Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Nauci]

Because 2166 makes you more confirmed confirmed-scum

[Dunnstral]

Go on...

[Nauci]

Nah. It's so clear as day that this is an excellent teaching moment for newbies. I hope Gibus is still reading!

[Dunnstral]

ok Nauci.

[Battle Mage]

I'm just glad all the newbies are dead and don't have to bear witness to this. I expect I'll be back in full force once the claims start coming in, or tomorrow after we no-lynch. I'm not inclined to risk throwing away the game today for no benefit without full claims - that is not pro-town. The rest of the posting at this stage is pretty much fluff and doesn't help town, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to herd cats. This should be a really easy town-win, and at least some people are making a total meal of it, perhaps to inflate their own scumhunting ego? It doesn't have to be this hard. BM out.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

It's 3 something AM

03:36 Am

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 3.03

Dunnstral (2)

- Blair(Freddietheladie), Nauci

Blair (1)

- Dunnstral (Lilith2013),

Not Voting (3) -

Aloratom (Votato) Tuxedo Mask, Battle Mage (Formerfish),

With 6 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-06-11 08:15:00)

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[Blair]

@Nauci I notoriously hate this Newbie setup (I say as much every time it comes up) and I very publicly fumbled the setup analysis in that game you referenced. (Although my Day 1 wagon analysis was 100% accurate!)

So yes, you really did just witness me assessing the setup and trying to suss out which sub-setup we're in. I'm actually pretty proud of the fact that I was able to identify it based off of one fake claim with no flipped PRs.

As for your point that Dunn would know (if he weren't lying scum) about the Jailkeeper due to receiving no result, I guess so but scum could have no killed so you don't technically know that in that scenario.

More importantly, I think it's worth mentioning here that A) I was not operating from the mindset of actually believing Dunnstral in the first place and B) Dunnstral didn't even use this super obvious explanation himself when responding to that very question.

[Blair]

I'm thrilled you're on board with lynching Dunnstral today though so I won't bicker with you too much about it.

[Blair]

My slot targeted Formerfish night 1 - Received no result

Important note: Dunnstral is claiming he was jailed N1.

Formerfish was probably his kill target. He carried out the kill, so he knows either himself or his target were jailed. He only has a 50% chance of getting this aspect of his claim confirmed by the Jailkeeper, however, because if Formerfish was jailed a Tracker would have still received a result on him.

[Tuxedo Mask]

My slot targeted Formerfish night 1 - Received no result

Important note: Dunnstral is claiming he was jailed N1.

Formerfish was probably his kill target. He carried out the kill, so he knows either himself or his target were jailed. He only has a 50% chance of getting this aspect of his claim confirmed by the Jailkeeper, however, because if Formerfish was jailed a Tracker would have still received a result on him.

Or Fish tried to preform the kill, and shared the no result with their partner. Who is that again?

[Blair]

He's claiming I visited Aloratom (whom he believes is the Jailkeeper) so that no matter who was jailed N2 it can't break his claim (because Roleblocker resolves first).

Dunnstral is relying pretty heavily on the argument that I am scum and know who the Jailkeeper is.

So scum!Blair or scum!Dunnstral has found the Jailkeeper.

Now ask yourself: Why isn't the Jailkeeper dead? Scum!Blair gains nothing from keeping the Jailkeeper alive. Scum!Dunnstral on the other hand, can keep the Jailkeeper alive in order to corroborate his fake claim ("Wow, I am the Jailkeeper and I target Dunnstral N1 - that explains why he got no result!")

If I'm scum then I know that not killing the Jailkeeper leaves me facing two town power roles today. Sure I could roleblock one of them continuously but that's still two named townies in endgame.

Dunnstral is arguing that scum know who the Jailkeeper is. He's probably right (he knows who the Jailkeeper is) but out of the two of us, he's the only one with a conceivable scum motive to leave them alive.

[Blair]

My slot targeted Formerfish night 1 - Received no result

Important note: Dunnstral is claiming he was jailed N1.

Formerfish was probably his kill target. He carried out the kill, so he knows either himself or his target were jailed. He only has a 50% chance of getting this aspect of his claim confirmed by the Jailkeeper, however, because if Formerfish was jailed a Tracker would have still received a result on him.

Or Fish tried to preform the kill, and shared the no result with their partner. Who is that again?

If the Jailkeeper jailed Fish N1, then Dunnstral is caught in a lie, since he is claiming his investigation of Formerfish failed that night.

[Tuxedo Mask]

My slot targeted Formerfish night 1 - Received no result

Important note: Dunnstral is claiming he was jailed N1.

Formerfish was probably his kill target. He carried out the kill, so he knows either himself or his target were jailed. He only has a 50% chance of getting this aspect of his claim confirmed by the Jailkeeper, however, because if Formerfish was jailed a Tracker would have still received a result on him.

Or Fish tried to preform the kill, and shared the no result with their partner. Who is that again?

If the Jailkeeper jailed Fish N1, then Dunnstral is caught in a lie, since he is claiming his investigation of Formerfish failed that night.

Wouldn't it?

[Tuxedo Mask]

OKAY!
(Please correct where I am wrong)
If I believe Dunnstral, he is a tracker and believes Votato is the Jailkeep. This is what he says went down this game.
So night 1, Lilith tracked Fish and Votato Jailkept them. Resulting with no night kill, and Lilith getting no result. So either fish was stopped from killing or was the target.

Night 2 Dunn tracked Blair who visited Alortom. Meaning that since Alortom isn't dead Blair must be the Jailkeeper (which they would have claimed) or must be the rolestopper.

Dunn if this is your claim, just say yes. If not correct me.

[Aloratom]

Everyone should click my link and post a comment on it in here. Kthxbai

Kittens and pandas. Oh my.

That's gotta be a raccoon.

[Blair]

My slot targeted Formerfish night 1 - Received no result

Important note: Dunnstral is claiming he was jailed N1.

Formerfish was probably his kill target. He carried out the kill, so he knows either himself or his target were jailed. He only has a 50% chance of getting this aspect of his claim confirmed by the Jailkeeper, however, because if Formerfish was jailed a Tracker would have still received a result on him.

Or Fish tried to preform the kill, and shared the no result with their partner. Who is that again?

If the Jailkeeper jailed Fish N1, then Dunnstral is caught in a lie, since he is claiming his investigation of Formerfish failed that night.

Wouldn't it?

Being jailed doesn't stop you from being investigated. If FormerFish was jailed and someone tracked him, the result would be "FormerFish did not visit anyone" not "You received no result."

[Blair]

The fact that you're misrepresenting that potential role interaction is making me scumread you a little bit.

Don't make me scumread you a little bit.

[Blair]

Aloratom, there's kind of a lot hinging on you telling us if scum!Dunnstral guessed your role and actions correctly.

Feel free to weigh in anytime.

[Blair]

(Ironically, if Dunn got it wrong and his fake claim is exposed, Nauci will just tunnel harder on this being a double bus)

[Tuxedo Mask]

If JK and Tracke target the same person they get no result.

[Blair]

If JK and Tracke target the same person they get no result.

Here is the role description for NewD3, https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=NewD3

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.[/url]

It protects from kills and prevents you from using your night action. That's it.

[Blair]

Wow, I BUTCHERED that link.

Per the wiki.

[Blair]

I also butchered the quote:

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

Let's just pretend that post never happened.

[Blair]

Point being, there is no reason to believe, based on the NewD3 Jailkeeper role pm, that the Jailkeeper commutes its target.