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[Albert B. Rampage]

You mean direct quote from the scum pt that lost to town me?

I have trouble inferring town intention from your quote beside discrediting me here ABR.

Town intention aka being nice to you? Oh please, there are more subtle ways to fish for compliments, Spring. Since you're town we should work together.

[springlullaby]

Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

Why not approving my own scum team makes me scummy?

Because you said in your post that town has no reason not to approve. So you should have immediately voted to approve it.

You had a vote and you didn't use it.

I didn't know I could approve my own team.
When it was pointed out to me, I didn't see a point to it.

Anyway, it's more useful to see who would approve of the team, since myself nominating it implies that I approve of my own team. Don't you agree?

[springlullaby]

You mean direct quote from the scum pt that lost to town me?

I have trouble inferring town intention from your quote beside discrediting me here ABR.

Town intention aka being nice to you? Oh please, there are more subtle ways to fish for compliments, Spring. Since you're town we should work together.

No, town intention aka making a useful remark. What's your status on Starbuck atm?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Starbuck is scum, dunstral is scum, one of cakez/unwnd scum
Spring is town, beeboy town, tse not sure

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, town intention aka making a useful remark.

Sure, you make useful remarks all the time (useful to scum).

[Albert B. Rampage]

whats everyones take on farside and midway?

[Starbuck]

Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

Why not approving my own scum team makes me scummy?

Because you said in your post that town has no reason not to approve. So you should have immediately voted to approve it.

You had a vote and you didn't use it.

I didn't know I could approve my own team.
When it was pointed out to me, I didn't see a point to it.

Anyway, it's more useful to see who would approve of the team, since myself nominating it implies that I approve of my own team. Don't you agree?

You just needed to look at any of the vote counts from the mod to see that you had a vote.

Chain Order 1.4

springlullaby

(5)

- springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath

Chainless:

(8)

- SirCakez, Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, , beeboy

Quiz Team 1.4

Proposed Team

(5)

-

Springlullaby, farside, Starbuck, Raya36, Dunnstral

Approve

(6)

- Farside22, beeboy, midwaybear, Starbuck, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, L-1

Decline

(4)

- Albert B. Rampage, TrueSoulEnergy, NDmath, unwnd,

Not voting:

(3)

- SirCakez, Raya36, springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-09 23:03:21)

[Albert B. Rampage]

I dont follow the logic starbuck is putting forward just my 2c. Why is this a reason to attack spring. Whatever starbuck gonna sabotage the quiz tonight.

[farside22]

whats everyones take on farside and midway?

Im sorry did you actually explain why you were okay woth midway wanting to defy your request and you didn't react negatively towards him when he suggested starbuck?

*looks*

Nope.

You hoping it gets ignore while you pretend to do anything.
Sorry chatlie not happening while im around.

[unwnd]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

[Starbuck]

I'm curious why if spring said all town had no reason not to approve why spring didn't approve if they are town. Why wouldn't you want to guarantee your own quiz team?

[farside22]

Abr was fine with mid giving starbuck the chain. We should discuss why he was ok with that while he was scum readin SB!!

[farside22]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

[farside22]

^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

-----

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

Raya towniest
Starbuck scummiest

Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
Beeboy
Unwnd

heres a good group:
Farside
Lully
Me
Cakez
Beeboy

Boom.

Alright guys, I'm in charge of the chain now. Give me 24h to make my decision and I will pass it to the towniest players while spring lets beeboy pick a better quiz team.

Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

So I like this plan. Who agrees?

okay so far we have: me, farside, PB, cakez. Who else agrees to this motion?

VOTE: midway

You're safe buddy. All yours. Keep dunstrall downchain he's my biggest scumread close to Starbuck.

All the above shows abr reads and commenylts so Why The Fuck did he give the chain to Mid?
*drops mic*

[unwnd]

Starbuck I read your post and all I have to say is you know yourself well and that I read our confrontation as honest. I'm not fully convinced about you but I do know this at least. However..

This game is filled with players who know themselves. Who have experience and have ways of leaning on that experience to get them through tough times. I say this for both town/scum. I've read a bit into the relationships at display here and it seems a lot of the dissent comes from people not acting in ways that they are comfortable with. All I know from what ABR is said that Spring is acting like scum for (reasons related to his experience with her). I've sat here and townread ABR for his convictions but I've also seen that people don't like ABR and think he's faking it. Spring alone seems to be attuned to something I wouldn't be aware as I've never played with him.

And this is just something I noticed. When I see myself and I see SirCakez at the bottom two I feel like either the players who are familiar with each other are squabbling and causing a ton of noise for scum to hide in or they're trying to gain an assertive position where all they have to do is oust those who aren't in their familiar circles.

[SirCakez]

The way ABR spent the early game hanging back and only got passionate about the quiz team bothered me. There is scum motivation in trying to get the team rejected.
I SR TSE because of his defensiveness, nonsensical pushes and his attempts to get people pushing him killed

You do realize that Abr asked mid not to pass to certain players, then doesn't get pissy at mid for defieying his request and when i called him out he called me scum.....or did you ignore all that for reasons??
And you know i don't expect vague. What post was defensive? What was nonsensical? What do you mean by get people pushing him?

ugh I'll pull quotes.

SirCakez has been doing this "falling into the rabbit hole" thing about me very explicitly so everyone can see his progression on me so it makes sense, that's clearly scum motivated.

So I was right at the begining

what does this even mean?

The way ABR spent the early game hanging back and only got passionate about the quiz team bothered me. There is scum motivation in trying to get the team rejected.
I SR TSE because of his defensiveness, nonsensical pushes and his attempts to get people pushing him killed

Yet you denied the quiz. Why?

I never actually denied it, like Dunn said. Denying and giving scum advantage would be dumb. I wanted a new team to be proposed so I could vote to accept that but it never actually happened and nobody told me if it was possible.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

[SirCakez]

crap like 978 just keeps sinking my PB read
not because he's pushing me but because it makes literally no sense

[SirCakez]

like I wouldn't be surprised if PB has a scum buddy who still hasn't gotten the chain and that's why he's suddenly trying to bury me again
I can't understand this switch otherwise

[SirCakez]

getting pissed off with this game

[unwnd]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

I have been sitting here wondering why the chain suddenly started to move at a breakneck speed once ABR received it. I had a kneejerk reaction denying the quiz because it seemed like the reasons to passing the chain was instilled by this hurry up! mentality and nobody had to really justify their choices. I asked Dunn about it and while he did answer, it left me wanting more.

I was writing up a small paragraph about my feeling of each individual pass but ultimately I think the reason for the passes were already decided in a sense. Once ABR outed that the quiz people are lynch immune others just shrugged their shoulders and were throwing the chain from anyone not in the quiz. I think it will be very telling based on these quiz votes and also the outcome of the quiz in this regard. In fact I'd say that outcome is much more important than the way the chain has been tossed.

[unwnd]

Convincing myself my ABR read was likely shortsighted and that things seem to be 'according to plan' that it is uncanny

[SirCakez]

I'm apparently some fucking consensus scumread now and no one other than Starbuck (who is scum mad I pushed her) has presented any serious reasoning why. Someone just proposed unwnd/myself as the bottom two and everyone went like "hurr durr let's do that". I'd put players like farside, Dunn, ABR, PB in this pool.

But it seems so far that most people want Cakez and Unwnd as the bottom two and I am starting to doubt my TSE scumread so I'm not as convinced TSE has to be in the bottom two anymore. There isn't really a point anymore because there wouldn't even be a debate since most are townreading TSE now.

who is even TRing TSE?

[SirCakez]

there's been this mindset of "the game believes this, the game believes that" etc created when it's really just 4 or 5 loud players who are pushing it.

[unwnd]

Yeah im with Cakez on this one you guys fucked up lol