Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

sorry

maybe you were a better lynch than Nauci anyway.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 2.3a

Blair (Freddie) (2)

- Nauci, gibus,

Dunnstral (2)

- BBmolla (Osuka), Aloratom (Votato)

Gibus (3)

- Tuxedo Mask, Blair (Freddie), Battle Mage (Formerfish)

BBmolla (Osuka) (2)

- Dunnstral (Lilith2013),

Not Voting (0) -

With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-02 08:15:00)

[Battle Mage]

I love that me and Dunnstral, as SE players, get double votes, whilst complete newbies like BBmolla and Aloratom have to share 1 vote between them

Votecount 2.3a

Blair (Freddie) (2)

- Nauci, gibus,

Nauci (1)

- Battle Mage (Formerfish)

Dunnstral (1)

- BBmolla (Osuka), Aloratom (Votato)

Gibus (3)

- Tuxedo Mask, Blair (Freddie), Battle Mage,

BBmolla (Osuka) (2)

- Dunnstral (Lilith2013),

Not Voting (0) -

With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-02 08:15:00)

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I never claimed to be right. I meant to delete it when I didn't move the ()

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Tuxedo
If I'm not wrong, you said I had a scummy start but pinged town as the game progressed.
Where is the scumread coming from?

Well, I didn't like how you started day 1, and my town read of you at the end of day 1 was me also saying that the improvement in your play felt weird. As for day 2, I feel more and more with the emotions and hurt feelings from Fish, Votato, and Freddie that it was TvTvT (Osuka's contributions and emotions still feel inauthentic though) and I feel suspicious of the players who sat back while that situation grew out of control. Since that whole thing is very advantageous to scum. Also, you and Nacui flailing over the last pages didn't look great.

So I feel good about this vote.

Also, Dunnstral pointing out the Osuka slot seemed pretty clearly in response to me saying they'd be my top pick. So I town read that, and have a weird ping against those who FOS'd it. But yeah, Dunnstral you should join the Gibus wagon instead.

[Battle Mage]

@Tuxedo
If I'm not wrong, you said I had a scummy start but pinged town as the game progressed.
Where is the scumread coming from?

Well, I didn't like how you started day 1, and my town read of you at the end of day 1 was me also saying that the improvement in your play felt weird. As for day 2, I feel more and more with the emotions and hurt feelings from Fish, Votato, and Freddie that it was TvTvT (Osuka's contributions and emotions still feel inauthentic though) and I feel suspicious of the players who sat back while that situation grew out of control. Since that whole thing is very advantageous to scum. Also, you and Nacui flailing over the last pages didn't look great.

So I feel good about this vote.

Also, Dunnstral pointing out the Osuka slot seemed pretty clearly in response to me saying they'd be my top pick. So I town read that, and have a weird ping against those who FOS'd it. But yeah, Dunnstral you should join the Gibus wagon instead.

A post full of wisdom.

[Tuxedo Mask]

A post full of wisdom.

I'm already in Blair's deep pockets with Nauci, I'm sorry.

[Battle Mage]

A post full of wisdom.

I'm already in Blair's deep pockets with Nauci, I'm sorry.

I still love you...

[BBmolla]

With this little time left, maybe less fluff posting!

BBM I think Dunn had some questions for you

If you're referring to his why's I already answered them, he just didn't read my posts

[BBmolla]

Dude honestly it's probably just Dunnstral/Tuxedo, Tuxedo's posts are nonsense

[Battle Mage]

Dude honestly it's probably just Dunnstral/Tuxedo, Tuxedo's posts are nonsense

how about a deal that if Gibus flips town, we'll do one of those tomorrow?

[BBmolla]

You're that confident my dude

[Battle Mage]

You're that confident my dude

I'm always confident, seldom right.

But that luck's gotta change sometime right?

[Aloratom]

I gave reasons, look a few posts back.

You gave reasons to push there, not to scum read. Little late in the day to start that.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: bbmolla

This is the osuka slot if you'd like.

In my skimming catch-up of last night's posts, this one caught my eye. I greatly dislike it. It came after Blair had taken Dunnstral to L-2 and then backed off, so Dunnstral at that point was not only aware that Blair was willing to vote him, he was also aware that I was willing to vote him and that Nauci was willing to vote him. Rather than make an argument or reiterate an argument for voting BBmola/osuka, he just slides in there that this is the osuka slot as if that should be enough to garner votes for BBmola. To me it does something different -- I think he's trying to divert votes away from Dunnstral. If he wanted us to vote for BBmola he would have given reasons therefor.

So you're saying Dunnstral didn't want to be lynched, and is therefore scum? come on man, even I'd be voting for BBMola rather than myself!

You'd be voting a viable lynch rather than a vanity wagon though, wouldn't you?

[Aloratom]

I don't see the gibus scum read. I'd really need to be convinced to go there.

[Blair]

Are quote mining and blatant misrepresentation scummy to you?

[Blair]

Read 1898 and then read 1918.

[Blair]

Guys, if we're going to do this right we need to leave enough time for a claim before a hammer.

We have 12 hours until deadline.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: gibus

L-1

[Nauci]

I mean, at the time of the claim, I didn't know what to make of it other than ??????

But there were SO many posts after that which were just so implausible. Like at some point, the lack of necessity to claim was pointed out to her, yet she kept making posts over and over as if she was imminently dead. I have a harder time buying her explanation about scum not knowing who town are, that she could possibly have THAT incorrect an understanding of the game mechanics, to explain her scummy, LAMIST posts as if she was 100% going to be night killed. Mostly though, I view with just... confusion and disbelief, and not super alignment indicative. It wasn't until Blair's behavior that I truly scumread the slot. I do think that it has a LOT of associatives information that would make it an informative flip.

What about you? Do you agree with your predecessor?

Freddie feels like a soft easy mislynch to be pushing, but I think Nauci kinda missed the boat and is now desperately trying to resuscitate some interest in it. Trying to justify as an "informative flip" now to cover her back for when he flips town?

Still think Nauci is scum, but would happily lynch Gibus over Blair.

This is a bullshit accusation; it's both a legitimate motive to think that high information lynches are good, and something I've been talking about since the end of day 1 (1006, 1383, 1621).

On top of that, you're talking about the slot as if Freddie is still around and is an easy lynch, when in fact, Blair is now in that slot, AND not a lot of people were scumreading her, and all of the people who were strongly scumreading Freddie have replaced out.

The number of associations that the flip would provide info for has always been only a small factor in why I had the slot in my lynch pool. On top of that, I scum read some of Freddie's posts, such as the way she said that her entire reason for voting brass was because she was sheeping me and then reiterated that on day 2. Newbies aren't aware of site meta where we don't really put that much scrutiny on the people who mislynched, and are prone to trying really hard to distance themselves from why they voted for a town flip. The posts talking as if she was imminently going to be flipped were also scummy to me. I'm not sure how much I buy the theories of scumslips in some of her other posts, and I thought that her mistaken claim moment was NAI and have said so multiple times.

The reason I have switched to pushing there is because of my read on Blair's activity, which I have clearly explained in my case. It's a massive misrepresentation to say that I am just trying to justify that as a an "informative flip." Either you're purposely leaving out the bulk of my content, or you decided to tunnel me early on and are are just conf-biased to all hell.

[Nauci]

Blair's replace in post sucks, that slot is probably scum

Dunn/Blair gg

I'm still reading I'mon page 20

Why did you think her replace-in post sucked to the point of being scummy?

Dude honestly it's probably just Dunnstral/Tuxedo, Tuxedo's posts are nonsense

Which of Tuxedo's posts do you think are nonsense?

[Nauci]

Also, you and Nacui flailing over the last pages didn't look great.

What do you mean by flailing here?

[Nauci]

Also, Dunnstral pointing out the Osuka slot seemed pretty clearly in response to me saying they'd be my top pick. So I town read that, and have a weird ping against those who FOS'd it. But yeah, Dunnstral you should join the Gibus wagon instead.

I can see this, I guess. I was previously reading it as an OMGUS thing but took another look at that page and this makes more sense.

[gibus]

Should I claim?