Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Blair]

Reminder that once again Dunn isn't showing us the breadcrumbs.

Still trying to cobble them together?

[Blair]

Nauci and Dunnstral will be tired of Blair Math™ from our last game together but I can break down why lynching today is ideal now that we have a guaranteed 1v1 if you are actually going to try to argue that my saying so is somehow scummy.

[Blair]

(Notice how I am also the only one inviting other PRs to speak up if they have any information that can clear either of us in this 1v1 - too risky for Dunnstral to ask for the same)

[Dunnstral]

(Blair is probably scum)

This - it's the reason I tracked you

Lilith may have crumbed for what happened night 1 - I'm not sure.

[Blair]

[Blair]

About what happened with Gibus: he was pretty obviously not the jailkeeper and I didn't want to give him the opportunity to claim pr before being lynched (because that would mean he's scum and I'd need to lynch him anyway, outting my own role in the process)

This deserves attention as well.

How was it so obvious to you that Gibus was not a PR that you needed to quickhammer him before he could claim?

(Note: That's not editorializing, that is his exact defense)

[Dunnstral]

Do you disagree?

I haven't made any read on him, but I'm thinking you both are masons.

Do you disagree?

I haven't made any read on him, but I'm thinking you both are masons.

if you aren't scum that is

Because he thought other people were a mason pair early into the game - he essentially claimed vt at this point - no way town pr thinks someone else can be a mason.
I didn't want to give him a chance to fake a claim

[Dunnstral]

That's why he was "obviously vt or scum"

[Blair]

Or he's a newbie in his second game on the site who doesn't understand the (needlessly complicated) semi-open setup.

I'm not saying that's definitely true. I am saying you definitely would have considered that possibility.

[Dunnstral]

It's also why Nauci is wasting her time going through dozens of my games looking for a quick hammer

He essentially already claimed. Deadline was approaching. I made the correct play - I didn't want to get into an argument and maybe have to claim my role before I could get a result

[Dunnstral]

Or he's a newbie in his second game on the site who doesn't understand the (needlessly complicated) semi-open setup.

I'm not saying that's definitely true. I am saying you definitely would have considered that possibility.

I think it's pretty clearly laid out that masons can't exist with any other town power role - you're reaching to try to counter my points

[Blair]

Players routinely misunderstood the mutual exclusivity of role combinations in Newbies. I think you probably know that.

[Blair]

If you believed that was such a strong argument that he was basically claiming VT in post 234, then why are you lying about being afraid that you'd have to claim to get him lynched if he claimed a PR?

[Blair]

(Or course it's all a joke anyway - Dunnstral was right there when Gibus asked if he should claim. If he was that worried about it he could have let him claim and then hammered right after if he claimed a PR - nobody is buying that you were afraid you'd have to out yourself if he was allowed to claim)

[Dunnstral]

I don't usually game theory this kind of thing, but I feel like the logical route here is for TPR to claim only if they have successfully detected scum

^ This is the correct play.

If you have caught scum, you should claim. If you have cleared town, find a way to crumb it in case you're killed.

The entire premise of your claim was predicated on a lie, as well. Nauci was the only one aiming to lynch you today. I was explicitly supporting a no lynch.

Why would Town!Dunnstral claim here?

Her thoughts aren't lining up. She's throwing stuff out to try to fight against me. Read these two posts

[Blair]

Tracking isn't "caught scum." You yourself admitted I could be JK and you would unvote if I was.

Who's reaching now?

[Dunnstral]

If you believed that was such a strong argument that he was basically claiming VT in post 234, then why are you lying about being afraid that you'd have to claim to get him lynched if he claimed a PR?

It's a strong argument to me. I'm not sure how other people will react. I decided to trust my own instincts.

[Dunnstral]

Tracking isn't "caught scum." You yourself admitted I could be JK and you would unvote if I was.

Who's reaching now?

You were 95% scum with my result since your predecessor awkwardly claimed vt unprompted and said they were 'bad at creating fakeclaims' or something like that

[Dunnstral]

If he was that worried about it he could have let him claim and then hammered right after if he claimed a PR

That puts a target on my back for the scum to kill me. And maybe other people unvote him before I can hammer, etc. Not worth it. Nice to see this is what your argument has devolved into, though

[Dunnstral]

The only thing you can do is call me scum for the hammer

How about you who pushed him for all of last phase when pressure was building on yourself?

[Dunnstral]

Notice something really important, by the way:

In Dunnstral's claim, he leaves the door open for me to possibly be the Jailkeeper - even though he is now arguing that there is a 0% chance that anyone would ever believe that (wouldn't that implicitly include him?)

He was hedging his bets just in case I really was.

This post is interesting.

Blair says I'd be 'hedging my bets' in case she was the jailkeeper

But the reason I'd think she's the jailkeeper in the first place is because I tracked her to Alortom.

...! This doesn't make sense for her to think as town

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 3.02

Dunnstral (1

- Blair

Blair (1)

- Dunnstral

Not Voting (6) -

Nauci, Aloratom (Votato) Tuxedo Mask, Battle Mage (Formerfish), Dunnstral (Lilith2013), Blair (Freddietheladie)

With 6 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-11 08:15:00)

[Blair]

I don't remember there being pressure on me. One, maybe two people angled suspicion toward me?

I wanted him to claim at L-1. You didn't. You tell me who looks worse for that.

[Blair]

...! This doesn't make sense for her to think as town

It's almost as if I was *gasp* viewing it from your perspective!

You know, like I very plainly was.

[Blair]

Note: If there is a Cop or Mason present, you know Dunnstral is lying.