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[unwnd]

Wiho knows what will happen if i change your vote? Didn't you say you fail it regardless if you vote yes/no beeboy?

[Raya36]

Right. I agree that it's very powerful for scum. But it's also such an anti-town role. I'll trust you again on this for now though since you say it makes sense compared to your role.

I appreciate your trust, I am doing my best to not let you down.

Better not let me down

[beeboy]

I don't think two roles exist in tandem to clear the other. Id rather be townread on my merit of being townie over a role i happened to get

I am just arguing your role is town since that's the counter argument people are giving.
I thought you were townier then cakez for coming in and defending yourself. I then proceeded to attack arguments against you.

Now i am wondering why your role counter acts mine but you didn't try and signal it at all?
I am not scum reading you for your role to be clear or town reading it, I am trying to understand your thought process.

I'll argue roles to push an idea I otherwise have but I don't care our roles make sense together, I want to know why you approached the day the way you did.

[beeboy]

Wiho knows what will happen if i change your vote? Didn't you say you fail it regardless if you vote yes/no beeboy?

I said that 2 pages ago, not my original post about my role.
And even if I didn't I find it weird you don't think about how your role interacts with claims throughout the game idk.

[midwaybear]

I've scumread midway from the start as well

i didn't have any interactions at the start though with your current scumreads

[unwnd]

Cause i legit don't think they interact the way you want them to, i feel I've been saying this whole game uh, referring back to myself? Something along the lines kf treating you like a claimed miller.

Listen I've got my own theories on what it all means do you wanna hear it

[midwaybear]

sure, you might as well say everything now

[Pink Ball]

Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

Train of thoughts. Note the last post was 10 minutes later.

So you see what I'm saying!

[Raya36]

I've scumread midway from the start as well

i didn't have any interactions at the start though with your current scumreads

Not sure I know what you mean by this or what the connection is

[beeboy]

Cause i legit don't think they interact the way you want them to, i feel I've been saying this whole game uh, referring back to myself? Something along the lines kf treating you like a claimed miller.

Listen I've got my own theories on what it all means do you wanna hear it

I mean I think you'd dive further into it and the mod confirmed that we were both wrong they do interact well together.
But like it's something I opted to check when I got full info and I feel like that's the rational thing to do. To question things and try and figure out interaction to best help the gamestate?

Idk I understand people aren't always going to act the way I believe is rationale though but still.

pedit: midway is scum i agree thank you.

[unwnd]

Ok please let me get on my computer my phone posts are awful and i impulsively keep doing them

[midwaybear]

i am not scum though. starbuck gave me nervous when I reread, so I gave it to Dunn
place me on a team with 4 hard townreads and we will pass

[springlullaby]

I think the claim is true.

Also scum reads stand with Abr/Midway and either TSE/SL

I took cakez out with his comments on TSE but he was added in there originally for his weak push on Abr.
I

You mean Abr/midway/cakez or TSE/ME/cakez ?

[beeboy]

Ok please let me get on my computer my phone posts are awful and i impulsively keep doing them

take your time. I'll stay quiet until your back

[SirCakez]

still reading dropping this

TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

Your the one I think I might be wrong on.
I know I’m right on Unwnd being scum and I’m almost certain Farside is scum.
It’s between You and Starbuck and I’m leaning towards it being you.

but WHY
you have no explanation for this other than OMGUS

TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

You're both a town read and a scum read at the same time. Scum has to decide which one they think it is if they want to put me to decide between you and unwnd.

oh ok...weird strat

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Do you Town read Unwnd from our interactions?
If so, why?
I only brought up the game to show that Town in General (FM Overall) need to play better. It was never to validate myself.
In the last thing you quoted I was asking you a question to see your reaction and if you would slip scum buddies with Unwnd. Your reaction however wasn’t alignment indicative so I couldn’t get a good determination towards it.

I don't TR unwnd from those interactions, no.
You keep doing these "tests", like the one where I said You're Right, but nothing ever seems to come of them.

(working on catching up)

Lets do it. Hurry!

Why the rush? We have over a week and once we have a plan set in place it should be fast until second last has to pick.

Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

I'm okay with this plan, but I want you and PB reversed. Most everyone feels you're universal town, we're not going to learn much if you make that last choice. Hell, you might not even choose PB. I know for me that PB is still quite on the null side for me and I'd be interested in seeing who he chooses between Unwnd and SirCakez.

On the same side, I'd like to see TSE get the chain from here because I want to see if he'd stay true to his word.

I'd be ok with this if TSE confirms he's ok with the plan and will pass it to beeboy. (And now I see in the next post he agrees to this)

I think the pass/fail of the quiz is going to prove if we have scum or not. If you're scum, you have no reason to pass the quiz. Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

I agree with this. Chances are if it fails there is at least 1 scum within the quiz group.

Yeah so you want to do Me - BeeBoy and PinkBall decides SirCakez and Unwnd?
I’m down with that.

Of course you would say this.

I actually want to call unwnd town just because I haven't seen anythign explicitly scummy from them and the way they've been pushed into this final two trap with me feels really scum-motivated

You're calling your likely competition to survive the bottom two town?

Yeah
This isn't Survivor

[SirCakez]

ok hear me out
what if this unwnd claim is town? why doesn't scum just claim VT here?
I know people think the 3rd line sounds fake but I could see a mod legitimately inserting that. I inserted stuff like that into my recent Jigsaw games while balancing.

[SirCakez]

My role pm has a line of text that states it would fail if I was town. Despite you know me being town.
So I believe the 3rd line of his role pm is real even if he is scum.

Because my role pm talks as if it was also a scum pm.

I think the claim is uhh, NAI at worst, slightly believable at best?

this kinda supports it too

[SirCakez]

I know people are gonna call me unwnd's buddy for this but whatever

[SirCakez]

VOTE: PB

this game is so foul I can't believe the game got to this state

[SirCakez]

@unwnd, @SirCakez,

do you want to play a game?

if it's russian roulette yes

[SirCakez]

Tbh it's more the way Cakez fell off the grid as he started taking more heat.
While unwnd is staying here and is in fight or flight mode.

One of them is fighting for themselves, the other decided it's best to step away.

i.e I can see an agenda from Cakez POV.

I was playing video games with my brother and then eating dinner with my family
that's bs

[SirCakez]

this game is really dumb and frustrating
i'm really pissed both of my SRs remaining in the lynch pool got given the chain despite multiple people expressing suspicions of them and now I'm stuck in a final two with someone I think is town

I'm a VT, also. Figure I should claim here.

[Pink Ball]

So you agree that if you're both town, it's better to lynch you in case we can use unwnd's role in our favour, right?

[SirCakez]

yeah

[SirCakez]

sadly because I am very into this game and feel I have a lot to say for a fresh chain day 2