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Vote Count 4.1

Dunnstral

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, votato

CantLynchAPuppy

(1): Dunnstral

Not Voting

(4): ready2rock, mavsfan41, hellbooks, VP Baltar

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-06-14 03:20:00)

[ready2rock]

@Dunn: Are puppy and votato still your top scumreads right now? If so, can you give a more descriptive case on either of them? If not, who are your reads right now?

[ready2rock]

Also as a follow-up to that, I'm skeptical of a puppy/votato scumteam, given how puppy was pressing votato yesterday and how aggressive they're both being today, so if you or anyone else who disagrees has a case for that I'd love to hear it

[Dunnstral]

Eh. I think there's 1 scum in the pair for sure, but I'm not certain that they're partners. Puppy looks worse from the way he's twisting and shading at everything I post to try to drive a lynch on me through. I don't see how he can be a towny at this point.

[Dunnstral]

Maybe quick was onto something when he said it was one of Votato/Vp Baltar

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm pretty sure quick would have come into today voting puppy

There's my night kill analysis

[mavsfan41]

Also I'm pretty sure quick would have come into today voting puppy

There's my night kill analysis

I strongly disagree. Quick’s few Puppy votes were decoys if anything and he was heavily resistant in voting Puppy. If anything, he would’ve voted you over Puppy.

[votato]

i feel like we kinda have to lynch dunn today in the end

[Dunnstral]

Why do we 'have' to do that votato?

[votato]

We can't let you go unpunished for lolhammers. We also get at least as much info from your lynch as from Puppy's

[Dunnstral]

What info do you get from my lynch?

[Dunnstral]

So do you want to 'punish' me, or do you want to play mafia and try to find the scum? because puppy is the scum

[votato]

for one thing i doubt both you and puppy are scum.

[VP Baltar]

VP Baltar seems to me to be setting up to lay down a Dunn vote but wants to be more careful about it plus it feels like he's letting the quick hammer argument (which I don't find compelling at all) completely redirect him from his gameview yesterday which seemed to be that me and midway were the scummiest people (and now there's not a mention of me) + has not really posted anything to escape my POE pool for a full day phase

Dunn+hellbrooks is a very real possibility. Putting it out there now.

the fact that you're just now realizing that makes me think theyre both town and that you're the real scum. but maybe i should stop being paranoid.

What are you talking about that I'm just realizing it now? I was pushing hellbrooks yesterday and talking about Puppy's case as well. Dunn's hammer performance was basically a dead giveaway, so what I'm saying isn't some new realization.

I had a whole post written up about this but didn’t want to sound LAMIST (what up VP?). I’m actually kind of offended I wasn’t the NK and how the most anti-town person was... does that mean I’m more anti-town than Quick? Is that why they were like “mavsfan41, pft, please, dude’s all over the place.” WIFOM: left me alive cause scum!Puppy figures killing me would heavily implicate him or scum!someone else left me alive knowing I had some Puppy blood lust and I am anti-town and my reads are all wrong. Could be either, idk.

Tbh, at this point I’m sorta second guessing everyone. R2R has been probably the most confirmed town for awhile, dude is still alive. VP/Quick emerged as the pseudo town leaders in day 3. Puppy is either scum or mislynch fodder. Dunn is similar to R2R but less confirmed with the Quick hammer. I’d ask if Dunn delivered a quick hammer under the protection of an assumed townie, but assumed townie didn’t happen till day 2 after Gamma flipped scum. The NPOM was before that, so yes, Dunn had a history prior.

Anyway, Idk how y’all feel, but I’m a-okay have a PR come out if they believe they had a guilty at this point rather than push someone trying to keep their role on the DL. As far as I’m concerned, I’ll like vote Puppy/Dunn and see what happens after a flip....

Not the world's biggest fan of this suspicion everywhere approach. I think as town, we need to really start focusing and closing doors here. I still don't think we're in a slam dunk position in this game, and hitting scum today is a top priority. If we can do that, we'll be on easy street I think.

Out of curiosity, did you try to fruit anyone last night or did you just ditch it because it's pointless?

And yes, if anyone has any information that helps out scum, let's hear it.

Maybe this is just my votato tunnel again, but I'm a little concerned that he's so easily switched to Dunn. Then again he had started switching yesterday.and I don't think scum would have wanted another lunch besides the midway that was lined up.

I actually had the same concern. He was super fast to get on that wagon (to the point where I've basically had to hold a vote because I don't want a self-hammer from scum!Dunn). I also find the fact that he above tried to inject the possibility of Dunn town/VP scum highly concerning. There's not really logic behind that thinking.

It sounds like you know the case and have one yourself

The Gamma vote is null imo. Scum could not have known that early Blair case was going to conclude in a claim and a guilty. Scum could sheep Blair knowing they'd get to move that vote later, not knowing th e phase would get cut short

This is essentially the position I've arrived at as well after some thinking over the night phase. It's very possible a scum!Dunn was locked into a vote with no clear exit ramp. The tide on Gamma turned quickly. I know i called being on that wagon extraordinarily dumb if you were scum...but maybe that is just my bias as to what I would have done in that situation if I was scum. Everyone has their own playstyle. Still seems like a suboptimal scum play to roll over that fast, but to each their own (and if it helps me win my first game back, even better!)

We can't let you go unpunished for lolhammers. We also get at least as much info from your lynch as from Puppy's

I have to say, this latest "fight" between votato and Dunn feels very performative. First, are people seriously talking about killing puppy today? I don't think so. Second, I don't think the Dunn lynch has anything to do with gaining information. This smacks of distancing for me if the team is votato/Dunn.

So basically, there is a common Dunn-ominator with a hellbrooks/votato partner.

If my hypothesis is true, this game is pretty much a wrap.

[CantHateAPuppy]

VP, I think you're being scumread because you've been vaguely townread all game, not by everyone but by enough that people wonder subconsciously why you are still alive if you're not in anyone POE

No one has much of a case on you so you get slotted into wifom conspiracies

I kind of had some wifom thoughts like that but I decided to trust my gut and my VCA and not overthink it when I've got way bigger scumreads

Just my 2 cents, I don't think theres much to be gained by entertaining it at this stage

If Dunn is town I could see votato/VP but otherwise I'm not going down that rabbit hole

[votato]

VP gets to be town for now, even if that post was a steaming pile of shi - shih tzus

[VP Baltar]

VP, I think you're being scumread because you've been vaguely townread all game, not by everyone but by enough that people wonder subconsciously why you are still alive if you're not in anyone POE

I feel like I could say the same about you

Honestly, though, one thing I've learned over my many years of playing this game is that a winning scum game is very much about controlling how many possibilities open. The more possibilities become limited, the harder it is for scum to win. So when I see posts later game that are trying to WIFOM, it's a big red flag for me.

[mavsfan41]

@VP: I did tag someone last night. You don’t need a detective to figure out who that was judging by my day 3 actions.

[votato]

i got fruit btw, so i guess that makes me confirmed town

[votato]

Spoiler:

i didnt really tho

[hellbooks]

I had a whole post written up about this but didn’t want to sound LAMIST (what up VP?)

i think you're like locked in as town for me at this point

dunn

does

seem to be playing very reactive right now

We can't let you go unpunished for lolhammers. We also get at least as much info from your lynch as from Puppy's

bad but also feels like a towny thing to say. in fact votato is becoming like a top townread

What are you talking about that I'm just realizing it now? I was pushing hellbrooks yesterday and talking about Puppy's case as well. Dunn's hammer performance was basically a dead giveaway, so what I'm saying isn't some new realization.

in a sort of reversal of the argument here: you seem almost too comfortable with your solve

Not the world's biggest fan of this suspicion everywhere approach. I think as town, we need to really start focusing and closing doors here. I still don't think we're in a slam dunk position in this game, and hitting scum today is a top priority. If we can do that, we'll be on easy street I think.

you're right about closing doors though. which is kind of consistent with your sticking to the same solve.

I actually had the same concern. He was super fast to get on that wagon (to the point where I've basically had to hold a vote because I don't want a self-hammer from scum!Dunn). I also find the fact that he above tried to inject the possibility of Dunn town/VP scum highly concerning. There's not really logic behind that thinking.

feels weird that you are saying you're holding your vote to prevent Dunn from self-hammering? Like it's like you're blaming for someone for being on the wagon while also nominally being on the wagon (only withholding your vote for a mechanical reason and not due to lack of conviction). That seems like a weird contingency thing but maybe I've just not really seen scum do that too often.

I feel like I could say the same about you

but you like can't though.

[hellbooks]

I'll go through dunn and gamma's isos tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

^ tl;dr version -- "hi, I'm scum and I don't like people pointing that out. I'll make a drawn out process of arriving at Dunn scum soon!"

[VP Baltar]

Here is a good question: why would town!hellbrooks not have looked at Dunn over night? Seems like a topic most people came prepped to discuss today.

[VP Baltar]

Further, puppy already did that work yesterday...