Micro 941 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 2.1

Not Voting (5): Tuxedo Mask(0), PenguinPower(0), Kilgamayan(0), Hoctac(0), Night 3 Roses(0)

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-11 13:47:47)

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[Kilgamayan]

Overnight thoughts. Can't wait for one or more of these people to have died and made me look stupid with their flips!

The enomis train

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Kilgamayan

- Well, I know I'm town.

Tuxedo Mask

- Bluh. Had previously expression suspicion of enomis in 553, but (a) it seems to come about largely as a result of PoE (the post also lists Holden, N3R, Hoctac, Clidd, and myself in the Town section), and (b) it comes right alongside a suspicion of ceejay. (This is going to get PbP-ish, but I promise it's going somewhere.) Changes vote to ceejay in 558, but proceeds to question me in 562 about why I don't like ceejay and enomis, as well as I why I dislike ceejay more at the time, and then also questions enomis in 576 about "why CJ over Hoctac", despite having his own vote on ceejay at the time. The kicker than comes in 730, with a statement about thinking Hoctac and Koba are down while switching his vote to enomis on the grounds that ceejay may be getting replaced. The problem with all this? Between 553 and 730, Tuxedo Mask has town reads on everyone but ceejay and enomis and is willing to vote either of them, but does not appear to ever make an effort to reconcile these with the fact that ceejay and enomis actively dislike each other (and have actively disliked each other for a while, including enomis voting for ceejay). I feel like Town Tuxedo would want to stop and rethink given he is town reading six players and scum reading two players in a two-scum game while those two scumreads were actively hostile toward each other and had been hostile toward each other for a while. I also feel like (a) questioning people over why they would prefer to vote ceejay over other people while he himself is voting ceejay, and (b) changing his vote from ceejay to a person voting ceejay that ceejay thinks is scum means Tuxedo doesn't really care that much about the implications of his scumreads.

(Also worth noting that Tuxedo Mask leaves his vote on enomis even after ceejay starts posting again, which makes it clear that ceejay is not getting a replacement, which eliminates the reason for switching to enomis in 730. Koba had just voted ceejay in 778 as well before ceejay started posting again, so a ceejay lynch was definitely viable at that point.)

ceejayvinoya

- Vote seems reasonable to me; even with his limited post volume, ceejay had been displeased with and poking at enomis for most of the day. Perfectly logical vote for a Town ceejay.

HoldenGolden

- Noooooot great. 568 mentions a preference to have enomis hammer the day's lynch "for reasons I'm about to post", but those reasons are never actually posted, and his 573 reread of enomis's ISO results in concluding that it "isn't nearly as bad as I thought I saw". He briefly engages with enomis about the hammering discussion/issue in 635, but the wording doesn't seem to imply "I think you are scummy for thinking this way", and then Holden doesn't mention enomis again until the vote despite having plenty of time to engage in the PP/Koba argument.

DkKoba

- I'm feeling pretty good about TownKoba given ScumKoba would have known enomis was town and therefore could have very safely and easily let PP hammer enomis instead as PP said he would do. Jumping in to hammer a possible SuperSaint when there was stated intent to hammer from elsewhere just seems so needlessly risky for little-to-no benefit.

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tl;dr

ceejay's vote is null at worst

,

Koba's vote looks town

, Tuxedo's

and Holden's

votes look scummy. VOTE: Tuxedo Mask because I think his vote is somewhat worse than Holden's,

but they're both pretty bad and I wouldn't be sad to see Holden get lynched instead

.

(None of this is to say ceejay is definitely town, of course.)

Wow, didn't expect the night to take out THAT much of the enomis lynch. Makes me feel better about my Tuxedo vote, though!

[PenguinPower]

Day 2 Mylos are fun.

[PenguinPower]

I'm a little weirded out by the fact that you had that post ready to go 3 minutes into D2 ngl.

[Kilgamayan]

I wrote it up overnight and hit refresh at a time when the thread was in the process of getting updated. :shrug:

[Hoctac]

It's lylo and scum win if you and the person you're voting are town, Kilga. Maybe wait a little?

[Kilgamayan]

UNVOTE: Tuxedo Mask

[Kilgamayan]

It's not necessarily LYLO because of role shenanigans but I'm willing to pump the brakes, sure.

[Hoctac]

Oh, that's true.

So, ceejay shot Holden, and scum killed Dk? Dk almost certainly must've shot Penpow.

[Hoctac]

How do you read DkKoba, ceejay?

Probably town

[Hoctac]

Oh, or scum killed Holden while self-protecting. And then ceejay and Dk are causalties from town shooting each other.

I think it's beneficial to claim vig or other (but don't specify) here. And then have vigs claim shots.

[Hoctac]

Night 3 Roses > Tuxedo > Penpow > Kilga would be my preffered order atm. Where do you guys want me to slot in?

[Kilgamayan]

I think the most likely scenario is that scum killed Koba and ceejay shot Holden. ceejay would have been a weird scum kill because a fair amount of the player base had at least mild suspicions of him, and Holden would have been a weird scum kill because his approach to the enomis lynch probably made him a tempting mislynch candidate. I admit I may be biased by my train analysis, though.

(To be clear, my preferred vote is still Tuxedo regardless of any current analysis of how last night went down.)

I am up for a massclaim of vig versus unspecified nonvig; it may give scum more info with which to work Night 2, but if there actually is a Night 2 it will be because scum was lynched today, so I don't mind that so much.

Fake Edit: I would prefer Tuxedo claim first given that's where my hypothetical vote is going, but I'll need some time to think about everyone else. Gotta get back to work for a couple more hours.

[Kilgamayan]

(In quickly thinking about it, that "most likely scenario" assumed ceejay was a regular vig. If ceejay was a blank vig then there's any number of possibilities at this juncture. OKAY ACTUALLY DOING WORK NOW BBL)

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Kilga just because people are voting with me, I still want to know why they're voting the way they are. Also, CJ didn't come back till near the end of the deadline, there wasn't exactly the time to completely move the Enomis wagon over at that time. I thought Enomis and CJ were scum for similar reasons, I didn't think they were scum together. I don't like doing associative reads till after there have been flips. But yes, I've had too many town reads this whole game, It's been something I can't shake.

I think Penguin still looks town for their push on Koba, I don't see scum coming in and trying to hard push a difficult player and wagon when they join in. It seems very town motivated. As for the rest, I'd have to reread.

I'm ready to claim if people think that's the best option.

[PenguinPower]

if there actually is a Night 2 it will be because scum was lynched today

I mean - we don't have compulsory lynches.

[Iconeum]

don't vote ffs

i'll be here tomorrow

[Iconeum]

and if anyone's gonna be quicklynched then at least lynch hoctac

[Night 3 Roses]

quoting ico for iso

don't vote ffs

i'll be here tomorrow

and if anyone's gonna be quicklynched then at least lynch hoctac

i'll (re)read this once i'm not braindead (i.e. tomorrow)

fine with vig/nonvig massclaim unless we actually plan on no-lynching today, i think it does more harm than good in that case

aight cheers

-D

[Hoctac]

Claim, Ico!

[Hoctac]

Oh. Claim, Datisi!

[Night 3 Roses]

(1) we haven't agreed if we're no-lynching yet, nobody claims anything until we sort that out
(2) who put you in charge of deciding the order?

-D

[Hectic]

No one. I just think you're scum and want you to claim first

There's no reason to ever no-lynch here imo. Pretty sure scum win that 90% of the time.

[Hoctac]

wHoOpS

how embarrassing

[PenguinPower]

Glad that happened.

Why is no lynch bad and grants upwards of 90% chance for scum to win? Walk me through that.