is the end of night one, as far as i can tell. i guess that last sentence is more useful if directed to georgebailey.
In post 77, Hoctac wrote:so Elena and Dunny are unaligned, and Titus and DocFanta are unaligned.
this was a joke post, but i do think there is a lot of information to be gained in terms of likely/unlikely to be aligned from the egg distribution. i think it is rather unlikely that elena fisher and georgebailey are scum together since there's very little strategic benefit to mafia sharing a neighbourhood. they are also the only two eggs that are guaranteed to be gods, but i don't think that's an angle mafia would mind cutting themselves off from. if we work from the list of throws georgebailey compiled:
In post 348, GeorgeBailey wrote:Dunnstral threw to Elena Fisher
- elena fisher's proactivity in asking for this egg was pretty towny, so there's pretty obvious town motivation for the throw. scum would probably have the same evaluation of the situation and make the same throw, and since elena fisher did not reciprocate (for the kinda weird but probably nai reason of sharing a neighbourhood with dunnstral would be boring) and there is some utility to a neighbourhood for scum so it probably isn't enough to rule them out as partners.
Pigman threw to Dunnstral
- this one is highly desirable so it is always going to be plus partner equity but pigman's reasoning seemed pretty sound. if pigman is scum it is pretty likely that dunnstral is as well. if dunnstral is town then it's pretty likely pigman is as well. the inverses do not apply.
Titus threw to DoctorPepper
- titus's reasoning here (i want someone i am familiar with to have my card) only really makes sense to me if she was angling to be neighbourized, which feels very off to me. like scum would have more reason to want this.
Elena Fisher threw to clidd (GB)
- i do not think scum!elena fisher would throw to her partner here. why clidd though?
clidd (GB) threw to Hoctac
- eh. i think town wants this one in town's hands but i'm not sure the mafia would care.
DoctorPepper threw to Chemist
- this one feels inherently scummy to me since it was based on hoping to get lucky rather than a strong scumread but like doctorpepper said he was running out of options.
Hoctac aggressively threw to Elements
- hoctac stated a veiled townread of pigman so he threw to elements. checks out.
Elements threw to pigman
- it is hard to glean anything from this one as it was the only option left. it is only useful for town and that usefulness doesn't seem nearly enough for it to be something mafia would attempt to deny town, so elements not throwing it earlier also doesn't give us much information.
do you share clidd's read of elena fisher?
In post 197, clidd wrote:Based on other opinions to build my own, I can learn other angles that I was not able to observe, something that is different from a blind sheep, for example.
pigman's interaction with this and surrounding posts is pretty weird to me. simply having more information to base your reads in is good, especially since that additional information to base one's reads on also gives additional information on the person providing the information.
In post 200, Pigman wrote: In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:
Second this, as in what are people actually talking about? Scapegoat for what? Who called him scum?
clidd is working his way up to a scumread on me but he's trying to figure out if there will be support for it first.
titus was the first to describe you as a scapegoat, in response to clidd asking what her read of you was. clidd then asked elements if he agreed with titus's read.
In post 238, Pigman wrote:I mentioned this earlier but I was thinking taking daytslk away from mafia would be good because then they'd have to figure out a way to communicate with each other in front of us which would make it easier to connect them later.
this doesn't really make sense to me (as why wouldn't scum just not do this? while it is beneficial for them to be able to communicate it isn't necessary as there isn't anything they need to coordinate during the day.) but it also doesn't feel scummy to me. like why would scum think they would need to communicate with eachother in the thread if they lost their daytalk. it's possible this is a complicated ploy but not making sense isn't really a tried and true way to be townread.
In post 262, DoctorPepper wrote:Forgive my ignorance but Hoctac, isn't the color coding just the color of the Card Egg thrown to you?
I mean Chemist is green because my card egg was green
very strong sense of dejavu here, so much so that it feels calculated to me. like doctorpepper rerecorded the sequence that culminated with this post:
In post 49, DoctorPepper wrote: In post 44, Datisi wrote:VOTE: doctorpepper
The scum being in those positions thing was obviously a joke. Also don't rolefish kids.
Yeah I'll choose to take it seriously.
from chain of command in which hectic was making a similarly obvious joke about the mod putting scum in certain positions (while impersonating me) and doctorpepper took it at face value. in that game hectic was scum and doctorpepper was town and it feels like doctorpepper is trying to reuse that same dynamic to indicate that the alignments are the same because it does not seem reasonable to me that someone familiar with hoctac (as indicated by 268) would think this was a necessary clarification. it is possible that this was simply the result of doctorpepper applying the same thought process he had previously to this situation, or that doctorpepper believes this is something hoctac only does as scum, but neither or those make as much sense to me.
i don't see the purpose of this other than to help the mafia make an optimal nightkill. all of the role information is public and mafia chooses which town benefit to apply if multiple conditions are met.
In post 178, Elements wrote:VOTE: titus because i can't remember anything you've said so far and you're at the bottom
what did you find towny between these?
In post 348, GeorgeBailey wrote:Anyways, i'm compiling this because i'm pretty sure scum wants to throw to their teammate to make sure they get some sort of confirmable role. Scum is obviously not going to throw to each other, but look back at the patterns might help later.
all of the roles are confirmed and no two people threw to eachother, but i do think scum would be somewhat likely to try to secure beneficial roles and i agree that analyzing this information is worthwhile. thankyou for compiling it.
my reads at this time look something like:
elena fisher, hoctac
dunnstral, elements, georgebailey, pigman
doctorpepper, titus
but i'm not sure how much sense a potential {doctorpepper, titus} team makes because of titus's egg throw.
