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[Raya36]

Honestly I glazed over the percentages. I don't really consider odds like that because mafia is not random. I really dislike math being used in mafia games like that unless it somehow takes into account the fact that we are not randomly selecting a player.

I am a mathy person. I just like to leave math out of mafia.

[Raya36]

This argument is pointless anyway because the basis of your argument is that I should be looking in the quiz group rather than the overall player list because you thought I was pushing people outside the quiz group. That's not the case. I'm scumhunting within the quiz group today.

[Dunnstral]

From Raya's pov if they are town it should actually be 3/11 and 1/4.

3/11 is still better odds than 1/4, though

I'm not arguing that? In the context of the discussion it just indicates to me that Raya isn't a mathy person, or agreed with me assuming I'm town.

What makes you think there's only 1 scum in the quiz group?

[springlullaby]

From Raya's pov if they are town it should actually be 3/11 and 1/4.

3/11 is still better odds than 1/4, though

I'm not arguing that? In the context of the discussion it just indicates to me that Raya isn't a mathy person, or agreed with me assuming I'm town.

What makes you think there's only 1 scum in the quiz group?

I don't "think", in the sense of "know" there is a single scum on the quiz team.
It's simply the number that gives the lowest accuracy rate in evaluating the quiz team for scum potential, given failure of the quiz, and no tampering.
It is therefore the number I retained to compare scum-hunting withing the qt vs within the full game.

Back to PB, how do you propose scum on the qt would have influenced her answer?

[Raya36]

I think Spring just TMIed...

Then that immediate change of topic at the end was bad.

[Dunnstral]

Back to PB, how do you propose scum on the qt would have influenced her a

If PB is scum they'd have probably been told about it, after which they'd act like they weren't told about it - which isn't very hard, for this topic.

[springlullaby]

I think Spring just TMIed...

Then that immediate change of topic at the end was bad.

Please propose a way of evaluating whether it is better to scumhunt within the scum group vs scumhunting within the full town.

In other words, please state why you think it is better to scumhunt within the qt pool.

[springlullaby]

Back to PB, how do you propose scum on the qt would have influenced her a

If PB is scum they'd have probably been told about it, after which they'd act like they weren't told about it - which isn't very hard, for this topic.

Yes, but it doesn't change the nature of PB's answer.

[Dunnstral]

Back to PB, how do you propose scum on the qt would have influenced her a

If PB is scum they'd have probably been told about it, after which they'd act like they weren't told about it - which isn't very hard, for this topic.

Yes, but it doesn't change the nature of PB's answer.

True, and for me their answer is neutral and I don't see them differently

[Albert B. Rampage]

You must take me on the quiz team.

since all the scum dont want me to go

This doesn't even make sense; even if you're town and on the quiz team, someone else can fail it, so why would scum specifically care about you getting on the quiz team?

I'm bored. Make something happen quickly

[Raya36]

I think Spring just TMIed...

Then that immediate change of topic at the end was bad.

Please propose a way of evaluating whether it is better to scumhunt within the scum group vs scumhunting within the full town.

In other words, please state why you think it is better to scumhunt within the qt pool.

It's not necessarily better but I think it's the best way to use PoE to solve. We can be almost certain there is at least 1 scum within the quiz, unless it is true that scum tampered with it.

Anyway, I prefer logic over math in Mafia. And I am a math oriented person (although I do suck at stats which is what mafia would need if we were to use math).

[springlullaby]

True, and for me their answer is neutral and I don't see them differently

Imagine PB is not in a neighborood. Would you say their answer is neutral or not?

[Dunnstral]

True, and for me their answer is neutral and I don't see them differently

Imagine PB is not in a neighborood. Would you say their answer is neutral or not?

Yes; neutral response to me

[Dunnstral]

You must take me on the quiz team.

since all the scum dont want me to go

This doesn't even make sense; even if you're town and on the quiz team, someone else can fail it, so why would scum specifically care about you getting on the quiz team?

I'm bored. Make something happen quickly

Waves hands

There you go, Unwnd will pass the chain or propose a quiz in his next post

[beeboy]

I still firmly believe that scum can tamper with the group.
An all town group occurs 20% of the time day 1 and scum just concedes to that. Feels like awful game design.
I think we had an all town group and scum missed their shot tbh.

[beeboy]

idk... the odds of getting a group to pass is low. But I also think MariaR would account for the fact that successful groups easily chain back to back.
And their is no rational explanation for the kill not going through without the group being tampered with.

Outside I guess just scum not reading???

[beeboy]

But scum have to see thread updates since to look at their own PT they have to go through their ISO, bookmarks or something that shows updates on threads they are following.
IDK I just can't see the world where scum dont have a tampering role.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You must take me on the quiz team.

since all the scum dont want me to go

This doesn't even make sense; even if you're town and on the quiz team, someone else can fail it, so why would scum specifically care about you getting on the quiz team?

I'm bored. Make something happen quickly

Waves hands

There you go, Unwnd will pass the chain or propose a quiz in his next post

No the quiz should not be proposed until the chain is halfway done

[farside22]

Someone doesn't want to discuss anything other them them being safe or getting the chain.......i think it starts with a player named albert....last name scum

[beeboy]

Someone doesn't want to discuss anything other them them being safe or getting the chain.......i think it starts with a player named albert....last name scum

The funny part is it's fooling half the player base.

[springlullaby]

I think Spring just TMIed...

Then that immediate change of topic at the end was bad.

Please propose a way of evaluating whether it is better to scumhunt within the scum group vs scumhunting within the full town.

In other words, please state why you think it is better to scumhunt within the qt pool.

It's not necessarily better but I think it's the best way to use PoE to solve. We can be almost certain there is at least 1 scum within the quiz, unless it is true that scum tampered with it.

Anyway, I prefer logic over math in Mafia. And I am a math oriented person (although I do suck at stats which is what mafia would need if we were to use math).

So to summarize:

A. You don't think scumhunting within the qt pool is better.
B. Yet you state that you are scumhunting in the qt pool.
C. When I ask you on what basis you are making that choice, you can't say why.
D. And accuse me of TMI?

[springlullaby]

True, and for me their answer is neutral and I don't see them differently

Imagine PB is not in a neighborood. Would you say their answer is neutral or not?

Yes; neutral response to me

I have an issue with that, because if you received a town PM, you'd know why confirming before reading the ruleset is incompatible with someone posting "clap" in thread.

I confirmed before reading the ruleset, the mod asked me to read the ruleset.

[Raya36]

I still firmly believe that scum can tamper with the group.
An all town group occurs 20% of the time day 1 and scum just concedes to that. Feels like awful game design.
I think we had an all town group and scum missed their shot tbh.

So you 100% think scum tampered with the quiz and we had all town? So that would mean me, Dunn, Spring, SB, and farside are all town and scum are within the remaining players. If you were to consider scum within the quiz who would you think is scum?

[Raya36]

idk... the odds of getting a group to pass is low. But I also think MariaR would account for the fact that successful groups easily chain back to back.
And their is no rational explanation for the kill not going through without the group being tampered with.

Outside I guess just scum not reading???

This is a good point. If scum was tampering then it would likely have been a 1 shot ability or there would be no chance for town to ever pass the quiz.

[Raya36]

With the above in mind why don't we make the quiz the exact same 5 people? Then if the quiz passes we know everyone on it is town. If it fails again then we know it's extremely unlikely that the problem was scum tampering and we actually do have scum in the quiz. Making a whole new quiz team likely lands scum in the quiz anyway. I think this is the best strategy from a solving standpoint