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[farside22]

I wouldn't call trolling with shit reads and no reasoning other then to be as ass to people as vulnerable.
But i asked, so i could see if it made sense to me.
If this is normal tse play style I will just make sure to put him on a list of players i never want to play with again.

[MariaR]

Titus replaces ABR give her a warm welcome!

[beeboy]

I wouldn't call trolling with shit reads and no reasoning other then to be as ass to people as vulnerable.

Feels like an incredibly shitty way to win a game.

Titus replaces ABR give her a warm welcome!

Hey Titus long time o/

[farside22]

I wouldn't call trolling with shit reads and no reasoning other then to be as ass to people as vulnerable.

Feels like an incredibly shitty way to win a game.

Titus replaces ABR give her a warm welcome!

Hey Titus long time o/

Seen scum do it before.

Hey titus.

[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

[Starbuck]

Okay, midway, your turn! Same thing, going through your ISO like I did with ND's to see if I can get a better read. Questions/observations below, if you would be so kind to answer.

i wonder where spring is at. But I guess it doesn't really matter because we won't be passing the chain until we're (semi)confident.

This is kind of a weird statement to make barely 3 pages and 12 hours into game. Only because the game thread was opened on the overnight at like 10:30 pm (my time) on the 26th and this posted just about 12 hours later in the middle of a weekday (or work day for most). I don't see anything inherently bad with the wondering where spring was, it's more the addendum afterwards for me. Either you were actually concerned or you were trying to distance early. I'm not sure which yet.

It will be important to have players that are strongly town read to take the quiz but don't fail at quizes.

wdym mean by the "don't fail at quizzes part". Are you suggesting putting in scumread members to see if the quiz ends up passing or failing? This might not be good because some scum are really good at being townread.

Your reaction to farside here is highly questionable. She clearly wasn't saying to put scum-read players on the quiz. What was it that confused you with her statement?

bruh, I need to work on getting townread easier. Why TR TSE? His posting has been weird and I don't think the images are particularly towny.

At this point, what about TSE's posting was weird and why weren't his images townie? What do you think about TSE now?

@midwaybear
Do you have any reads?

I think beeboy and Starbuck could both be town. The disagreement just may be in the way they play the game and not because one's actions were scum motivated.

I read beeboy as town, and I feel like that interaction with Starbuck could be TvT yes. So I townread both of them.
I'm not really confident in anyone right now, so I'm not sure who I would hand the chain to. I would probably give it to NDMath or Starbuck because Starbuck seems pretty genuine and NDMath feels townie.

Have your reads from these posts changed? If so, why?

I'm a bit wary of TSE and unwnd, but I'm not confident in anything yet.

What made you wary of TSE and Unwnd?

In post 244, beeboy wrote:
Math, Spring and unwnd are all players I think need to provide more content or they are just going to get crushed by the POE as this game progresses and I prefer to mislynch/catch scum do to me playing well not them conceding for no good reason.

It sounds like you are saying if people don't give content/post, you are going to push for their lynch. Not sure I really like that.

This, like your statement to farside, is another complete misunderstanding of the statement you responded to. Two times don't make a pattern, so we'll see how things go as I read on.

In post 365, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Well if this isn’t a vanilla only game I wouldn’t be to mad if I get lynched here as I’m a good Lynch role wise.

??? Does this quote make sense to anyone? If you aren't vanilla, then you should know that this isn't vanilla only. Am I going crazy?

@spring
I might pass it to unwnd because I think TSE is scum
Would not pass to TSE

This is a weird push at TSE. How did you go from "his posting is weird" to "TSE is scum"?


Interesting, so spring posts her quiz team and this is your exchange with her:

why farside and starbuck?

Why not?

whatever

Couple questions here:

1. What was it about farside and I being on the quiz team that made you ask in the first place?
2. Why did you stop pushing the question?
3. Why did you turn around and approve the team without getting adequate answers to your questions here?

A bit further after this, you start mimicking Albert's consistent "PASS THE CHAIN" rhetoric, which doesn't really look all that great.

@ABR I already voted yes, so I think it's locked in sorry

Why did you apologize to ABR for voting to approve the quiz team?

pedit: ABR scum tries to coach his scumbuddy in the thread? That's sorta implausible no offense

I don't think this is a great response, especially now seeing how much you were mimicking ABR just prior to this.


This is going to be a multi-parter for ease of reading. Continue on into my next post.

[farside22]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

[Pink Ball]

PB is in meh pile and not town anymore because his reaction test yesterday felt fake and I feel like he is falling back into the background while the chaos unloads on the town.

I'm falling back into the background because of spring, sorry

[Pink Ball]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Fuck yes

[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

[farside22]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

[beeboy]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

I wouldn't read an 80 page game either,

especially with a scum role pm

.

The controversial slot of the day is midwaybear so if you read anyone's ISO it should be his.

[Starbuck]

midway - Part 2, Electric Boogaloo.

Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

So why post this and not pass to me?

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

So then all of a sudden, after town reading me up until 7 posts before this, I'm all of a sudden giving you doubts. It's also concerning that you haven't mentioned Dunn, at all, until this point in the game. Nor anything in regards to farside.

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I was one of the only people that you were stating as town until you suddenly changed your tune right before the chain.

You had mentioned TSE and Unwnd as possible scumreads, but then you backtrack here saying they give you doubts but "not in the sense of scumread." So which is it? And what's with the flip flopping?

Why do you think there's 2 scum in the 4 of us?

TSE got townier after a reread, so I wasn't so sure about unwnd. Dunn was a safe choice(IMO), so I went with him. Not sure why ABR scumreads Dunn.

What was it about TSE that made him "townier?"

I'm assuming you're saying that "Dunn was a safe choice" because he was on the quiz team, but so was I. So what would have been the difference between giving it to Dunn or giving it to me?

eh I don't think farside is really townie or scummy so far tbh. Don't see why the NK post should change that.

And here you are flip flopping again on farside

i didn't really TR anyone else besides you, Cakez, and beeboy. Apparently we are saving Cakez(and beeboy now) to be on the end of the chain so I gave it to you. Pink Ball and ND are sorta swingy reads, but they are more townie than TSE, unwnd, farside, starbuck to me.

This is in response to Unwnd, but again, you are flip flopping all over the place seemingly to placate whoever you are speaking to at the moment.

'Cause I'm being townread right now. You can't push me today, you can't scumread me 'cause it will lead to nothing. And you can't townread me either, 'cause if you do, your future case on me is not as good as it would be if you just leave me at null. That's what I think you're doing.

I don't really like how this sounds. I for one do not really townread you, and I get the feel that the people who have townread you didn't really put much thought into it. The next two sentences are also pretty bad...

Who had a townread on PB that didn't put much thought into it? What made you feel that way?

Do we really want spring to be leader? But on the other hand, can't scum always just NK the nominated chain leader so technically spring could always be leader. That would sorta be broken because if spring was scum, she would be untouchable.

It's really hard for me to believe that this idea came solely from you.

I said I was thinking about giving her the chain, but I decided not to because didn't like the defensive nature of her early posts.

When was this a thing? Because I'm reading you in ISO and you never said that.

sircakez tone really feels like a resigned townie
and how are we supposed to use unwnd's role in our favor? I still don't trust him
pedit: lynch unwnd

no
i think we should still keep cakez(sorry unwnd)

This push to lynch a potential town PR is scummy AF.

End of Day 1. Sorry guys, this is longer than I thought, but I'm glad I'm doing it because midway just went from my null pile to my SUPER OMG SCUM pile. Probably above spring.

[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

If I have a funeral, it's because I subbed into an anti-town slot and lack an obvtown gene.

[Raya36]

If I ever claim to do something like that, know with certainty that I'm scum.

I meant due to inactivity but that's good to know

[springlullaby]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

Lol, scum.

[Starbuck]

midway - Part 3, ....the road goes ever on and on.....

I wanted to say that ABR is the scummiest player, but his anger feels genuine and I agree that we definitely did not use the mechanics in our favor yesterday. I agree with ND that we should decide the quiz team after not before passing the chain. ABR is still on my radar of suspicion though.

Absolutely nothing. Nada. Not a god damn thing about ABR during ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF Day 1 and all of a sudden he's "the scummiest player" and then an added sentence of how ABR is still on your "radar of suspicion," even though you just said that he's the scummiest player. Which is it?

Also, the whole thing about deciding the quiz team after passing the chain, not before, which is weird to me because passing the chain is effectively the lynch. So if we pass the chain and don't have the quiz team sorted, we screw ourselves. So how is that in any way beneficial to the town?

unwnd is safely conf town though.

After all of what you said in regards to unwnd yesterday, all of a sudden, he's conftown?

I have a TR on her, and the quiz failing doesn't exactly point to her being scum.

This statement is odd because it feels like you're saying that you know that the quiz didn't fail due to Raya's actions and maybe you know why it did.

I explained my TR on Raya and unwnd is conf town.

Umm, no. You haven't. You haven't explained a dang thing throughout this entire game.

But I chose Unwnd since I think he's town and we would gain a lot more info from him than we would giving it to Beeboy who was the alternative option.

What do you mean by this? Was his reaction EOD not enough to convince you he’s town?

Anyways, Raya is making me reconsider, so the only person I’m comfortable “recycling” would be farside. Remaining 3 can be me, unwnd, ND.

And here you are just a little later, flip flopping from your town read on Raya. You do know that your TRs can say things that you disagree with and still be town, right?

@Raya We’re not going with the same group because then we’re going to fail again. Sure there might be a tamperer, but it’s still too risky

Why are you saying "we're going to fail again" like it's a sure thing?

Ok, we’re deciding the quiz EOD anyways, so whoever really stands out as townie can get the last spot.

Again, why were you stating this like it was a sure thing?

NDmath is asking for a failed attempt.

Stop scumreading him due to inactivity.

This is quite the jump. beeboy has legitimate concerns about the quiz failing because a possible town NDMath doesn't submit. I also share those concerns. To jump to say he's scumreading ND for that is such a strange overreaction.

Okay, so that's the end of that.

[Titus]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

Lol, scum.

Nah, not based on that anyway.

[Raya36]

I think TSE is town but his reads are probably WAY off. I'm not seeing scum starbuck and I don't understand why he's making entire plans around her scum flip.

Also please nobody pass the chain to TSE. I don't care if it means he has to be in the final two. Midway is just not town and if he gets the chain he's clearly passing it to them.

Where does the midday is not town thing comes from?

Why are you not seeing scum Starbuck: toxic, pattern of posting consist of coming in thread only to throw abusive remarks anytime they are pushed and say plainly OMGUS remark such as "what's your plan if I flip town".
Coming from a newer player, maybe i'd call it lack of perspective, but she's been around, it's done on purpose.
--> There are a number of player who use toxicity as a way to appear town to people, she is one.

It's always wifom to guess at people replacing out, but ABR replacing out when the full town is scumreading him is not very fairplay, so I would say that he'd have taken the loss. But I prefer to flip it to be sure.

I've scumread midway basically from the start of the game.. I made a read list at the start of D2. It explains Midway and Starbuck. I disagree that starbuck is being toxic.

My guess for ABR now is that he was genuinely bored with the setup and frustrated at being scumread (making it even harder to play) so he replaced out. But like you said WIFOM.

[Starbuck]

So after that delightful read through, I am very glad that Unwnd has left midway off of the quiz team and wholeheartedly believe he should not be receiving the chain today.

[Raya36]

Hey Spring, I asked for a read list from you a while back. Can I get one now?

[springlullaby]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

Lol, scum.

Nah, not based on that anyway.

Yes, based on that. It's elementary school level trashtalk, and she's been doing it for pages. She's not that petty.

[Titus]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

Lol, scum.

Nah, not based on that anyway.

Yes, based on that. It's elementary school level trashtalk, and she's been doing it for pages. She's not that petty.

Trash talk is NAI. Petty I'll give you.

[Titus]

Hey Spring, I asked for a read list from you a while back. Can I get one now?

Lean town.

[Starbuck]

I haven't been trash-talking, though. I've brought up legit reasons why spring's tunneling on insignificant details makes no sense and she defends herself saying that I'm using ad hom against her instead of having a conversation. Have I gotten catty, sure? But not at the level that she keeps screaming about toxicity.